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Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:43 pm

Jetblue is going to massively expand out of EWR they just got their 3rd gate at EWR and they have already secured the 4th gate for the 1st quarter of 06. This is going to be interesting as all the Gates are not together. The plan calls for a BLUECITY bigger then FLL!!! SO expect Transcons on Jetblue out of EWR Very Very Sooon!!!
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:29 pm

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Thread starter):

Yay! Now they can serve 5% of the cities CO does out of EWR! YAY!

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:26 pm

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Thread starter):
The plan calls for a BLUECITY bigger then FLL!!! SO expect Transcons on Jetblue out of EWR Very Very Sooon!!!

Five gates does not a CITY make!
First , do you have some kind of link to this info? And don't you think calling five gates a city is a little silly?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:36 pm

whose gate are they gettiong?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:15 am

If that gives B6 a city at EWR, then CO surely has an entire continent.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:41 am

well if htey start adding transcons from EWR...they should be doing all sorts of fuel stops. Anyways, if they do, look for us to add some frequency as well, just as HP/TZ did, we should match them in every market.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:44 am

Maybe will see EWR-OAK soon from both B6 and CO. Naturally, you would think CO would reopen EWR-OAK if B6 announces service on the same route.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:50 am

absolutely..............i still can't figure out why we dont operate it now!!
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 2):
Five Gates does not a CITY make!
First , do you have some kind of link to this info? And don't you think calling five Gates a city is a little silly?



Quoting Dartland (Reply 4):
If that gives B6 a city at EWR, then CO surely has an entire continent

People, People a bluecity is any city that Jetblue goes to!!! Even if they only have one flight a day to that city!!! And by the way I never said 5 Gates I said Jetblue will have 4 Gates at EWR. Surely Jetblue will prob. Have 40-60 flights a day out of EWR by next year but that is no where close to what Continental has. The EWR Market is huge and I believe that both Continental and Jetblue are going to do JUST FINE.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:47 am

40-60??? I dont think they will be having that many flights.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 8):
The EWR Market is huge and I believe that both Continental and Jetblue are going to do JUST FINE.

I don't think so. CO will fight to the end, that is there home... Besides CO has a lot of loyal Customers. Lot more than B6
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 9):
40-60??? I dont think they will be having that many flights.

The best WN does with their gates when they really try is 10 flights per day from each gate, that's if they really try.

If/when B6 gets a 4th gate the best they could muster would be 40 flights per day, that's pushing it though and would probably be less.

Think of it this way, they started with 15 flights from two gates so 30 flights from four makes sense.
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:58 am

This may seem like a silly question but does anyone here know how much jetblue can expand operations out of EWR ? If Jetblue expands operation greatly out of EWR would they fly to cities that they currently serve out of JFK ?
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:58 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 7):
absolutely..............i still can't figure out why we dont operate it now!!

priorities?

I say CO should not do OAK, and as they already fly SFO, not to mention SJC. OAK is a Ryanair type destination.

There's my Peninsula bias showing...
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:06 am

If we can do very well out of IAH-OAK, then EWR should be good for us as well. Its hard to say that a route wouldn't work from our EWR hub,
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
Anyways, if they do, look for us to add some frequency as well, just as HP/TZ did, we should match them in every market

With gate space being so tight in EWR that you needed all those gates in A which cities will most likely get reductions in service?
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 14):
If we can do very well out of IAH-OAK, then EWR should be good for us as well. Its hard to say that a route wouldn't work from our EWR hub,

we already tried it and cancelled it twice...maybe again as seasonal summer service like SMF...
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:06 am

those were more seasonal services only like the SMF, CLE-SAN/SLC services, I imagine sooner or later, and maybe sooner if B6 does something we should see it again.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting SJU767 (Reply 10):
I don't think so. CO will fight to the end, that is there home... Besides CO has a lot of loyal Customers. Lot more than B6

heh, you wouldn't guess how many CO tags i see on luggage on our EWR flights from TPA..
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:41 am

Well you wouldn't believe all the B6 tags that we see from JFK-IAH.......you cant say that we are losing customers on that route......we see all sorts of different airline tags on bags, so to make a statement like we seem to be losing customers rapidly is preposterous.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 9):
40-60??? I dont think they will be having that many flights.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
The best WN does with their gates when they really try is 10 flights per day from each gate, that's if they really try.

WN has 12 flights of a gate in some cities, but I do doubt they can get 15 flights a day out of 4 gates.

Quoting SJU767 (Reply 10):
I don't think so. CO will fight to the end, that is there home... Besides CO has a lot of loyal Customers. Lot more than B6

CO will fight, but B6 will lower the fares so much that it will create a huge amount of traffic, and there already is a massive amount of O&D from/to NYC. There should be enough traffic for both CO and B6, especially to the popular destinations like Florida where there is seemingly endless O&D.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:04 am

Told you so here!
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:23 am

that is better news for CO not B6..........AA & B6 dont compare in product like AA & CO do.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
I say CO should not do OAK, and as they already fly SFO, not to mention SJC. OAK is a Ryanair type destination.

