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Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:46 pm

The evening news reported that a Mesaba Bae146 traveling from MEM to ORD was brought back to the gate and BOTH flight attendants removed from the aircraft for fighting. Interviews with the passengers said the incident started with a passenger that had bad that would not fit in the overhead. The pax with the bag said one f/a was assisting him when the other f/a intervened and the two f/a's exchanged nasty comments. This was said to occur during taxi out. The Captain then made an announcement that the flight was returning to the gate. All pax deboarded and two hours after scheduled dept. they were re-crewed with new F/A's. News said Mesaba was investigating incident.

Anyone with more info?
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:12 pm

See what happens when the insurance costs for prescriptions go up and flight attendants can no longer pay for their Bi-Polar Medications?


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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:32 pm

Wow, it's hilarious! Here's the article! It was on one of their AVRO's. Mesaba had an employee conferance call yesterday also, announcing pay cuts.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_312230651.html
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:38 pm

""All passengers on the full aircraft were told to evacuate the plane and re-board later. ""

Evacuate? Evacuate for fighting flight attendants? Pretty funny . . .

"“It seemed like a lot of fuss over nothing,” said Chip Romine, talking about the argument two Mesaba flight attendants had over his bag. “We were trying to put my bag in the overhead, and it was too big. One young lady came up and was trying to help me get it up, and the other lady came up and grabbed it and said, ‘I’ll take care of that.’”"

Anyone thinking PMS here?
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:43 pm

Quote:
One young lady came up and was trying to help me get it up

hehehehe
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:44 pm

Nice DavidJ.......................
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:12 pm

What, FA's can't use the "security risk" card on each other??? Had that been a PAX he'd have been escorted off to jail.
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting DavidJ (Reply 4):
One young lady came up and was trying to help me get it up



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
and the other lady came up and grabbed it

woohoo - his lucky day

sorry, just could resist

Tod
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:25 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 7):
One young lady came up and was trying to help me get it up



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
and the other lady came up and grabbed it

woohoo - his lucky day

sorry, just could resist

Tod

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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 2):
Wow, it's hilarious! Here's the article! It was on one of their AVRO's. Mesaba had an employee conferance call yesterday also, announcing pay cuts.

Well since thats all it could have been since XJ's other aircraft other then the avro have only one FA  Wink
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:46 am

Years ago I was on a flight (can't remember the airline) but I remember that the cabin crew made an announcement that their contract prevented them from lifting bags for passengers. Are there airlines with this clause in their FAs contracts? Does Mesaba have a clause like this? If so, is this what they could be fighting over, especially since it was a large bag?
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:04 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 7):
Quoting DavidJ (Reply 4):
One young lady came up and was trying to help me get it up

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
and the other lady came up and grabbed it

Plus:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
and it was too big

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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:07 am

There is no clause in our contracts about not lifting bags. It is about no insurance coverage. If we get hurt by lifting a passengers bag it is not considered part of our job description, therefore we cannot get paid for a on the job injury. That is why most FA's are reluctant to assist with bags going in the overhead bins. You just never know how much someone's bag weighs. Cheers.
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting IAHCREW (Reply 12):
There is no clause in our contracts about not lifting bags. It is about no insurance coverage. If we get hurt by lifting a passengers bag it is not considered part of our job description, therefore we cannot get paid for a on the job injury. That is why most FA's are reluctant to assist with bags going in the overhead bins. You just never know how much someone's bag weighs. Cheers.

I had a feeling that had to be it. Does Mesaba have the "Ala Cart" service where you leave oversized bags at the door and pick them up from a cart at the destination?

With the paycuts, bankruptcy of their parent, and other fun stuff going on, it's a wonder this hasn't happened more often.  Sad

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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:30 am

How sad.

I was on a FL flight TYS-ATL in 2000 where two FA's obviously got into some kind of an argument before the flight, but the tension stuck around as pax were boarding. They tried to be quiet about it, but I was paying close attention. It got the point where they were calling each other "b*tches" and exchanging nasty looks w/ each other (one male on female FA). Hilarious! The other FA clearly knew something was going one as she stayed as far away as possible.
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:37 am

Events like this are uncalled for and the people involved should be seriously reprimanded for their actions. It's extremely unprofessional and it makes for a very uncomfortable and unsafe environment!

If the particular F/A's don't like their jobs...then they should just get another job! Apparently, job ethics do not exist amongst the airlines.

