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Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:48 am

 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:53 am

Stating that again could be an indication for the long-awaited EK order...


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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:54 am

Then they had better come up with a crapload of commitments at the airshow.

We have 143 orders now and I am highly confident that we will see 200 orders by the end of the year," Airbus sales chief John Leahy told Reuters on the sidelines of an event to mark the first long-haul flight of its A380.

What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft

So? As much as you want to hate this plane you cant deny the fact that it is not going to be as big a failure as you would like it to be.

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:58 am

Is Leahy pointing a gun at his foot knowing he might have to squeeze the trigger on 1st January or does he know something about A350 orders that he has not yet told the world?
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:59 am

Looks like they may repeat the mistake Boeing made in 2004. Sell them first, THEN blow your own horn. Leahy, haven't you learned anything from that moron Condit?
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:06 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 5):
Looks like they may repeat the mistake Boeing made in 2004. Sell them first, THEN blow your own horn.

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 1):
Stating that again could be an indication for the long-awaited EK order...

I also think EK will make an A350 announcement based on their previous behaviour. Just my gut feeling. When is the Dubai Airshow BTW and do you think that is when they will announce their future fleet plans?
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.

What makes this kind of conversation difficult is that, when you look at the A website as it is updated, some of the orders are at least 4-5 weeks old, so you only really know a month after the fact.

For certain Qatar have stated that they will sign the order for their 60 at the Dubai Air show.

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:11 am

Of course Leahy means orders and commitments...
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:12 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.

They have commitments from airlines for 143, 25 of which are now signed firm orders.

This is no different to Boeing saying they have 260-odd commitments for the 787. Far from all of those are currently signed firm contracts.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
So? As much as you want to hate this plane you cant deny the fact that it is not going to be as big a failure as you would like it to be.

No one said I want it to be a failure. As I have publically stated on this forum many times, both the A-350 and 787 will be successful over time. What I am saying here is that as far as has been revealed to date there are signed commitments for 25 airframs, so they must have a lot of orders pending for the airshow.

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:15 am

Last year when Boeing said they were selling 200 B787's before year end too, I was cheering for Boeing and hoping that they will get there. They missed their target in the end and it wasn't really that big a deal. It created alot of good publicity claiming to want to get to that "magical" number.

Airbus is doing the same this year, and I for one, will be cheering on Airbus the same and hoping they can get there too. Maybe they will miss their target too and it won't be a big deal either. Boeing fans remember last year, and I don't think not getting 200 last year affected how Boeing performed on thje 787 this year.

EK order and Aeroflot seems likely for A350. Anyone thinks Qantas and Singapore can squeeze in there? Or are they still leaning Boeing?

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 11):
What I am saying here is that as far as has been revealed to date there are signed commitments for 25 airframs, so they must have a lot of orders pending for the airshow.

There are commitments for 143 firm orders, they can all be found on Airbus' website:

Air Europa 10
Alafco 12
CIT 5
Gecas 10
Kingfisher Airlines 5
Qatar Airways 60
TAM 8
US Airways 20
Unannounced 10
Eurofly 3

The 25 you are referring to are the ones for which the final contracts have already been signed. In their 'race' to get to 200 orders before year-end, Airbus counts all the above as orders, just like what Boeing did last year with the 787.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting GEnxPower (Reply 12):
EK order and Aeroflot seems likely for A350

There was a post on this forum about Aeroflot order being announced in Russia last week. Emirates is about 90% certain as Boeing does not have authority to offer 787-10 yet.

Quoting GEnxPower (Reply 12):
Anyone thinks Qantas and Singapore can squeeze in there?

Singapore - only if they turn options for A380 into firm orders (highly unlikely at this time, they will do it only if they will be happy with their initial batch of A380s and will kiss 747ADV goodbye). Quantas - only if Airbus gives them a deal they can't refuse.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting Sjoerd (Reply 9):
Of course Leahy means orders and commitments...

Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
What 143 orders? They have signed commitments for 25 aircraft.

They have commitments from airlines for 143, 25 of which are now signed firm orders.

This is no different to Boeing saying they have 260-odd commitments for the 787. Far from all of those are currently signed firm contracts.

Scbriml, Boeing refers to theirs as orders and commitments. Airbus refers to theirs simply as orders. There's a difference in my opinion.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:47 am

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 15):
Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

Because it only matters to nit-pickers on a.net. IIRC Boeing said the same thing last year.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:01 am

Reading the article... I thought the following statement was very interesting:

"Leahy declined to say how many A350s it needed to sell to break even: "We made the mistake of giving that number for the A380.""

He must have read the posts on here at A.Net. LOL!

I think it's very doable for 200 commitments. But not for firm orders. Anything that will offer efficiencies for an airliner will do well.

