GVWOW
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Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:16 am

Lufty has not installed PTVs in Y-class of any of their aircraft, even the A346, though they are competitive airline in all other areas. Their only planes that have them are a couple old A330s bought from SWISS. Does anyone know why this is? Are they strapped for cash or do they plan to install a super-modern system superior to all other airlines' systems?. I haven't been able to find much information on this.

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting GVWOW (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why this is?

Probably because they are a lame retarded airline which doesn't give a rat's ass about Economy Class passengers... just a guess.

Uh oh, the carpet is on fire, I have to go.  

Patrick

[Edited 2005-11-12 23:31:12]
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting GVWOW (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why this is? Are they strapped for cash or do they plan to install a super-modern system superior to all other airlines' systems?.

I think the real reason is that they don't feel the need to offer a good economy product. LH beyond any other airline seems to have a lot of contracts to fill up their planes. I don't know if they just do a lot of corporate contracts or what, but I rarely see LH offer those deep discounted economy tickets like many other airlines. LH simply doesn't need PTVs to get a full economy cabin. PTV entertainment systems are heavy and expensive. It is not just a one time expenditure in order to get them; an airline has to maintain them and slug all that extra weight around (a few hundred pounds usually) that could be used for more valuable cargo.
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:09 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Probably because they are a lame retarded airline which doesn't give a rat's ass about Economy Class passengers... just a guess.

This coming from a "Forum Moderator"... How exactly does a statement like this constitute moderating? Very mature.

RoseFlyer hit it right on the nose. It's a huge expense and our planes are already packed in Y, even with limited low-bucket fares available. Thus, it's difficult to warrant the huge expense of retrofitting the older planes with PTVs.

LH has chosen in the last couple of years to focus its service improvements on the premium traveler. We've implemented innovations (First Class Terminal, Private Jet, Executive Business Jet, new business seat, FlyNet etc..) and the fanfare has been amazing. That doesn't mean however that we don't care about the economy passenger. As a business, you have to make investments that will yield the highest gains. To spend huge amounts of money on PTVs for economy class is a huge undertaking in expense and effort.

However, PTVs will be included in economy on the A380 (this is confirmed, not hearsay) and the plan right now is install PTVs on the existing A340-600 and A333 fleet after the re-fit for the new business class in completed on the rest of the fleet.



[Edited 2005-11-13 00:22:34]
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
However, PTVs will be included in economy on the A380 (this is confirmed, not hearsay) and the plan right now is install PTVs on the existing A340-600 and A333 fleet after the re-fit for the new business class in completed on the rest of the fleet.

Any ideas when this is likely to be?
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):

Probably because they are a lame retarded airline which doesn't give a rat's ass about Economy Class passengers... just a guess.

Ya huh, lame retarded airline that always seems to fill Eco  Wink
You are correct in a way, they do care for their premium passengers much better than those of cattle class.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Uh oh, the carpet is on fire, I have to go.

Did I mention we no longer have carpet, but rather tile floors.  Wink
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
This coming from a "Forum Moderator"... How exactly does a statement like this constitute moderating?

Is a forum moderator not allowed to have an opinion about an airline?

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
Very mature.

And the truth.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
LH has chosen in the last couple of years to focus its service improvements on the premium traveler.

I already wrote that in reply #2, my phrasing was just a bit different:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Probably because they are a lame retarded airline which doesn't give a rat's ass about Economy Class passengers...

Patrick
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:29 am

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 4):
Any ideas when this is likely to be?

Unfortunately, I'm not privy to the exact start dates for the PTV re-fit, but I have heard that it will be in line with the introduction of the A380 - so still a couple of years away. PTVs will certainly not be introduced before the new business class project is completed because of fleet demand issues. Unfortunately, the complete date for the new seat is constantly being adjusted because of software problems with systems that run the seat and IFE. While these kinks are being worked out, our planes will continue to have the FlyNet Connexion by Boeing product installed.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Probably because they are a lame retarded airline which doesn't give a rat's ass about Economy Class passengers... just a guess.



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 26):
Exactly, so when you see a post which is offensive in your view, then simply suggest deletion instead of replying in the same manner than the user you don't agree with, such a situation will always result in a flamefest!

...just remembering another thread...

 Confused

pelican

BTW Aren't there other ways of expressing your maybe well-reasoned dislike for LH?
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
Is a forum moderator not allowed to have an opinion about an airline?

Opinions are one thing. A moderator using words like "lame" and "retarded" to explain his point of view is contradictory and hardely exemplifies the intended duties of a moderator.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:50 am

well years ago when the first airliners installed PTV´s in ECO, LH justified it with payload restrictions on the longer long-haul routes like to SIN, EZE etc etc... it would be a weight increasing of 5Tons with the effect of nearly 0 payload for cargo on that routes.... but yes its time, LH should install the PTV´s...

