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NW Trims MKE Further

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:17 pm

Effective January 4th, NW drops:

MKE-LGA
MKE-DCA
MKE-LAS

MKE-LAS returns from 2/16 thru 4/29 as a seasonal red-eye flight kind of like what they fly between Vegas and Grand Rapids, Fargo, Des Moines, etc.

Northwest will be down to 17 flights (all mainline) with the January schedule:

MSP 6
DTW 6
MEM 3
LAX 1
MCO 1

Seventeen flights is about the level of service Northwest had at MKE for years before their 2003 buildup. NW is still in a period of big change and transition, and who knows is anything will return or if anything more will be cut. I'd be surprised if an additional MSP and DTW flight are not added during the peak season in mid 2006. But it looks like NW's point-to-point experiment in Milwaukee is quickly winding down.

So far I don't see any IND point-to-point cuts beyond those already talked about weeks ago like IND-DFW, IND-PHX, IND-AUS, etc. The only other point-to-point flight I see going is LAN-DCA.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:32 pm

not really too suprising, I had heard that they were having problems in MKE. the LAS flight kind of suprises me, thought that would be more popular.

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
The only other point-to-point flight I see going is LAN-DCA.

have they dropped DSM-DCA, GRR-DCA, and MSN-DCA as well?
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:08 am

Myself I would not be surprised to see IND be the next on the chopping block.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:09 am

Great news for Midwest. Congrats to them for fending off NW, though if an equilibrium can be reached between that two that's good as well.

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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:47 am

Well guess whatever NW had in mind with their MKE focus and Heartland Strategy didnt work out  Sad. Can't NW support a year round LAS flight?or DCA or LGA from MKE? It seems like these routes can at least operate with Express Aircraft........
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):
Can't NW support a year round LAS flight?or DCA or LGA from MKE? It seems like these routes can at least operate with Express Aircraft........

The LGA and DCA flights were 44-seat NW Airlink equipment, downgraded over a year ago from Airbus. And the answer is apparnetly no. Short of a few peak travel months where loads were good, both LGA and DCA hovered month after month in the 45-60% load factor range even with only 44 seats to fill. *And* those loads were already boosted by cut throat fare sales and by thru and connecting traffic from Kansas City and Denver.

Vegas has always had good loads, but that was a daytime flight. That means using and aircraft to serve a low-yield flight. NW will do okay during the peak season with a redeye flight, but in other months redeye Vegas flights out of MKE are not that attractive because there are daytime flights on Midwest.
 
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:25 am

[quote=Knope2001,reply=5]The LGA and DCA flights were 44-seat NW Airlink equipment, downgraded over a year ago from Airbus. And the answer is apparently no. Short of a few peak travel months where loads were good, both LGA and DCA hovered month after month in the 45-60% load factor range even with only 44 seats to fill. *And* those loads were already boosted by cut throat fare sales and by thru and connecting traffic from Kansas City and Denver.

Wow that's sad that they couldn't fill a CRJ-440 to popular cities like the ones aforementioned  Sad. But thanks for explaining the situation to me  Smile
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:49 am

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 3):
Congrats to them for fending off NW, though if an equilibrium can be reached between that two that's good as well.

I wouldn't pat YX on the back to much, these cutbacks are a result of Chapter 11, not Timmy and the boys in the Cookie Palace. NW has had to realize that they just can't dump seats into a market to try to gain market share. I'm sure we will see some more cutbacks from IND as well. Chapter 11 is going to make the big red shark look like a little red guppy by the time it is all said and done.
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:10 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
wouldn't pat YX on the back to much, these cutbacks are a result of Chapter 11, not Timmy and the boys in the Cookie Palace. NW has had to realize that they just can't dump seats into a market to try to gain market share. I'm sure we will see some more cutbacks from IND as well.

I have to agree this has more to do with chapter 11 than YX. Also I suspect IND to get trimmed though maybe not as much as MKE has/is.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
Chapter 11 is going to make the big red shark look like a little red guppy by the time it is all said and done.

Here is disagree with you, I think NW will have to pick its battles a tad better and decide which fight is worth fighting and which are not. They will still be a force to reckon with, especially in the Midwest.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
Here is disagree with you, I think NW will have to pick its battles a tad better and decide which fight is worth fighting and which are not. They will still be a force to reckon with, especially in the Midwest.

