jumbojet
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Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:10 am

Nothing posted on this yet? I didnt see anything and found it interesting that Delta has already begun courting China and U.S. officials on the prospect of beginning ATL to PEK service for 2008. 2008 appears to be when the next round of slots will be awarded to China. Here is a few sentences from the article I found most interesting.

"Last week, Delta opened a sales office in Beijing, its first in China, and executives plan to open offices in Shanghai and Guangzhou early next year. Delta has also helped China's aviation administration develop routes over the North Pole and has helped train Chinese administrators and pilots."

Also, by the year 2012 it is anticipated that there will be little to no profit available for U.S. to China routes, so hopefully DL can lock up one of these slots ASAP
 
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:52 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Thread starter):
Also, by the year 2012 it is anticipated that there will be little to no profit available for U.S. to China routes, so hopefully DL can lock up one of these slots ASAP

What ever become of the Northwest Airlines Detroit to Peking slot? Was it transfered to Tokyo?

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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:21 pm

The only problem is Delta charming China will do zero for their chances to be awarded rights to service the country.
The ones they need to charm are the folks over at the DOT whom deside by designating which US carriers can serve China.
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:53 pm

Quoting Jumbojet (Thread starter):
Also, by the year 2012 it is anticipated that there will be little to no profit available for U.S. to China routes, so hopefully DL can lock up one of these slots ASAP

What do you mean by this statement?
Most Asian routes, when properly marketed, can make a good chunk of revenue and profits.

Hopefully, there will be more frequencies between US-China by 2008.
Nevertheless with DL moving the 764 to int'l routes will free up a couple or more of its precious 777s for Asian flying out of ATL. DL will continue to be a minor player on the transpacific routes with only 8 worthy aircraft.
Hopefully they can get their act together in BK and go out and order more 777s or 787s.
 
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:55 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
What do you mean by this statement?
Most Asian routes, when properly marketed, can make a good chunk of revenue and profits.

If Delta doesn't win the China route in 2008, they will keep trying, however, the international cash cow that is now in existence may not last long. Five years from now, there will be more airlines flying internationally, and these rich routes will be break-even at best for many airlines.
 
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:56 pm

 
midex461
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:37 pm

The major problem is, I don't think DL will be around in 08. They keep tapping the pilots as their ATM, and the DL MEC has had enough.
Here's what's gonna happen in the next few weeks:
DL will have the BK court throw out the pilot contract, and the MEC will go on strike, devastating DL in their current shape, and by this time next year, they will have liquidated.

Now, for those who will undoubtedly flame me for this, I hope I'm wrong. My father is a pilot for DL.
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:49 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
Nevertheless with DL moving the 764 to int'l routes will free up a couple or more of its precious 777s for Asian flying out of ATL. DL will continue to be a minor player on the transpacific routes with only 8 worthy aircraft.

Delta still has 5 777s on order that have been deferred till 2008/2009 and another 20 options; by the time they get around to servicing the PRC, they should have more than just the 8 (assuming of course, they get out of Ch.11, etc.)

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 6):
DL will have the BK court throw out the pilot contract, and the MEC will go on strike, devastating DL in their current shape, and by this time next year, they will have liquidated.

Don't worry, if the pilots do walk, you can expect almost an immediate shutdown; no need to wait until this time next year.
 
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:02 pm

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 6):
Now, for those who will undoubtedly flame me for this, I hope I'm wrong. My father is a pilot for DL.

So now it comes out, and remember bitterness dries the bones.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
Don't worry, if the pilots do walk, you can expect almost an immediate shutdown

That would be my guess as well. Each day they park their planes, is another nail in the coffin.
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 1):
What ever become of the Northwest Airlines Detroit to Peking slot? Was it transfered to Tokyo?

Northwest was flying 4 weekly Detroit-Shanghai and 3 weekly Detroit-Beijing. On the days the Detroit flight wasn't operated, service was offered from Tokyo Narita. A few years ago Northwest switched to a daily flight to both from Tokyo Narita.
 
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Thread starter):
2008 appears to be when the next round of slots will be awarded to China.

If I recall correctly, the next round is 2007, but I think might be one in 2008, too. The article mentions the slot being before the 2008 Olympics, which could be the 2007 or the 2008 allotment. But (me being somewhat biased) CO, who has applied for the same authority (in their case, EWR-PVG), is the frontrunner. CO is a little more stable, and I think there is more NYC demand that ATL. Plus, ATL is a little out of the way for many for a polar route like this.
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RE: Delta Out To Charm China

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:31 pm

For all the talk of capitalism and free market economy... isn't it ironic along with oil business, airlines industry is probably the next most protected and in many ways artificially regulated business in the world. Why isn't it that in the year almost 2006 airlines still need to court bureaucrats and not allowed to freely fly to any destination. Let market economics decide the winners and loosers!
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