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
BTW Aren't there other ways of expressing your maybe well-reasoned dislike for LH?

No.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 9):
A moderator using words like "lame" and "retarded" to explain his point of view is contradictory and hardely exemplifies the intended duties of a moderator.

Are "lame" and "retarded" really such bad words? And as ascertained in reply #6, actually do we agree, or not?

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:56 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 9):
A moderator using words like "lame" and "retarded" to explain his point of view is contradictory and hardely exemplifies the intended duties of a moderator.

Bollocks, it was delicious.
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:59 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
However, PTVs will be included in economy on the A380 (this is confirmed, not hearsay) and the plan right now is install PTVs on the existing A340-600 and A333 fleet after the re-fit for the new business class in completed on the rest of the fleet.

Really?? This is quite big news!

Everybody here is always asking if LH is going to put PTV's on the A380 or not!

Good to hear the 346 and 333 are going to have them too.
But what about the 744's and 343's?...

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:23 am

There's just an indent in the seat...quite depressing.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 13):
But what about the 744's and 343's?...

You want to bet the 343's are gone withn the next 10 yrs and the 744's 15? Not worth the investment, IMO.
Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 15):
You want to bet the 343's are gone withn the next 10 yrs and the 744's 15? Not worth the investment, IMO.

isnt 10 and 15 years more than a long time for an aicraft, its the regular half lifetime of an new aircraft.
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 15):
You want to bet the 343's are gone withn the next 10 yrs and the 744's 15? Not worth the investment, IMO.

10/15 years is a long time in an aircraft life!
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 17):
10/15 years is a long time in an aircraft life!

It'll be interesting to see how those planes age. I'd imagine they'll be better than what we now call old.
Thank you for the clarification by the way. It helped immensely.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Uh oh, the carpet is on fire, I have to go.

It's a shame about that mousepad, isn't it! Wink Wink Wink
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:06 am

Perhaps LH takes their passengers for adult enough to spend a day without TV  confused  confused  confused  confused 

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:46 pm

Quoting A350 (Reply 19):
Perhaps LH takes their passengers for adult enough to spend a day without TV

Hey there, I consider myself an adult, yet somehow I cannot go through an 8 hour daylight flight doing "adult" activities such as read and whatnot. Movies help pass the time, and it is nice to be able to choose what you want as well as get a good view without straining your neck. From my own experience, I have seen plenty of people from all different demographics use and enjoy PTVs on flights. It isn't a case of whether or not people want the PTVs it is a question of whether or not the cost is worth it and can generate enough extra revenue to cover the cost.

I actually am the type of person that would go for a UA codeshare (on a 767 or 777) rather than fly LH in economy (though it can be a tossup in the premium cabins).
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:42 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
I actually am the type of person that would go for a UA codeshare (on a 767 or 777) rather than fly LH in economy (though it can be a tossup in the premium cabins).

The same as I do! Always looking for an opportunity to fly codeshare (e.g in the Star network) to get my miles but not have to sit in the terrible LH eco cabin WITHOUT PTVs. But ok, LT is even worse...
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:02 pm

I have flown a lot with LH FRA-MIA, FRA-ATL and FRA-JFK. Economy class provides good basic service on this reliable airline. I does lack those small things that SQ provides for their economy passengers.

Lately I've done SQ25/26 on FRA-JFK to get my own AVOD TV and that extra attention from FA's - pricing is about the same.
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:11 pm

Quoting A350 (Reply 19):
Perhaps LH takes their passengers for adult enough to spend a day without TV

LH also have children on his flights, what is with this pax?

Not every pax could read 10 hours a book or newspaper, a PTV to pass the time on a long time is a great thing, a LH made a big mistake, when they decide to install no PTV on their long haul fleet.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:30 pm

Hello,

this is the 1000th thread about the same topic ! Meanwhile I stopped reading those stupid replies by Sabena332 (what a strange name without connection to aviation) and others (mainly from this country), who have nothing else to do than complain about one of the best and most profitables airlines in the world.

LH is much more innovative than others, please see the BBJ, Internet onboard, 1st Class Terminal in FRA and MUC, etc.

LH is successful, reliable, has a young fleet, well trained and motivated people and is profitable and without debts.

Beside, it's a great place to work at ! Even after 9/11 not thousands of people were layed-off. OK, we stored some aircraft, did not get pay increase for 2 years but everybody was kept onboard. Please look at what happened at i e BA and all North American airlines.

BTW : To my knowledge it's not yet decided wthether the A380 will be equipped with PTV in Eco or not. As stated in an earlier reply, they need maintanance and the weight has to be considered as well. We prefer to transport cargo instead of dead weight.

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:32 pm

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 5):
You are correct in a way, they do care for their premium passengers much better than those of cattle class.

