RICARIZA
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Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:02 am

Today an economic newspaper in Colombia has an article about the plans of Air Canada to expand to the Coffee Region in Colombia (where three important intermediate cities are located).

For the Spanish speakers:
http://www.portafolio.com.co/port_se...B-NOTA_INTERIOR_PORTA-2600093.html


For the English speakers: (Translated by WorldLingo.com)

The Canadian airline initiated conversations with government authorities of the Coffee region, Cartagena and Bogota, with the purpose of stimulating the Canadian tourism to these destinations.
It was announced by the director of Air Canada for Colombia, Yasmin Sabbag, who explained that the high flow of passengers between both countries forced the company to change the aircraft to take care of the demand. Initially, the change of aircraft, a Boeing 767-300 was going to operate until mid February, but the headquarters extended this operation until March of the 2006.
The increase in the operation obeys to the existence of a high number of Canadian tourists who wish to take their vacations in the Coffee region, zone that is very being promoted in Canada; also Cartagena and Bogota. With the change of aircraft, 8 tons of cargo could be mobilized.


So is this code shared with AV? How does this work?
I went to the coffee region for vacations last year and it was extremely pleasant and fun, I completely understand the increase of demand in Canada for these destinations.

[Edited 2005-11-08 19:13:42]
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:49 am

As far as I know, the AC flights are codeshared with AV and I think I was reading that AV wants eventually to start flights to Canada themselves, once they have more aircraft available.
It is good to see that people from other counties are traveling to Colombia and I do feel happy for the Colombians and it's economy. Growing economy means more business, equal more jobs, equal better live. Good to see, hopefully it goes on and other destinations and airlines will follow.

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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:51 am

Great to see.

I know they are doing well on their YYZ BOG flights and upguaged to a 763 over winter. Maybe they will increase frequecny too?

I hear a rumour, with a somewhat decent source, that AC might go daily YYZ-CCS-BOG operating either an A319 or even a 763 if there are a/c available. Perhaps they could get rights on the CCS BOG section (like they do SCL EZE).
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 2):
Perhaps they could get rights on the CCS BOG section (like they do SCL EZE).

Would be great to see AC with a 763 in CCS daily !
But I doubt traffic rights between CCS and BOG would make sense for them. If they operate a triangle YYZ-CCS-BOG-YYZ then they could only offer oneways...
The only point would be cargo. But then they should better operate YYZ-BOG-CCS-YYZ !
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:41 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 3):
If they operate a triangle YYZ-CCS-BOG-YYZ then they could only offer oneways...

they could serve 4 weekly triangle yyz-bog-ccs-yyz and 3 weekly triangle yyz-ccs-bog-yyz. first with the 767-300 than upgrade to the A330-300 and than split the flights again yyz-ccs-yyz and yyz-bog-yyz and operate them daily with the B767-300  Wink oh yes I am dreaming
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 1):
It is good to see that people from other counties are traveling to Colombia and I do feel happy for the Colombians and it's economy.

Thanks. Yes, this part of the country is now days, the third tourist destination in Colombia because it has many great things to see and do:



The Coffee Park (with all the process of Coffee growing, toasting and brewing), rides, restaurants, museum, etc.

Many awesome rivers for rafting and kayaking and other water sports, enjoy the different towns with its awesome architecture and truly the friendliest people I have ever met.
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:54 am

Ya I should have clarified the rumour I heard was not a triangle but in fact a YYZ CCS BOG CCS YYZ routing.

Might work if they had CCS BOG rights. On the other hand it would remove the benefit of the non stop YYZ-BOG-YYZ service. I assume part of what AC is building the route for is connecting traffic on to Europe and maybe Asia through YYZ--especially with many pax wanting to avoid US. Maybe a 1 stop via CCS would make the flight a little too long to be attarctive for the BOG YYZ market. On the other hand, the only other alternative would still be to connect.

All interesting stuff.
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:58 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 6):
Maybe a 1 stop via CCS would make the flight a little too long to be attarctive for the BOG YYZ market. On the other hand, the only other alternative would still be to connect.

would be intresting to see the results...

AC seems very intrested in the connecing market because the are offering very good fares from Colombia to Europe and Europe to Colombia.

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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:58 am

Indeed many Canadians visiting Manizales and Quindío. Very good to see that AC wants to expand, but they cant add more than 3 frecuencies until AV starts flights to Canada, then, they wont even be able to fly daily, but 4x weekly. the only thing they can do is fly a 767 on the route to grow capacity.
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:39 am

or code share with AV. Maybe go daily with 4x weekly Ac and 3x weekly AV, and offer connections on to Europe.
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 9):
or code share with AV. Maybe go daily with 4x weekly Ac and 3x weekly AV, and offer connections on to Europe

isnt Avianca already code-share on the AC flights (or at least has the plans to do it?) I think they have the exaclty plans 4 x AC and 3 x AV flights...

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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada�s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):

they could serve 4 weekly triangle yyz-bog-ccs-yyz and 3 weekly triangle yyz-ccs-bog-yyz. first with the 767-300 than upgrade to the A330-300 and than split the flights again yyz-ccs-yyz and yyz-bog-yyz and operate them daily with the B767-300 Wink oh yes I am dreaming

I thought we wanted to get drunk tomorrow.....

Quoting CayMan (Reply 9):
or code share with AV. Maybe go daily with 4x weekly Ac and 3x weekly AV, and offer connections on to Europe.

If AC codeshares with AV they can fly a daily nonstop YYZ-BOG-YYZ and use AV connections to CCS. For the passengers that doesn't make a big difference. If POS or BOG..... They loose the CCS-YYZ nonstop, but they can sell a daily flight via BOG.
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11):
I thought we wanted to get drunk tomorrow.....

we will, dont worry...  bouncy   drunk 

[Edited 2005-11-09 00:02:25]
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:02 am

My question remains: Who's taking these customers from BOG to MZL for example.

I just called AC to make a reservation from Montreal to MZL and they told me that I will fly to BOG with them but in BOG I am on my way. They suggested me AV to go to MZL but they said that they don't have a code share.

Any information about this?
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada�s Plans

Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:10 am

Maybe canadian tour operators have special fares on a colombian carrier to connect with AC iin BOG.
It must not be the airline itself selling the seats.
There might be colombian incoming agents selling packages to the canadian operators including the domestic flights.
Maybe we can find out checking some canadian tour operator sites.
 
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 14):
Maybe canadian tour operators have special fares on a colombian carrier to connect with AC iin BOG

Good point, it has to be something like that.
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RE: Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans

Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
isnt Avianca already code-share on the AC flights (or at least has the plans to do it?) I think they have the exaclty plans 4 x AC and 3 x AV flights...

Indeed, and its not the plan, it what the bilateral allows for. No more AV no more AC than that. AV 3x, AC 4x.

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