But anyhew, congrats to Airbus. Lets see how long this momentum can last. As soon as Boeing launches the 787-10, I think all those claims that the A350 will be the 777 killer are muted. The 787-10 is going to happen its just a matter of time.

I have always questioned the soo called Advanced materials for the A350. I started a post on this but no one could answer my question. Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

Boeing has had plenty of experience using this and at the end passed this up for composites. I am not debating that Airbus is making a mistake but I question the reasoning for its use. But time will tell... Should be interesting of how the 787-10 will perform compared to the A359. OK, I'll stop rambling..

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 15):
Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

The fact that he said they already have 143 makes it pretty clear what he meant...

That and what MarshalN said.

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 17):
I have always questioned the soo called Advanced materials for the A350. I started a post on this but no one could answer my question. Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

Im assuming here, with my little knowledge of materials currently used on conventional airliners, that Airbus went this way because it was far more simple, and it could churn out an A350 quicker and cheaper than going back to the drawing board and designing a brand new aircraft.

In my opinion its working. The A350 is already a success, its taking some orders away from Boeing, and that's what Airbus wanted, they don't want Boeing to run away in the middle market.

Assuming by the end of this year airbus gets 200 orders and Boeing has 270 orders (this number IM not certain on SO don't shoot me)... Or OK OK lets say Boeing has 300 orders by end of year, this means Boeing booked 60% of the market and 40% for Airbus, that's not bad at all.

200 by year end is achievable, with SU and EK they will hit that with a couple to spare.

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:19 am

Kudos to Airbus, if they reach the 200 order by the end of the year!

Amazing how both Boeing & Airbus push each other to make their products better.

Airbus comes out with the A320 aircraft line which pushes Boeing to produce the 737NG aircraft line.

Airbus comes out with the A330/A340 line in answer to the Boeing 757/767 line.

Boeing comes out with the 777 to combat the A330/A340.

Airbus comes out with the A350 to combat the 787......

Having both companies out there will only make their products that much better....

I am sure that I missed a bunch of things, but, I think you get my point  Smile
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:23 am

I reckon Etihad (EY) will be in for a few A350's too... That may well be announced at this months airshow in Dubai as well as the pending EK order...
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:49 am

I 'm doing some work for both A350 and B787, and the "fuel and maintenance cost/efficiency" of both will be very high compare to 90% of existing airlines fleets.
The difference will be the industrial capacity of Boeing, Airbus and most important "partners" to follow the incredible demand created by kerosene price and lake of investment/replacement last years (especially in US, e.i: Delta,...).
New B787 order will be delivered after first A350 ones.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 19):
this means Boeing booked 60% of the market and 40% for Airbus, that's not bad at all.

This is the exact market share I'm predicting, too. Boeing has the advantage of offering true 767/A300/A310 replacement, while Airbus has only 767-400 replacement on offer.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 17):
Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

Because they want to gradually "work in" the composite technology into their design. Airbus is working on composite A400M and watch for that technology being incorporated into the future commercial designs from Airbus Industrie. I'm still curious how Boeing will solve the drawbacks of the outside composite surfaces, most notably the resin gelcoat cracks and the reaction of carbon fibre panels to the uv rays.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:03 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 13):
There are commitments for 143 firm orders, they can all be found on Airbus' website:

The cheerleading on this site never stops does it? Look Scorpio, the orders are either firm or they’re not. It’s that simple. It’s like pregnancy; you’re either pregnant, or you're not. Your characterization of “commitments for firm orders” is manipulative at best. Equivocation like that is nothing more than propagandistic spin.

Airbus has 25 firm orders for the A350.
Boeing has 196 firm orders for the B787.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 18):
Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 15):
Sjoerd, If that is what Leahy meant, then why doesn't he specifically say that?

The fact that he said they already have 143 makes it pretty clear what he meant...

That and what MarshalN said.

Fine. Then they will soon have over 200 orders and commitments, which is impressive.

Congratulations to Airbus.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24):
Airbus has 25 firm orders for the A350.
Boeing has 196 firm orders for the B787.

It may be true but it's not very descriptive of the situation: customers have not agreed to buy 8 times as many 787's as A350's.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24):
The cheerleading on this site never stops does it?

Yay! Another one decides to make this personal by crapping all over the thread. You must feel so proud..  Yeah sure What does this have to do with cheerleading? Airbus has commitments for 143 firm orders, that's a simple FACT.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24):
Look Scorpio, the orders are either firm or they’re not.

Tell me, did you actually READ the artcile in the thread starter? If you did, it would be pretty clear to you what kind of firm orders Airbus wants by year-end. The same ones Boeing was talking about a year ago: commitments.