Shouldn't come as surprise, premium passengers pay premium fares.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 3):
LH has chosen in the last couple of years to focus its service improvements on the premium traveler. We've implemented innovations (First Class Terminal, Private Jet, Executive Business Jet, new business seat, FlyNet etc..) and the fanfare has been amazing.

True, LH has always been innovative: Car service, check in, Internet, business jet ...
Sure, they could be even better; whether or not it would be a financially wise decision to implement those improvements is another question.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 9):
Opinions are one thing. A moderator using words like "lame" and "retarded" to explain his point of view is contradictory and hardely exemplifies the intended duties of a moderator.


Moderators are entitled to express their opinions but at the same time they should set a good examle rather than intentionally setting "carpets on fire", as Patrick has called it.


Off topic, but nevertheless (and to crack Patrick up ) :
After all those years and flights I came across only two rude Lufthansa F/As. Compared to BA or even the old Swiss Air let alone Sabena (the airline not the moderator ) I found them almost always friendlier than others.

What I especially like at LH is that their product is reliably above average (not really great, but above average). Transatlantic flights with BA are great (lot's of competitors), but better don't dare to expect the same product on routes that are exclusively served by BA. It really can be a nasty experience.
I once met a family with one young daughter. They flew to Africa on Swiss Air but missed their connection flight at Zurich, were then diverted to CDG to catch an AF flight to their destination, but they missed that flight too, because Swiss Air failed to inform Air France and to ask them to wait for the additional three passengers.
None of the two premium airlines showed some consideration and organised a hotel for the stranded family.
I still believe Lufthansa would have handled the situation differently, in other words: better and more professional.

[Edited 2005-11-13 11:36:55]
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airevents
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:28 pm

I agree in saying that a moderator should moderate himself a bit. It has been so many threads now where I was able to read Sabena332s comments on LH. Whenever LH is mentioned, the bashing begins from his side. In my opinion LH offers a similar or better product than many European carriers, in particular in Business and First, but also in Economy. Look at free drinks and food on European flights, where others only sell stuff. Let us not speak of the North American where you do not even get a free drink on a longhaul flight or have to pay for a pillow. Negative criticism is fine when there is a reason, but not at any price.

This becomes indeed a bit annoying.

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:42 pm

I flew LH many times. There is no doubt it is one of the most profitable airline in the world. I also agree they have an excellent first and business class service. But I think their economy service is not up to date compared to airlines like SQ or SK... I think it is not fair to just modify sections which are expensive and exclusive. I can not afford the money to fly business or first all the time even I`d love to. So why shouldn`t I change to a better product which is offered to me at the same price and criticize the strategy of LH to just improve premium services which fills only one third of their planes and leave the rest of their customers on the way?

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:42 pm

Quote:
Lcagmdeleven

LH is successful, reliable, has a young fleet, well trained and motivated people and is profitable and without debts.

Well, do your work for Lufty or how come, you seem to get such a great experience other's obviosly don't???

Quote:
Beside, it's a great place to work at !...

Oh - yes you do! What a surprise... Wink

Well, to be realistic. LH isn't by far the worst carrier around. But that's about it. Their main advantage is their somewhat well organized hub in FRA - transfers in CDG and LHR (I just did it twice this year) are far worse. But their service attitude always makes me look for an alternative - not just in Y-Class (where the service is with no doubts the worst). Even their C-Class wasn't at all exciting - even though I have to admit, that was two years ago in their old craddle seats.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 5):
You are correct in a way, they do care for their premium passengers much better than those of cattle class.

Don't they have a right to do that. Business pays around 3 times more and brings the money (+ First if they have it).
Economy is no money cow , is it?

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:32 am

The real problem are the stupid German flying public. They fly LH (espc. on long-haul) no matter what, paying high fares and "enjoying" a sub-standard product in Y class.

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
Beside, it's a great place to work at ! Even after 9/11 not thousands of people were layed-off. OK, we stored some aircraft, did not get pay increase for 2 years but everybody was kept onboard. Please look at what happened at i e BA and all North American airlines.

I beg your pardon?  no 
LH is about the worst big employers of today. In case you haven't noticed, LH is not recruiting it's own personell anymore. They only recruit 3rd party workers from firms like Addecco and others. If I were you I'd get used to the idea that I (you) will be outsourced in the next 5-7 years and ALL of your benefits, including the right to use the parking lots, will be revoked. I could name you about 2 dozen people that deserve a very severe beating from the LH (and more so non-LH!!!) workforce (or human-capital as we call it today).
And "kept on board"??? Tell that to all the trainees that only got contracts from AviationPower or no contract at all. They fill more than one cargo-bay of a MD-11!

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
We prefer to transport cargo instead of dead weight.

 listen  Anyone still in doubt what LH calls their Y-pax?