I have seen F/A's take their anger out on unprovoking passengers. I make every effort to take down the name of the crewmember and let corporate know about it.

I've also seen racial profiling on Horizon Air flights and that was uncalled for. Random screening...Bullshit!!!
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
If the particular F/A's don't like their jobs...then they should just get another job! Apparently, job ethics do not exist amongst the airlines.

How many flights are in a day and we are talking about "2" flight attendants. Many of us have ethics. Many of us still have a passion for our jobs. Many of us are sick of the ones in the article just as you are.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
have seen F/A's take their anger out on unprovoking passengers. I make every effort to take down the name of the crewmember and let corporate know about it.

Do you also send in letters for the ones who meet or exceed your expectations? Or just focus on the negative in life?

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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:51 am

FlyGuyClt:

Maybe my comments were too harsh. I just don't like sitting in flights with an overwhelming tension.

I do send corporate letters/emails for those flight attendants that go over and above their duty.

I once sent a note to AA about a certain flight attendant that was spending time comforting a Navy sailor that had to leave his family for duty. He was balling through the entire flight.

I sent a message to Horizon Air corporate about the comedy relief I had on one flight between SMF-BOI.

Believe me...I send lots of positive letters about excellent service and attitudes. There are many, many more positives than negatives.

I'm sorry if my message was conceived as too negative.

Keep up the great work!
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
FlyGuyClt:

Maybe my comments were too harsh. I just don't like sitting in flights with an overwhelming tension.

I do send corporate letters/emails for those flight attendants that go over and above their duty.

I once sent a note to AA about a certain flight attendant that was spending time comforting a Navy sailor that had to leave his family for duty. He was balling through the entire flight.

I sent a message to Horizon Air corporate about the comedy relief I had on one flight between SMF-BOI.

Believe me...I send lots of positive letters about excellent service and attitudes. There are many, many more positives than negatives.

I'm sorry if my message was conceived as too negative.

Keep up the great work!

Many thanks for clarifying. The people who do go above and beyond only want a thank you. Just some acknowledgement and respect. It goes so far. That and some eye contact and a please and thank you on board will always get you better service .  Smile

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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:42 am

Flight attendants are extremely independent...and the sure fire way to create a confrontation is for one F/A to try and "assist" another F/A who obviously has a situation under control.
example: F/A: (a) tells passenger I will be happy to help you find a place for your bag...and begins searching for a spot.
F/A: (b) comes along grabs bag and tells passenger..."this bad boy is being checked.."
I can certainly understand tensions that are created leg after leg, day after day with someone you dont like...you've just gotta suck it up and keep from giving each other "a blue rinse."

[Edited 2005-11-09 21:49:54]
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting IAHCREW (Reply 12):
There is no clause in our contracts about not lifting bags. It is about no insurance coverage. If we get hurt by lifting a passengers bag it is not considered part of our job description, therefore we cannot get paid for a on the job injury.

I have a hard time believing this. Any on the job injury is subject to workman's comp, usually, and lifting a bag is not outside the realm of possibility for a F/A. Winnable in a grievance.
 
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:02 am

I know a caterer who got fired for shoving a Mesaba F/A. Apparently she wanted another bottle of water and he wasn't going to give it, because he is a control freak. So some argument ensued and he shoved her.
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:31 am

Quoting DavidJ (Reply 4):
Quote:
One young lady came up and was trying to help me get it up

hehehehe

 rotfl  rotfl 

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 16):
Do you also send in letters for the ones who meet or exceed your expectations? Or just focus on the negative in life?

I don't think I do enough of either.
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:12 pm

Quoting IAHCREW (Reply 12):
If we get hurt by lifting a passengers bag it is not considered part of our job description, therefore we cannot get paid for a on the job injury

Are you certain of this, or is it just rumor? I assume CO's coverage is based on TX law and I don't know what the TX statutes say, but I do know that some other states (employee compensation) would provide coverage for any activity performed on the job - even outside the job description or beyond direct supervisory directions/orders.
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RE: Mesaba F/A's Fight On Board Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 13):
I had a feeling that had to be it. Does Mesaba have the "Ala Cart" service where you leave oversized bags at the door and pick them up from a cart at the destination?

Nope... XJ ARJ's are treated as mainline flights from a service perspective... that being said, if your carry-on bag is too large to fit and they can't stow it in the closets in the cabin it is checked on to your final destination by the gate agent and you get to reclaim it at baggage claim at your final dest not planeside...

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