It really is that simple.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:23 am

For crying out loud. Over here, we've done nothing but count commitments from beginning. You think we were laughing at the A350 not having a single order last week? So far, we haven't seen much of a habit of MOU's turning into firm orders for the other manufacturer so I see no reason why we can't count commitments.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:33 am

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 20):
Having both companies out there will only make their products that much better....

At least there are a few of us who aren't so emotionally blinded by allegiance to a manufacturer that we can truly grasp this concept. I also feel like having decent new products from both manufacturers will increase the number of carriers flying new aircraft (either through manufacturer preference or pricing pressure). As a passenger this is all.... well... great!
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:34 am

Quoting Art (Reply 26):
It may be true but it's not very descriptive of the situation: customers have not agreed to buy 8 times as many 787's as A350's.

I think that's exactly what it means. When you "agree to buy" something, you sign a contract. It the airline industry, that contract is known as a Firm Order. Any other form of "commitment" is a statement of intention and is not a legally binding agreement to buy anything.

Customers have agreed to buy 25 A350s form Airbus.
Customers have agreed to buy 196 B787s form Boeing.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 30):
Customers have agreed to buy 25 A350s form Airbus.
Customers have agreed to buy 196 B787s form Boeing.

It's actually good for Boeing if the A350 sells a little more because it will cement the A350 program. It would be worse for Boeing if the offering of the A350 was a failure and Airbus decided to start again with an all new airplane to compete with the 787.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
This is no different to Boeing saying they have 260-odd commitments for the 787.

Sorry, there is a big difference. When Boeing say they have 260-odd commitments, they mean commitments. When Boeing talk about orders they mean orders. Boeing say what they mean and mean what they say. With Airbus claiming orders when they have only unsigned commitments, one never knows whether Airbus say what they mean or mean what they say.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 30):
Quoting Art (Reply 26):
It may be true but it's not very descriptive of the situation: customers have not agreed to buy 8 times as many 787's as A350's.

I think that's exactly what it means. When you "agree to buy" something, you sign a contract. It the airline industry, that contract is known as a Firm Order. Any other form of "commitment" is a statement of intention and is not a legally binding agreement to buy anything.

OK, I agree to retract. However, I have agreed to buy things before without signing a sales contract.

Perhaps I should have said "It may be true but it's not very descriptive of the situation: customers have not given statements of intention that are not legally binding agreements to buy 8 times as many 787's as A350's."

To return to the Leahy statement, I suspect he has that he has ...how can I put it? ...arranged to sell a number of A350's pre-2006 without telling you or me.

[Edited 2005-11-11 20:14:03]

[Edited 2005-11-11 20:15:24]
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 31):
It's actually good for Boeing if the A350 sells a little more because it will cement the A350 program. It would be worse for Boeing if the offering of the A350 was a failure and Airbus decided to start again with an all new airplane to compete with the 787.

I don't see the logic to this. The fact that Airbus has dented the B787 order book is not good at all for Boeing. It would have been better for Boeing if Airbus did not get any orders for the A350.

Here's a question for you, what would Boeing rather have 50-60% of the market or a 100% of the market?

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 32):
With Airbus claiming orders when they have only unsigned commitments, one never knows whether Airbus say what they mean or mean what they say.

Sorry, untrue. Airbus calls them 'Firm order commitments' on their website, clearly distinguishing them from firm, signed orders.

Quoting Art (Reply 33):
"It may be true but it's not very descriptive of the situation: customers have not given statements of intention that are not legally binding agreements to buy 8 times as many 787's as A350's."

LOL! Yeah, wouldn't want to be attacked by the Semantics Nazis  

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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 5):
Two words for you:
Emirates
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Quoting Scorpio (Reply 13):
Air Europa 10
Alafco 12
CIT 5
Gecas 10
Kingfisher Airlines 5
Qatar Airways 60
TAM 8
US Airways 20
Unannounced 10
Eurofly 3

I'm sorry but can you point out to me where Emirates and Aeroflot are A350 customers on Airbus' site, because, silly me, I missed it.

Both carriers are negoitiating with both Airbus and Boeing. Way to early to call who'll get those orders, although I agree with you Emirates will probably go A350. Aeroflot is a tougher call.
Hey, personally I hope they do make 200. I do not agree with above statements that Boeing, nor Airbus for that matter would like to have a 100% market share. I believe the market wants both companies strong, propsperous and keeping each other honest. As was said before, the competition forces both to innovate. What gets to me is the sales pitches and the salesman's statements. Leahy has said some doosies, and he doesn't need to do that. Him and Scott carson have great reputations, have a strong track record and are selling excellent products. They can both avoid the bullsh**.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 36):
I'm sorry but can you point out to me where Emirates and Aeroflot are A350 customers on Airbus' site, because, silly me, I missed it.