I was referring to the fact that they may park up to 106 planes over the next year. If they do this, NW is going to be a lot smaller then they are now, and the Heartland Strategy will most likely fall by the wayside.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:51 am

doesn't NW have 3X daily service from MKE to BOS using the CR4? Or did they drop that route as well?
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:13 am

So what will NW do with their DCA and LGA slots? Sell them? Add more hub flights? Flights from somewhere else?
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:49 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
Des Moines

DSM is not a redeye just for clarification

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 1):

have they dropped DSM-DCA, GRR-DCA, and MSN-DCA as well?

No, not as of yet anyways.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
Vegas has always had good loads, but that was a daytime flight. That means using and aircraft to serve a low-yield flight. NW will do okay during the peak season with a redeye flight, but in other months redeye Vegas flights out of MKE are not that attractive because there are daytime flights on Midwest.

 checkmark  Couldn't of said it better myself.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 10):
doesn't NW have 3X daily service from MKE to BOS using the CR4? Or did they drop that route as well?

MKE-BOS is long gone.

A little off subject, but NW needs to drop LAS-FAR, I've never seen such poor loads on an A319 in my life. Last Friday night there was a grand total of 8 people in coach (give or take a few) heading to LAS. Allegiant has that market covered with much lower fares. However by watching loads to the other destinations:

FNT and GRR have very good loads
DSM, and MSN are good to very good, however the Saturday DSM performs poorly (no surprise, Saturday is a low travel day and unforunately DSM is the only NW LAS city with no non-stop to Vegas on Friday).
FSD has decent loads, but could be better (FSD and DSM are Allegiant markets, MSN an ex-Allegiant market).
FAR with very poor loads.

Note: These do not indicate yields though, however I would imagine they are poor yields, especially FNT due to FL with non-stops to Vegas and because of G4 to DSM, FSD, and FAR.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:55 am

LAN-DCA is doing okay due to the government connection.

IND in the short term will not experience the cuts that happened in MKE, as NW is backfilling former ATA capacity.

106 jets will not be parked, a fraction of that will, the rest will have renegotiated leasing terms.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:07 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
I wouldn't pat YX on the back to much, these cutbacks are a result of Chapter 11, not Timmy and the boys in the Cookie Palace. NW has had to realize that they just can't dump seats into a market to try to gain market share. I'm sure we will see some more cutbacks from IND as well. Chapter 11 is going to make the big red shark look like a little red guppy by the time it is all said and done.

I disagree strongly, although I don't choose to personalize this to "Timmy and the boys". The fact is that Midwest Airlines has defended its turf in Milwaukee admirably, NW chapter 11 or not. How can I defend this assertion? Simple.

Indianapolis.

Northwest is in chapter 11 and parking up to 106 aircraft between NW and NW*, yet has trimmed Indy very little. As a matter of fact since launching Indy business markets with RJ's, they have upgraded some IND-LGA and IND-DCA flights to mainline aircraft. Northwest is dropping such significant hub routes such as Memphis-San Francisco, Detroit-Portland OR, Minneapolis-Reno and Memphis-Seattle. Yet at the same time Indianpolis is being mostly spared.

If Milwaukee were successful for Northwest, then Northwest would continue to fly these point to point routes just as they are doing in Indianapolis. Giving up on Milwaukee-LaGuardia and Milwaukee-Washington is a fatal blow to NW's viewing Milwaukee as anything more than a key spoke city.

Let's look at the most recently reported 12 month period, from 9/1/04 up to 9/1/05. Northwest's focus city operation was already over a year old, and frequencies to some key markets like LGA, BOS and DCA was being improved by downgrading to 44-seat regional jets. Northwest added markets and topped out at nearly 40 flights per day to 17 cities. Most of the growth was at Northwest Airlink using 44-seat CRJs. During this period Northwest was a fierce price competitor, among other things pushing for weeks a $178 round trip fare from Milwaukee to the east coast *during the peak summer travel season*. Norhtwest also aggressively pushed connecting and thru traffic over the Milwaukee focus city during the heavy summer travel period.

How well did Northwest fill seats during this heavy push in Milwaukee??

NW* seats and onboard passengers for MKE nonhub departures 9/1/4 through 8/31/05 (no MSP or DTW flights):

94,308 Passengers
187,016 Seats

Onboard load factor: 50.4%

And this says nothing of the dubious pricing that Northwest pushed in Milwaukee during this time.

Northwest is cutting where they are losing money. And that includes Milwaukee.

Why did Northwest fly so much empty space out of Milwaukee? It wasn't other airlines at MKE. During this same period every airline lost market share in Milwaukee except for Midwest. Some of the airlines are actually carrying fewer passengers year-over-year, much less keeping up with the growth of the airport as a whole. Northwest's failure in Milwaukee is directly due to the successful defense and even aggression of Midwest in this market.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):
LAN-DCA is doing okay due to the government connection.

