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Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:27 am

According to Airliner World (December 2005), FR has excercised a further 9 options for the Boeing 737-800, bringing its order backlog to a total of 156 of the type.

However, it also states that some of these aircraft, when delivered in 2007, will be used to replace 5 B737-800s purchased in 1999, which will be retired from service.  Confused

Surely these aircraft can't be life expired already??


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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:28 am

The aforementioned 5 738 machines which will be retired will probably be leased to sold to other airlines.
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):
Surely these aircraft can't be life expired already??

I know what you mean. Considering the fact that they are already running their 732's well past the 20 and 25 year old mark.

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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:41 am

Put simply, there is a view that FR got such a good deal from Boeing for its huge order for 737s, that the second hand value of the -800s on the open market is more than the price they originally paid for them. With that in mind it makes good financial sense if they can find a willing customer to sell some on.

It may well be that FR ordered far more aircraft than it ever believed it would require in order to do this...  duck 
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:47 am

Seems like a logical step, Cornish, especially as a small airline could never secure such excellent deals, considering the economies of scale and bulk-buying discounts which large carriers can acquire. So, sell 'em on or lease 'em.
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:54 am

plus their first 738s are "over engineered" with actual windowshades and seatpockets, while their standard newer "738-lite"s don't have these. So they can generate more money at another airline. Well the seatpockets is meant as a joke but I can imagine fitting or removing windowshades would cost quite a bit. I doubt they will get more for them then they originally paid, otherwise Boeing would feel stupid and humiliated seeing Ryanair undercutting their prices, but for sure they get a good price for them with the 8 years depreciation taken into account, and also seeing the popularity of any (second hand) 737ng's on the market.
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:57 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
I doubt they will get more for them then they originally paid, otherwise Boeing would feel stupid and humiliated seeing Ryanair undercutting their prices

And you reckon that matters? I don't think that 99.9% of the population would ever hear of it all anyway. Besides, WE - geeky fans - probably won't hear the actual paid-for prices.
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
And you reckon that matters? I don't think that 99.9% of the population would ever hear of it all anyway. Besides, WE - geeky fans - probably won't hear the actual paid-for prices.

Exactly, I doubt Boeing will lose much sleep over it either.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 3):
Put simply, there is a view that FR got such a good deal from Boeing for its huge order for 737s, that the second hand value of the -800s on the open market is more than the price they originally paid for them. With that in mind it makes good financial sense if they can find a willing customer to sell some on.

It that's correct, it would be more of a shock if FR didn't sell them on. Seems like too good a deal to miss.

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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:34 am

This is old news, and another thread on this can be found at http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2364746
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 7):
Exactly, I doubt Boeing will lose much sleep over it either.

Yeah, if a company gives baker's dozen discounts for example, they could care less what you do with that extra donut! They sold you 12 donuts at a nice profit...
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RE: Ryanair Increases Fleet, But Will Retire 5x 738's

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:12 am

I read somewhere (probably here!) that these early 737-800s are soon due one of the large and costly maintanence checks that all aircraft face at certain stages of their life. Maybe the airline wants rid of these aircraft rather than face these costs.
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