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Routes Operated For Prestige

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:21 pm

In reference to the string "TG Losing 5 million a month on JFK route"

Do airlines operate routes for prestigious purposes despite losses or subsidize routes for the sake of prestige, for example TG BKK-NYC, or TN's PPT-NYC, or possible Virgin to Sydney?. I know for sure that if TG was flying to my home town and losing 5 million per month they would be out pretty quick
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:30 pm

Two things come to mind...

Olympic for years served Melbourne do the largest expatriate Greek population living there and finally they woke up and realized that this route was a stinker financially and cut it.

Also I heard once that Korean Air served Boston as a tag with Washington Dulles because the CEO had a child at university in BOS - as soon as the kid graduated - the service was OVER!

A couple of others - United giving up JFK - Sao Paulo and EZE to realize the connections were much better for them in Dulles and they were getting their buts kicked by American.

Tarom finally pulling out of their prestige route to JFK from OTP

And the Saudia Dulles - Riyadh/Jeddah flights are never full!

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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:37 pm

I dont know why flying to JFK would be prestigious. Nearly every airline that flies intercontinental flies to JFK. Prestige should have uniqueness aswell. TG might just keep flying to JFK to offer their loyal customers this destination on their own aircraft, instead of loosing them to SIA or MH.
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:48 pm

SHV-ATL

From what i've read, its a money loser for DL on the CRJ-200's

However, since SHV was one of the first cities served by the fore-runner for DL back in the '30's and '40's, it would be difficult for DL to leave the market.

Sort of a nostalgic station for them.
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:25 pm

Miami-Cartagena on Avianca. The route loses money, but Avianca keeps it going under demands of the Colombian government, even though they don't subsidize the flight. Cartagena is Colombia's litte piece of paradise, very isolated from the troubles that face other parts of Colombia, so the local government feels it is extremely important to maintain a non-stop to Miami.
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:51 pm

Middle East Airlines AirLiban operating the line BEY-TUN-MAD after 1978 and until the early nineties was a prestige line. The reason of the opening of the line was that the HQ of the Arab League was transferred from CAI to TUN after Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel and the relocation of the PLO HQ to TUN after the Israeli invasion of 1982. The line was acode share beyween TU and ME on BEY-TUN and between IB and ME on the BEY-MAD-BEY.
 
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
isolated from the troubles that face other parts of Colombia

Actually, Cartagena is very affected by our internal problems. There have been some terrorist attacks and the city itself is VERY poor.

Another prestige route is LIS-GRU for Varig. TP makes a lot of money but RG i have heard dont do so.
 
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:17 am

TLV-CAI on LY doesn't do well, but carries obvious historical significance. I had a chance to fly that route (60% load) over the summer, in what should have been the high season.

Second, my friend at UA tells me that all UA's flights to LHR do very badly. However, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, IAD-LHR and SFO-LHR are very prestigious routes, and UA sure doesn't want to lose those LHR slots.

Lastly, what about PIT-LGW on US? Does PIT-FRA still exist (I don't think so). I imagine any int'l flight from PIT is kept as a bone thrown to a formerly prestigious hub.
 
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Cartagena is Colombia's litte piece of paradise, very isolated from the troubles that face other parts of Colombia, so the local government feels it is extremely important to maintain a non-stop to Miami.

so you have been never to colombia? the paradise isnt such small that you are talking about.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 6):
Actually, Cartagena is very affected by our internal problems. There have been some terrorist attacks and the city itself is VERY poor.

the actual situation is going up and not down....

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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:49 am

Umm... probably Virgin Atlantic






 
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:53 pm

Emirates.
I read once an article on airliner world magazine and the CEO of Emirates was saying that the company have enough money to operate routes just for prestige.

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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:38 pm

There is no transatlantic service to Pittsburgh International Airport anymore. The only US Airways international flights are to Cancun and Montego Bay.
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:40 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Second, my friend at UA tells me that all UA's flights to LHR do very badly. However, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, IAD-LHR and SFO-LHR are very prestigious routes, and UA sure doesn't want to lose those LHR slots.

1) They also fly LAX-LHR, last I knew.
2) Your friend is wrong. UA does quite well on their LHR routes. They've dropped unneeded/money-losing routes (EWR, BOS), and concentrated on the ones that go to their hubs. JFK, however, is the exception. According to most on here with decent ties to the airline, JFK does quite poorly in the face of all the competition.
 
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Second, my friend at UA tells me that all UA's flights to LHR do very badly. However, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR, IAD-LHR and SFO-LHR are very prestigious routes, and UA sure doesn't want to lose those LHR slots.

What about LAX?  Smile

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 7):
Lastly, what about PIT-LGW on US? Does PIT-FRA still exist (I don't think so). I imagine any int'l flight from PIT is kept as a bone thrown to a formerly prestigious hub.

Nope harly any int'l left I think MBJ*,YYZ and CUN (some US cities like SAN are gone too)
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RE: Routes Operated For Prestige

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:58 pm

The CFO of Qatar Airways (Airlines?) said they will buy the best plane and fly it on the most prestigious routes possible (like Doha to New York) just to be able to put New York in their timetables.

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