IND in the short term will not experience the cuts that happened in MKE, as NW is backfilling former ATA capacity.

LAN-DCA is being dropped after January 4th.

And while NW is flying some former ATA markets to lesiure destinations, ATA did not fly from Indy to Boston, Raleigh, Hartford, Philadelphia, or Washington. The only real business market ATA had at Indy was their fairly short stint on IND-LGA.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:11 am

Now what they need to do is abandon such stupid routes like FAR-LAS and increase the freq in markets like MSP-AUS - they could use a A319 reall well on there instead of a -9-30! With B6 coming into AUS now NW might even lose share in the mkt to them and fall further behind AA, CO, and WN there!
 
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:12 am

Now what they need to do is abandon such stupid routes like FAR-LAS and increase the freq in markets like MSP-AUS - they could use a A319 really well on there instead of a DC-9-30! With B6 coming into AUS now NW might even lose share in the mkt to them and fall further behind AA, CO, and WN there!
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 16):
Now what they need to do is abandon such stupid routes like FAR-LAS

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Quoting AirRyan (Reply 16):
and increase the freq in markets like MSP-AUS - they could use a A319 reall well on there instead of a -9-30! With B6 coming into AUS now NW might even lose share in the mkt to them and fall further behind AA, CO, and WN there!

I doubt AUS is a very high priority for NW.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:16 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 18):
I doubt AUS is a very high priority for NW.

I'm suggesting AUS in particular but rather more markets such as AUS that make a lot more sense than say FAR.

AUS has grown in population by nearly two fold in the past 10 years or so and is ever steadily continuing to grow while FAR remains status quo. 3M, another large worldwide company HQ'ed in the Twin Cities has a large facility in Austin and the market is taking a huge influx of Californian migrating that when combined with those such as Dell (HQ in Round Rock, a suburb of Austin to the North,) it is becoming a very lucrative prospective market that NW would be unwise to dismiss just because of the presence of the BiG-3 commerical airlines of the State of Texas (CO,AA,WN.)

All I am saying is that if the route/city doesn't dictate the level of service it has (FAR) or even the service in general (FOD) than get the heck outta there and pour that money into a better route.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:22 am

Knope don't take anything our friend from Air Tran says seriously. He doesn't like Midwest very much. I think the Midwest pilots he lives in his crash pad with must drink all his beer while he is at work or something. I don't understand it, but hey, to each his own. I guess if you work for an airline you are supposed to hate all the others.

And thanks for all the information you post. It's nice to read some intelligent and well researched posts once in a while.

The bottom line, whether anyone likes it or not, is Midwest is still standing even after we were written off by everyone years ago when Air Tran came to MKE. Then Northwest had their build up. Is everything perfect? Hell no it isn't, but I personally like our chances of survival one hell of alot better today then I did this time last year.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 20):
The bottom line, whether anyone likes it or not, is Midwest is still standing even after we were written off by everyone years ago when Air Tran came to MKE.

That is very true. I, for one, am surprised. I didn't think you'd make it.

Well done.

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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 14):
Northwest is dropping such significant hub routes such as Memphis-San Francisco,



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 14):
Memphis-Seattle.

Is that true that Memphis to SFO and SEA are being dropped?
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:44 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 22):
Is that true that Memphis to SFO and SEA are being dropped?

It looks like it's just a seasonal cut this winter, both those routes appear to be back next spring/summer.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:51 am

cidflyer,
mem-sfo/sea are gone on the jan 4th sched change and reinstated on april 5th
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:55 am

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 20):
Knope don't take anything our friend from Air Tran says seriously. He doesn't like Midwest very much. I think the Midwest pilots he lives in his crash pad with must drink all his beer while he is at work or something. I don't understand it, but hey, to each his own. I guess if you work for an airline you are supposed to hate all the others.

I have never, ever said that I don't like Midwest. I love Midwest. I just think that Timmy is a freaking moron who has put YX in a tailspin that it will be damn near impossible to recover from. Read my posts on this website, I have never said anything bad about you guys at YX, I have slammed Tim, and the Skyway retards that are our there trying to be rampers, but I haven't ever bashed the YX employees, or their product.