Quoting Airevents (Reply 26):
In my opinion LH offers a similar or better product than many European carriers, in particular in Business and First, but also in Economy. Look at free drinks and food on European flights, where others only sell stuff.

Well, most people I know (including all us academics) cannot afford to fly Business, let alone First. And nobody needs peanuts on a 1-2 hour flight, now no IFE on long-haul is acompletely different story.

It's those yuppie snobs like you that ... whatever, not worth the effort.
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 9):
Opinions are one thing. A moderator using words like "lame" and "retarded" to explain his point of view is contradictory and hardely exemplifies the intended duties of a moderator.

I see nothing wrong with Sabena's remarks. Last time I checked, I think a moderator is allowed to join a discussion and voice his opinion whether you all agree with him or not. Also, it is not your duty to be moderating the moderators.

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
this is the 1000th thread about the same topic ! Meanwhile I stopped reading those stupid replies by Sabena332 (what a strange name without connection to aviation) and others (mainly from this country), who have nothing else to do than complain about one of the best and most profitables airlines in the world.

What was stupid about his replies, Sabena can say what he want and so can you. Why don't we argue if we are going to, over this subject, not Sabena. And btw, I am not sure if you are being sarcastic but Sabena has a tie to aviation just so you know...
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
Meanwhile I stopped reading those stupid replies by Sabena332 (what a strange name without connection to aviation)

How's a username relevant to this thread?

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
and others (mainly from this country), who have nothing else to do than complain about one of the best and most profitables airlines in the world.

People complain about their Eco product and not about profits - and that's absolutely justified.
And IMO, "the best airlines" are those which care about Eco pax...

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):

LH is much more innovative than others, please see the BBJ, Internet onboard, 1st Class Terminal in FRA and MUC, etc.

As an Eco flyer, I couldn't care less.

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
LH is successful, reliable, has a young fleet, well trained and motivated people and is profitable and without debts.

Others are also successful, reliable, have well-trained and motivated staff. Just as a sidenote - LH's fleet is older than most main competitors' fleets.

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
Please look at what happened at i e BA and all North American airlines.

You seriously compare Lufthansa to North American carriers? Well, where exactly did 9/11 happen?

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
We prefer to transport cargo instead of dead weight.

Dead weight which has become standard in the industry, even among those carriers which also focus on cargo.


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MarshalN
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
LH is much more innovative than others, please see the BBJ, Internet onboard, 1st Class Terminal in FRA and MUC, etc.

Yeah, they have Private Jets and all that, but I don't care. Does it matter to the average flying public whether LH is innovative in the high end stuff? I fly economy most of the time, and honestly, LH's economy product sucks. I was on a transatlantic flight recently. Seat pitch was terrible, and overall the flight was not a very pleasant experience. I have had much, much better.

And talk about terminals -- it was ok, it's not great. I guess I'm spoiled with great airports like HKG, but seriously, it's nothing to write home about.
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
this is the 1000th thread about the same topic !

Easy solution: Hit the suggest deletion button, mark the "Double / Topic discussed to death" field, type in your username and your password and hit the "Post suggestion" button.

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
Meanwhile I stopped reading those stupid replies by Sabena332

Apparently you didn't.

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
(what a strange name without connection to aviation)

You're kidding, right?

Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
LH is much more innovative than others, please see the BBJ, Internet onboard, 1st Class Terminal in FRA and MUC, etc.

Irrelevant since this discussion is about their crappy Economy Class without PTV's.

Quoting Airevents (Reply 26):
Whenever LH is mentioned, the bashing begins from his side.

Simply skip my replies when you don't like them.

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 33):
LH's economy product sucks. I was on a transatlantic flight recently. Seat pitch was terrible, and overall the flight was not a very pleasant experience.

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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 34):
Quoting Lcagmdeleven (Reply 24):
(what a strange name without connection to aviation)

You're kidding, right?

My reaction exactly  Smile

Someone needs to study up their airline business history
 
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RE: Lufthansa PTVs?

Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:02 am

Being LH Senator for several years now, always avoided LH metal (although flying out of SVO, LH offers the best connections to anywhere). Flying to US out of SVO always changing planes in FRA to UA or SQ and limiting long flights on LH to a minimum.

LH's economy product is just CRAP (seat pitch, meals, majority of F/As, no PTV and etc.) Speaking of premium services, I would say the same crap. We all know LH's old business class (it is better not to offer ptvs in old business class seats as you will need a magnifying glass to watch something). New business class seats ptvs are simply not working.

Only good thing about LH service is their F class product, although it is getting old too...

LH realizing that its miles and more members are using more and more code shared flights, especially in Y class, limited 25% extra bonus miles from all *A flights to OS, LO, UA, US and AC
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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos