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What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:45 pm

Why did the pilot landed like this? Could the aircraft suffered minor damages?


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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
Why did the pilot landed like this?

Came in high?

Came in fast?

Came in slow?

Came in low?

He was heavy?

He was light?

Wind?

There can be a million reasons. It happens.

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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
Could the aircraft suffered minor damages

If it was a Heavy Weight Landinmg.Appropriate Inspections will be carried out by Mx.
As for the Photographers comment on 50cms....I think it would be lots more than 50cms  Smile

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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
As for the Photographers comment on 50cms....I think it would be lots more than 50cms

Right, comparing the distance to the ground to the pax door size, I´d say one meter.
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pi

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:22 pm

What about this one?

I think the IB 346 pilots pull to much on the side stick when they hear "Retard! Retard!"  Big grin
 
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:28 pm

BoogyJay:

Woah....nice picture...it must be very scary as a passenger !  Wow!
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting Bongo (Reply 5):
Woah....nice picture...it must be very scary as a passenger !

Why? It's not like they're looking outside! I doubt the passengers even noticed!
 
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:37 pm

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 4):
I think the IB 346 pilots pull to much on the side stick when they hear "Retard! Retard!"

Well, I don't think you would be flaring as late as the "retard, retard" call. I've always seen the Retard call as being the instruction to pull the throttles back to flight idle.
 
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:38 pm

Its been 3 years since I flew to MEX (as a pilot). But I think its called the Mateo 1 arrival. That STAR is a very difficult to negotiate. One moment you are trying to slow down and descend, and all of sudden you are at the outter marker. First timers are usually high and fast on that approach. Another very important factor, is that many pilots forget about MEX's altitude, and they cut the thrust/power above the threshold, so they fall out of the sky. I said this because it happened to me.......

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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:39 pm

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 6):
I doubt the passengers even noticed!

Maybe you don´t....I´d noticed...and for me must be scary.
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 8):

I agree

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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pi

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting ACYWG (Reply 7):
I've always seen the Retard call as being the instruction to pull the throttles back to flight idle.

You might be right. I don't know exactly what have the pilots to do when the "retard" call sounds. I just saw some simulator trainings where the pilots were pitching the nose up just after the "retard" call. It may have been pure coincidences though.  Smile

Quoting Bongo (Reply 9):
Maybe you don't....I'd noticed...and for me must be scary.

I think I'd have noticed too, especially at the back, where pax were almost sitting on the ground. Big grin

Juventus,

Thanks for the explanation.
 
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:30 am

It is just another hard landing for the passengers, at a high temperature, high altitude airport 7341 FT at MMMX, with high landing weight and high approach speeds and ground speed over the threshold; it is mandatory to land at the 1000 to 2000 Ft markers on the runway for a comfortable stopping distance and not to overheat the brakes under these conditions.

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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:57 am

whats the "retard" call?
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 4):
What about this one?

It doesn't look like the tail is actually scratching the runway. I think the smoke is generated by the tires.
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:21 pm

Known problem on the A340-600 is tail scape, pilots are trained to avoid such a incident, although I do know of some having scaped a tail. Lets not forget that the -600 is the longest aircraft in the world. Also the -600 is fitted with a tail scrape indicator which alerts the crew a scrape has occurred either on rotation or landing.
 
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:55 pm

Never condsidered the irony that the "retard" Airbus call-out might sound like the airplane is implying the pilot is mentally challenged.

The "retard" here is referring to the Airbus audio call-out (french male voice) that is electronically made when the Airbus is touching down (a few feet from the main gear contacting the runway).

Callouts from radio altimeter sensor: 40... 30... 20... 10... 5... RETARD"

Pronunciation: ri-'tärd
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French retarder, from Latin retardare, from re- + tardus slow
transitive senses
1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE
 
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:42 pm

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 4):
What about this one?

The picture is AMAZING and as photographers and some crazy enthusiast like me this kind of crazy stuff is spectacular, however I think that IB EC-JBA was extremely close to making contact with the runway which is not good, specially if it happens rather often.

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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:44 pm

Quoting Bongo (Reply 9):
Maybe you don´t....I´d noticed...and for me must be scary.

How would you notice, other then the bouncing?
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:52 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
whats the "retard" call?

Retard is shorthand for Retardation, which is the proper word, if you like, for grip or friction. I've always understood the Retard call meant the wheels have made contact with the ground.
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:25 pm

Quoting Md95 (Reply 14):
I think the smoke is generated by the tires

Get away! Big grin
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:36 pm

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 19):
Retard call meant the wheels have made contact with the ground

It's not the touchdown, but rather an automated call for the flight crew to retard the thrust levers to flight idle...
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:50 pm

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 21):
It's not the touchdown, but rather an automated call for the flight crew to retard the thrust levers to flight idle...

I stand corrected. Looks like I was being a retard.
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 18):
How would you notice, other then the bouncing?

Well, I guess because the angle, maybe a hard touch and noise, or maybe the time it takes to be perfectly horizontally leveled, something for sure !
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RE: What Could Happened Here With This IB 346? (pic)

Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:02 am

I'm not sure I see anything unusual here at first glance. It doesn't look like a tail strike at all. Where's the problem?

OK, all things being equal, the tail is a little close, but it still looks fine.

I agree that I'm sure the passengers didn't even notice, unless he hit hard or something.
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