And as far as my crashpad roommates drinking my beer. Good thing that one is on early reserve this month, and cant drink, the other is only spending three nights here this month, and the other is always at the SIM so my beer will be safe. Thanks for your concern.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:58 am

I'm not going to try to tell NW how to run an airline, but why this FAR-LAS run? Why are they trying to run Allegiant out of town? Who cares? Allegiant is this little carrier taking people from podunk towns to a very low-yield destination, LAS. Without trying to sound insulting, that's like Mike Tyson beating up a handicapped kid in a wheelchair.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 19):
I'm suggesting AUS in particular but rather more markets such as AUS that make a lot more sense than say FAR.

You must not know who your dealing with. Sense is not a factor.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 19):
All I am saying is that if the route/city doesn't dictate the level of service it has (FAR) or even the service in general (FOD) than get the heck outta there and pour that money into a better route.

You'ed think a bankrupt airline might think about that strategy wouldn't you.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 19):
AUS has grown in population by nearly two fold in the past 10 years or so and is ever steadily continuing to grow while FAR remains status quo. 3M, another large worldwide company HQ'ed in the Twin Cities has a large facility in Austin and the market is taking a huge influx of Californian migrating that when combined with those such as Dell (HQ in Round Rock, a suburb of Austin to the North,) it is becoming a very lucrative prospective market that NW would be unwise to dismiss just because of the presence of the BiG-3 commerical airlines of the State of Texas (CO,AA,WN.)

Your about 1000 miles South of where you need to be to get what your asking for, and your not Vegas, Los Angeles, Or anywhere in Florida.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 19):
it is becoming a very lucrative prospective market that NW would be unwise to dismiss

This alone could be their very motvation behind not upgrading.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 27):

You'ed think a bankrupt airline might think about that strategy wouldn't you.

FOD is actually doing decent, but the main thing is FOD and MCW are EAS cities.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 25):
Read my posts on this website

I have read your posts, and that's where I get the impression that you don't like Midwest. Every chance you get you seem to jump on any bad news and post it here. Whether it is Skyway rampers or not, they still work for Midwest. Like I've said before, outsourcing the Midwest ramp was the dumbest thing that we have ever done, and that includes outsourcing maintenance and that affected me personally. But no one needs to hear about every little thing that goes wrong on the ramp. That crap happens everywhere, it is definately not limited to MKE or Skyway/Midwest. Why don't you post some good AirTran stories on here. I'm sure you have some good ones. I like the one where the Midwest mechanics had to come over and reinstall an overwing exit because the F/A took it out. Where did she think she was going? Does that mean all your F/A's are idiots and like to climb on the wing when they are at the gate?

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 25):
I just think that Timmy is a freaking moron who has put YX in a tailspin that it will be damn near impossible to recover from.

Time will tell if Tim turns out to be the moron you say he is. I don't think you can blame everything on him, he sure doesn't. Maybe despite him we will survive. So far so good.

Why isn't anyone on here talking about how screwed up the MKE fuelers are since they whacked N918ME today taking it out of service. OH I know, can't blame that on Skyway rampers or Tim right? Let's give equal time to all the idiots on MKE's ramp shall we.
 
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:44 pm

Even if it's a seasonal cut... that's #2 and #3 on the list of West Coast destinations. So the only West Coast flight from MEM is LAX?
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:13 pm

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 29):
Why don't you post some good AirTran stories on here. I'm sure you have some good ones. I like the one where the Midwest mechanics had to come over and reinstall an overwing exit because the F/A took it out. Where did she think she was going? Does that mean all your F/A's are idiots and like to climb on the wing when they are at the gate?

That was a halarious event when it happend. It wasnt the first time that she had done that, but it was the last. She asked they guy in the exit row if he knew how to operate the door, he said I think so, and then she yanked the door to show him. She paid for the delay with her job.

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 29):
Why isn't anyone on here talking about how screwed up the MKE fuelers are since they whacked N918ME today

Hadn't heard about that one, can you enlighten me as to what happened, or should I ask ASIG? Accidents do happen, but it seems like the Skyway guys have them a lot more often, like the box truck under the councourse for instance.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 20):
I think the Midwest pilots he lives in his crash pad with must drink all his beer while he is at work or something.



Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 20):
I guess if you work for an airline you are supposed to hate all the others.



Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 29):
how screwed up the MKE fuelers are since they whacked N918ME today taking it out of service.



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 31):
Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 29):
Why don't you post some good AirTran stories on here. I'm sure you have some good ones. I like the one where the Midwest mechanics had to come over and reinstall an overwing exit because the F/A took it out. Where did she think she was going? Does that mean all your F/A's are idiots and like to climb on the wing when they are at the gate?

That was a halarious event when it happend. It wasnt the first time that she had done that, but it was the last. She asked they guy in the exit row if he knew how to operate the door, he said I think so, and then she yanked the door to show him. She paid for the delay with her job.