He was merely pointing out that both have recently been rumored to order A350, and that orders from them could bring the total to 200. That's all he was saying, don't look into it too much...
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:04 am

Wow, if Aeroflot opts for the 350 over Boeing, it will be BIG news in the US. The political ramifications will be noticed, even if it is a small commitment, say 5-6 planes. Just my opinion.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:27 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 35):
Sorry, untrue. Airbus calls them 'Firm order commitments' on their website, clearly distinguishing them from firm, signed orders.

Are you suggesting Leahy was misquoted? See the news articles above quoting him.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 39):
Are you suggesting Leahy was misquoted? See the news articles above quoting him.

No, but there's a difference between what someone says to a reporter and the official word in press releases.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:36 am

Isn't it a mistake to publicly announce expected orders by the end of the year anyway - no matter how you define orders? If you don't want to risk losing your face, you'll have to reach your goal, be it by selling aircraft below market-value.
I understand that an expectation is not the same thing as certainty, but still you are strengthening the negotiation position of potential buyers.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 36):
I'm sorry but can you point out to me where Emirates and Aeroflot are A350 customers on Airbus' site, because, silly me, I missed it.

Thread about alleged Aeroflot purchase

Emirates is pretty much a done deal, unless Boeing gets authority to offer 787-10X to them before the Dubai show, which is like 10 days away.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 17):

I have always questioned the soo called Advanced materials for the A350. I started a post on this but no one could answer my question. Why is Airbus using a material that has been around for 20 something years and labeling it as Advanced but yet it's used on the 747/777, specifically Al Li fuselage panels.

I'd expect that today's Al-Li structures are different from the Al-Li structures of 20 years ago.
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 31):
It's actually good for Boeing if the A350 sells a little more because it will cement the A350 program. It would be worse for Boeing if the offering of the A350 was a failure and Airbus decided to start again with an all new airplane to compete with the 787.

Actually no, a delay to the A350 would be a boon to Boeing & the 787 program. If Airbus went back to the drawing board, you are talking about an airplane that could come out in, 2015.....
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 42):
Emirates is pretty much a done deal, unless Boeing gets authority to offer 787-10X to them before the Dubai show, which is like 10 days away.

Couldn't agree more, although I would not be surprised if Boeing and Emirates came to that conclusion and annouced a order for the 787-10.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 41):
Isn't it a mistake to publicly announce expected orders by the end of the year anyway - no matter how you define orders? If you don't want to risk losing your face, you'll have to reach your goal, be it by selling aircraft below market-value.

Again, excellent point and something I'm wishing both airframers would do, although it does seem that Boeing is consciously choosing to become more conservative about order announcements since the major management changes.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:14 am

So apart the airlines mentionned above and some others we spoke sooner in other threads (EK , SU , SQ , QF , EY , AY , EI ) , which are the other ones to have the A350 in sight ?
 
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 46):
So apart the airlines mentionned above and some others we spoke sooner in other threads (EK , SU , SQ , QF , EY , AY , EI ) , which are the other ones to have the A350 in sight ?

AF/KL could come in for the aircraft as an A340/772ER replacement and fleet expansion before much longer, especially Air France. SN Brussels is another euro carrier who are going to need a few aircraft for longhaul before much longer.

Other carriers include Aer Lingus who are currently evaluating it against the 788, but that would be price and leasing critical. The problem here is too many people are looking at the 'usual suspects' and not at smaller carriers who could be negotiating in confidence. There could also be further action in the lease market with the ILFC and GECAS orders happening (especially GECAS who are a revenue sharing partner via GE generally).
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:08 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 45):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 42):
Emirates is pretty much a done deal, unless Boeing gets authority to offer 787-10X to them before the Dubai show, which is like 10 days away.


Couldn't agree more, although I would not be surprised if Boeing and Emirates came to that conclusion and annouced a order for the 787-10.

Well... once again - if Boeing is not authorised to formally offer 787-10, Emirates cannot order it. Furthermore, Boeing's latest formal proposal to Emirates makes no mention of 787-10 (there was a post about it). So unless they are planning to drop the bomb in Dubai, I find it highly doubtful based on the information I have at this point in time that EK will end up with 787-10. The one indication that Emirates will go with 787-10 will be the lack of the announcement from Airbus regarding that order during Dubai air show. I doubt Leahy will repeat Baseler's mishap with 200 orders from last year - he's not that stupid to repeat his Chicago counterpart's mistakes...

Either way, it will be interesting to see who will end up with extra 50 frames in their backlog. So far this seems to be the biggest nail-biter for both Airbus and Boeing.
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RE: Airbus Reiterates "200 A350 Orders By Year-end"

Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:25 am

Boeing isn't even formally offering the B789.
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