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B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:40 am

What exactly was the point of the B772LR record flight to Heathrow? It carried only 35 passengers mainly journalists carrying no baggage, sitting on board having nothing to do. Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back. This does not prove the point it makes sense to fly super longhaul or that the economics add up.

Debating if this should be in a poll forum but do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure or a waste of time for Boeing?

To my knowledge no major tests were completed? (Could be wrong, please let me know if there were) They did make a point that the B772LR can fly with little self loading cargo longer distances than the B744 did under the same conditions. Perhaps.... with more fuel? (someone help me out with this one?)

- No new orders before and after the flight
- No new operators took a look at the aircraft

With the B772LR in flight at the same time Airbus took the A388 to Australia which I believe stole a lot of press away from Boeing.

What do you think Boeing could have gained from this flight?
What do you suppose Boeing was trying to gain by completing this flight?
Do you suppose there will be any surprises in the coming weeks? months? even years?
Is Boeing afraid of doing the same flight with a full load? (Aircraft issues? Safety issues? No interesting events worth presenting the B772LR?)
Is Boeing part of Bush's campaign to poison the Earth by wasting as much fuel as they can for no reasons whatsoever?

 

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:47 am

LOL
hmm this thread looks like some other thread I saw not so long ago

nice...!

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:48 am

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2436087/a


. . . it's good to see you are not being transparent. . .  sarcastic 


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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:48 am

There was already a thread where the merits (or lack thereof) of the record breaking flight were discussed... at length. That said, it's clear that you're just duplicating the A380 thread. It's possible it could have actually led to interesting conversation, but that is clearly not what you have in mind since that topic is already actively being discussed. Always mature to respond to something you don't like by duplicating the behavior  yuck 
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 2):
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...neral_aviation/read.main/2436087/a


. . . it's good to see you are not being transparent. . . sarcastic


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Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 4):
¨why do you think he started this thread...?

Petty anger and immaturity. Why do YOU think he started it?
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 3):
There was already a thread where the merits (or lack thereof) of the record breaking flight were discussed... at length. That said, it's clear that you're just duplicating the A380 thread. It's possible it could have actually led to interesting conversation, but that is clearly not what you have in mind since that topic is already actively being discussed. Always mature to respond to something you don't like by duplicating the behavior

I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 5):
Petty anger and immaturity. Why do YOU think he started it?

lol whatever you say. I think the other thread about the A380 was started because some people found an earlier thread about the 772LR provoking because the thread starter questioned the importance of the record flight.. I hope that answers your question lol..
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".

They are indeed valid and deserve some serious answers
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:01 am

This point was made in the A380 bashing thread. Over-doing a joke makes it obnoxious.
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:01 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".

I'm not going to hang around here and argue with you (which is what you want I suspect). If you read through this thread (which you probably already did), you'll see that pretty much all of those questions were discussed.
Boeing 777-200LR Breaks Longest Flight Record (by Darrenthe747 Nov 10 2005 in Civil Aviation)a

I don't believe for a second (and probably nobody really does) that you started this thread to stimulate conversation and ask honest questions. But hey, maybe I'm just cynical.
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
LOL
hmm this thread looks like some other thread I saw not so long ago

nice...!

I was waiting for this one to come out too!  Smile
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:05 am

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 11):
I was waiting for this one to come out too! Smile

It's hilarious Big grin some people take things way too seriously lol
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions.

Yes - that was already discussed just last week. We all know that was not the point of you starting this thread, but the fact you got jealous/angry/whatever over the stupid and petty A380 tour thread, and decided the best thing to do was the exact same thing. . .

However, if you choose to pretend that wasn't the reason, then:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
What exactly was the point of the B772LR record flight to Heathrow?

To break a distance, and more importantly, durance record for an aircraft of its size and weight.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back.

I'd like to see "anyone" try.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
This does not prove the point it makes sense to fly super longhaul or that the economics add up.

It was not meant to, that is the airline's job. If an airline asks a manufacturer to build an aircraft with X amount of range, it is not for that manufacturer to say, "Well, you know, you really don't need that, all you really need is X-20%"

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure

It broke the records it was after with no problems, so that would be a resounding "NO"

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
To my knowledge no major tests were completed? (could be wrong, please let me know if there were)

Depends on what you describe as "major." As to normal flight tests, yes, you are wrong.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
-No new orders before and after the flight (B772LR orders)

Did you expect them to land at Heathrow and have 10 airline accountants waiting for them? FWIW, both EY and EK are expected to announce 772LR deals next week at Dubai.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
-No new operators took a look at the aircraft

So the fact that a Singapore Airlines pilot was among those on board went right over your head, did it?


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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:10 am

I have not for a second believed Boeing have acheived anything but bad press. If you read what the journalists had to say post flight, they pretty much agreed it was unbearable to be confined in an economy seat for 20+ hours. It was a Guiness World Record but only there to put potential flyers off flying ultra longhaul.

SQ have had the B772 for a long time and was widely expected to dump the A345 for a "large" (5 maybe?) B772LR order. It attracted no other airline attention. Afterall aircraft orders are not judged by being onboard but working the numbers in an office.