Damn, you two.. I need to start hanging out at MKE more often. Seems like it can get quite fun and funny over there... Personally, I like both airlines. I have flown on countless AirTran 717s and 2 Midwest 717s (Midwest doesn't really go where I need to go, but I think they are a GREAT airline nonetheless, having recieved SUPERB service on them from MSY-MCI-MSY). I'm going to ask my best friend about the flight attendant incident and see if he knew who she was. That is pretty funny. and stupid. She should have known that if he says anything other than "YES" to re-seat him. Not demonstrate. That is what the safety card and sticker are for, LOL!!!. GOD, YOU GOTTA LOVE THIS INDUSTRY!!!. Oh, BTW -- Did AirTran thank the Midwest Mechanics by paying for the drinks that night?  Wink
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:46 pm

I just got back home from an all day mileage run on NW. One of the NW agents was nice enough to spend some time with me this evening talking about the state of affairs with NW and IND. I like many thought IND would be on the chopping blocks. Apparently this is not the case. I am running on fumes so I will try and rehash as much as possible.

What follows below will have to do with what the judge approves.

IND will be a NW base along with DTW, MSP, SFO, BOS I think and another coastal city. I might be missing another coastal city. When the list was given to me I said "MEM" thinking the person forgot it. No. MEM will no longer be a NW base. It will be a main operation for Pinnacle. MEM will be left with a handfull of mainline flights.

The plan is to use IND as a long haul base. Long haul being longer than 3 hours. But it would not include wide body service since the "A" side cannot support an A330 and the DC10's are going to be parked. The plan is to park the DC9s which will thin out INDs service for a bit but equipment will be replaced with things like A319's and 757's. There will still be Pinnacle service and possibly new RJ service provided by Chautauqua in the bigger RJ's (70 to 90 seat?).

I asked if NW was going to cut gate space. I was told that they actually want more space but doesn't look likely that they will get it. I know when I arrived tonight there were NW jets all over the place. It is so bad that they've split up A5, A6, A7 and A8 into A5A/B, A6A/B, A7A/B, A8A/B.

Also if you notice in the schedule NW is going back to a 2nd daily to MCO and a 2nd daily to LAS.

Basically if the judge gives NW what they want IND will be a mini hub for NW. Mini hub is the word that was used. It could be the same as a focus city. Not exactly sure what the person meant.

Clear as mud? Sorry I'm a bit tired just in case some of that didn't make sense.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:21 pm

Now, if NW gets all the savings they want from BK and makes their costs equal to LCCs it could get interesting again.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:25 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 30):
Even if it's a seasonal cut... that's #2 and #3 on the list of West Coast destinations. So the only West Coast flight from MEM is LAX?

MEM-LAS and PHX are still around.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 32):
Oh, BTW -- Did AirTran thank the Midwest Mechanics by paying for the drinks that night?

All the money goes right to Tim I think. Just another part of the job. AirTran works on our planes at outstations all the time. It's funny how airlines are in such tight competition but at the same time always help each other out. I guess it's for money.

As for the fuel truck hitting 918ME the fueler just backed into the leading edge of the wing. How, I don't know, but as strong as an airplane is, they are no match for a fuel truck. Hope we can get it fixed before tomorrow morning. Don't have any spare 717's laying around to take it's place.
 
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 36):
As for the fuel truck hitting 918ME the fueler just backed into the leading edge of the wing. How, I don't know, but as strong as an airplane is, they are no match for a fuel truck. Hope we can get it fixed before tomorrow morning. Don't have any spare 717's laying around to take it's place.

That's what I had heard this morning. I de-ice at ASIG on the side and they were all anal about backing up and having a guide person. Did you guys get it fixed for the morning push?
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 36):
It's funny how airlines are in such tight competition but at the same time always help each other out. I guess it's for money.

Funny you should mention that. I just came back from the YX hangar picking up some rivet to send to our mechanics in ATL. YX and FL have a great parts sharing agreement. I have picked up pretty much every electronic part for the 717 from YX at one time or another and sent it to ATL, and I know YX borrows a lot of parts from us. I guess that's what happens when you have a fleet of orphan airplanes.

By the way, 918 was still in the hangar when I was there at 1445, it was the only airplane in the hangar.
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RE: NW Trims MKE Further

Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:08 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 38):
By the way, 918 was still in the hangar when I was there at 1445, it was the only airplane in the hangar.

918 will be out all day today and most likely tomorrow. We are still waiting for a repair approval from Boeing. Maybe we can get some free fuel for our inconvenience.

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