CO attempted EWR-SMF, EWR-OAK a few years back. Both were pulled from the network within months.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
There's my Peninsula bias showing...

Mill Valley, Corte Madera, Danville, Sonoma, Napa, and Los Gatos residents may have something to say about that!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Five gates does not a CITY make!

Five gates from zero within the first few months is very impressive. Dont forget that JETBLUE has eaten away at the loyal or what used-to-be loyal bases of fliers for AA, CO, and DL in the NYC area.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
well if htey start adding transcons from EWR...they should be doing all sorts of fuel stops

Actually I dont recall United having problems on SFO-EWR, LAX-EWR, BOS-SFO, BOS-LAX, IAD-SFO, IAD-LAX, IAD-SMF... Or America West LAS-EWR, PHX-EWR... Or JetBlue on JFK-SMF, JFK-OAK, JFK-LGB, JFK-SAN...Fuel Stops and comments like that are totally false!


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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:42 am

they have made a number of tech stops flying eastbound from the west coast.....and many of the cities you were looking at on UAL were being flown on 767 or 757 equipment, little bit of a difference there.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 24):
and many of the cities you were looking at on UAL were being flown on 767 or 757 equipment, little bit of a difference there.

Check the equipment UAL is using now!  sarcastic 

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:28 am

All A320s are not identical, B6 operates theirs in a fairly dense configuration and thus have encountered performance issues on heavily loaded flights. There is no doubt that this will be a consideration should B6 start sending out packed A320s to the West Coast during the dog days of an EWR summer. Hell, we even run into problems with our 737-800s, which, even without winglets, are better transcontinental performers than A320s.

Continental will compete fiercely with JetBlue, as we have been. The difference between EWR and say, ATL, where B6 lost the battle to DL, is that there is plenty of traffic to go around, and while our competitors may be touting their success in the market, it is not necessarily coming at our expense.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:47 am

Thanks for elaborating on that 777gk.....the configuration does play a large roll in performance. and come summer, their hold time will be very limited.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 15):
With gate space being so tight in EWR that you needed all those gates in A which cities will most likely get reductions in service?

CO uses those gates in A to protect the hub, not because they need them per se. Go to C and check out how many gates sit empty for an hour here, and hour there. CO has room to add flights.

Of course, if all the A flights were moved to C, it would make it much tighter, so for expansion, CO does need the A space. But when they started from A, they didn't quite need them as much as want to keep them from other carriers.

It's why they fly NY-Competitor Hub O&D flights out of those gates, ones that tend to take non-stop business pax more than connecting pax. EWR-ATL/DFW/ORD/IAD, and currently Baton Rouge as a rebuilding post Katrina business destination.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 23):
Mill Valley, Corte Madera, Danville, Sonoma, Napa, and Los Gatos residents may have something to say about that!

Hey, can't argue there. My cousin is in Mill Valley and she was very impressed with OAK-JFK on B6. And Pixar types and Cal Weenies also would likely appreciate more B6 flights out of OAK.

But I went to Stanford, so I have a bias for SJC over OAK any day of the week, and SFO as well, even if it is busy. Oakland is a lame city as cities go, as well. Never liked going anywhere near it.

Quoting 777gk (Reply 26):
All A320s are not identical, B6 operates theirs in a fairly dense configuration and thus have encountered performance issues on heavily loaded flights

Didn't they just get new software that helps them with climbout and gets rid of most of the limitations they had on the longest of routes?
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:38 am

The software calculates expected fuel burn en route much more precisely given the actual conditions, taking into account flight characteristics and profiles, historical data for the trip, planned routings, weather, and takeoff weight. Essentially the software takes into account a greater range of parameters to come up with the most efficient and economical flight plan, speeds, and weights to avoid any en route tech stops.

Methods such as these are standard, if not critical, for flight planning long hauls, including EWR-HNL/HKG/PEK/DEL, and are very effective.

However, this does not take away from the fact that fully-loaded transcontinental flights near the limit of B6 A320 performance.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
CO uses those gates in A to protect the hub, not because they need them per se. Go to C and check out how many gates sit empty for an hour here, and hour there. CO has room to add flights.

Of course, if all the A flights were moved to C, it would make it much tighter, so for expansion, CO does need the A space. But when they started from A, they didn't quite need them as much as want to keep them from other carriers.

If this is so obvious, why does the Port Authority let them keep the gates.
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:45 am

no difference than NW at MSP............gates are less utilized there than there at EWR........there may be some open gatees in EWR at times, but when you have a widebody that takes up two gates, you lose space, and terminal A comes in real handy.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 30):
If this is so obvious, why does the Port Authority let them keep the gates.

well, as I said, if they were to move those flights back over to C NOW, it would limit EXPANSION out of EWR by CO, and the PANYNJ doesn't want to limit expansion of new routes.

Another reason to be in A is to show travelers of other carriers that there is an alternative to flying to the hubs. AA pax can see quite clearly that from the same terminal, CO offers flights to DFW and ORD, and has a presidents club there, etc. Competition.
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:11 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
Another reason to be in A is to show travelers of other carriers that there is an alternative to flying to the hubs. AA pax can see quite clearly that from the same terminal, CO offers flights to DFW and ORD, and has a presidents club there, etc. Competition.

Thats an interesting statement, CO wants to protect its hub by keeping out the competition but they want to show flyers that theres competition to AA. So they want competition only when it favors them.

>>well, as I said, if they were to move those flights back over to C NOW, it would limit EXPANSION out of EWR by CO, and the PANYNJ doesn't want to limit expansion of new routes.

I guess I can't fault the PANYNJ then. Especially since Jetblue was able to find 4 gates. It would be nice if they were together like other carriers gates but I'll take what I can get.

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:23 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 19):
Well you wouldn't believe all the B6 tags that we see from JFK-IAH.......you cant say that we are losing customers on that route......we see all sorts of different airline tags on bags, so to make a statement like we seem to be losing customers rapidly is preposterous.

Now I never said that you're losing customers rapidly.. I just said that you should see how many tags from CO i see on our EWR routes..

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:21 pm

I've never supported CO with those gates in Terminal A. That used to be space for USAir back in the early 90s and CO gobbled it up in the late 90s. It takes away from other airlines that want to serve EWR (Such as B6) but have trouble getting gate space.

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:39 pm

The fuel stops that B6 makes on its transcons are typically WESTBOUND. Hmmmm....guess it's not a matter of the aircraft. My understanding is that the BUR flights have an occasional tech stop and load limit because of the runway length at BUR, and nothing more.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 23):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Five gates does not a CITY make!

How this got made my quite, I do not know. I didn't make that comment. Strange.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 35):
I've never supported CO with those gates in Terminal A. That used to be space for USAir back in the early 90s and CO gobbled it up in the late 90s. It takes away from other airlines that want to serve EWR (Such as B6) but have trouble getting gate space.

Boo hoo, Tommy. You make it sound like, CO, out of the goodness of their hearts, should just give the gate space-TO A COMPETITOR. I guess you don't understand the nature of this business.

Unbelievable.
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:48 pm

Oh Boy,, yeah!!!

Maybe CO will roll over and leave EWR!! And B6 can rule the skys!!!!
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting CALPilot (Reply 38):
Oh Boy,, yeah!!!

Maybe CO will roll over and leave EWR!! And B6 can rule the skys!!!!

Reading what Tommy767 wrote, that's exactly what he's asking CO to do. You don't give an inch, if you can, to a competitor, Tommy boy, you do what you can to make them eat dirt.
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:53 pm

I know the airline industry has changed immensely since the 1980's. But I think it's interesting that in the 1980's, World Airways flew DC-10's and People Express flew 747's between OAK and EWR. CO has a massive hub at EWR and can't sustain service between OAK and EWR with a 737-700.

I still think that OAK does a very poor job of advertising service at OAK. They could do a lot better. A billboard on I-880 isn't enough, IMO.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 34):
Now I never said that you're losing customers rapidly.. I just said that you should see how many tags from CO i see on our EWR routes..

I too have seen many CO tags on our flights to RSW from EWR. I have even spoken to several customers who were trying out Jetblue for the first time going to EWR....I suppose we could assume who they USED to fly. It's only a matter of time before more and more people start to realize the BIG DIFFERENCE in service and switch over to JetBlue. As for competition with CO, of course they have more routes than we do but we have to start somewhere. And on the same routes with CO, we are gonna give them a run for the money....and we all know who will come out on top.
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 41):
and we all know who will come out on top.

I'm sure. How dare we forget that jetBlue is the second coming of Christ.

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 41):
and we all know who will come out on top.

I no we do Co will.

I am in Tpa terminal A right now and both Co and Jetblue fly ewr-tpa
All of Co s flights are running at 90% full so Jetblue isnt taking to much customers from The tpa and mco routes. I can go on coair.com and check the loads
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:39 am

Considering that JetBlue has lower costs than CO and has already established itself in the NYC market just as CO has done, I think this is a fair fight. I don't think JetBlue will kill CO out of EWR anything. I think that they'll be able to co-exist and B6 will be able to make a modest profit at the same time.

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:42 am

JetBlue may exist with us, but I highly doubt they will turn it into such a large BlueCity like your counterpart has stated earlier with up to 60 flights a day.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 am

For the record, I don't work for JetBlue.

In any case, I don't think 60 flights is feasible with only 4 gates. I would say 35-40 but that's the very maximum. For JetBlue this will be a decent-sized operation. Keep in mind that they still consider OAK a focus city and they only have 2 gates there!

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 45):
JetBlue may exist with us, but I highly doubt they will turn it into such a large BlueCity like your counterpart has stated earlier with up to 60 flights a day.

Well with 4 Gates it will be a bigger BlueCity the others and if you look at all the flights they have into FLL with 4 Gates, they can get that out of EWR so about 40 flights isn't bad at all since they just started in October.

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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 41):
....and we all know who will come out on top.

Expect fierce competition from CO, much like DL did when B6 entered ATL. To paraphrase, "....and we all know who came out on top."
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RE: Jetblue To Get 4th Gate At EWR!

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:13 am

What I want to know is what will the travelling public do when the Jetblues of the industry have put all the major network international carriers out of business??!!