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:11 am

OK,
Queue the A. vs B. Flamefest in 3...2...1...

Could we all grow up and stop trying to polarize everyone immediately with our thread titles?
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:12 am

No new order for the T7-LR AFAIK, neither for the 388.......

Love this thread though  Wink

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:13 am

Cloudyapple

you have been accused of the heinous crime of having a sense of humour - how do you plead ? ( don't bother throwing yourself on the mercy of some of the humourless @#$% on this board - they wont even give themselves a break so they definitely wont give you one )
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
It carried only 35 passengers mainly journalists carrying no baggage, sitting on board having nothing to do. Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back.

LOL
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:23 am

If I was Boeing I would fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage the same flight they did years ago with the B744 from Sydney to Heathrow and back.

Then I'd fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage from Singapore to New York then back to Bangkok.

Then I'd fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage from Dubai to Los Angeles then back to Abu Dhabi.

That will certainly sell a few aircraft.  Smile

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:26 am

kiwi,
it's an absolutely hilarious post...IF you've read the previous A380 failure/waste of time thread. IF you didn't see that one first, than this one just looks inflammatory.

You're right though. I was probably a bit severe and should have immediately recognized CloudyApple was being sarcastic, rather than tit-for-tat. I plead guilty of excessive uptightness.
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
Cloudyapple

you have been accused of the heinous crime of having a sense of humour - how do you plead ? ( don't bother throwing yourself on the mercy of some of the humourless @#$% on this board - they wont even give themselves a break so they definitely wont give you one )



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 19):
If I was Boeing I would fly 301 journalists and dignities with baggage the same flight they did years ago with the B744 from Sydney to Heathrow and back. That will certainly sell a few aircraft. (5 maybe?)

Kiwiandrew, I believe you are giving Cloudyapple too much credit with the 'sense of humour' line. He is coming accross anti Boeing/USA and vindictive to the point of bitterness.

I say good on Boeing and whoever else in the Aviation Industry who revives and maintains the magic and mystic of flight. Setting records is all part of the 'romance' of Aviation and a lot of the reason why we are all so passionate about Aircraft.
Pull your head in Cloudyapple and all the others who forget why we love aviation so much
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:33 am

Yes this is meant to be a serious but fun topic! I wasn't trying to dumb down the LR or provoke AvB arguments, but provoke discussions as to why Boeing flew the LR just to break the record.

Come on, post your views on the topic, not about the topic!
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 20):
I plead guilty of excessive uptightness.

sentence suspended for 90 days - please do not re-offend or we may have to make an example of you Big grin

PS - I notice from your profile that you would rather be in New Zealand - as I sit here in BRU with winter closing in - and a bad case of the ( hopefully-not-avian) flu I find myself in agreement with you - I wanna go home
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:38 am

This was a PR stunt. I'm sure this wasn't the first PR stunt in the history of aviation  Smile. Who in their right mind would take a 23 hour flight considering these bullcrap seat configurations. Its a different story if you are working with a 20" seat with a 40" pitch. But there is nothing fun about a 17" seat with a 31" pitch for 23 hours. Isn't that unhealthy?
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:39 am

Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 21):
'romance' of Aviation

Boeing doesn't exist to create romance. Wake up. Those are the days long gone. They did the record flight to entice the airlines of the aircraft's capability, capture as much PR as they can, upstage another aviation event in Singapore and Australia, all the while trying to sell a few aircraft.

They could have done it much more properly by choosing a realistic payload and a route shadowing potential LR application to demonstrate the aircraft's capability.
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:42 am

agree,
I live in Upstate NY. I'm leaving for San Carlos, Mexico in 3 weeks to winter there until the end of Feb. I'd rather be in NZ, but I can't afford to fly back and forth every 4 weeks, like I can from Mexico.

Did you know that NZ was the first international sale for Boeing? Truth be told, it was really the first commercial sale of any kind for Bill.
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:46 am

Cloudyapple, romance is emotion. Emotion is used by Marketeers to provoke interest. While you are correct Boeing is in the Business to make money, they do use Marketing to help achieve this and this is one way how.

By the way, even if your not emotionally involved with Aviation, I and thousands of others are. The romance of flight is not gone at all, at least, not to those who are here for the enjoyment of Aviation  bouncy 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 25):
They could have done it much more properly by choosing a realistic payload and a route shadowing potential LR application to demonstrate the aircraft's capability.

I agree with that statement and I think the HKG-LHR route was pointless. Another option would have been AKL-LHR. That would have been longer than the 744 flight
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 26):
Did you know that NZ was the first international sale for Boeing?

wow - way off topic - but I may just have to add you to my respected user list for that - not a lot of people know about the B&V seaplanes bought by the Walshe Bros flying school - there is a rumour which surfaces every few years that they are stored in the tunnels under Mt Victoria in Devonport - but never any proof - personally I think it is wishful thinking - but it would be nice - I imagine Boeing would love them for the museum - just over 37 years ago when NZ's domestic predecessor NAC took delivery of it's first 737 Boeing had a replica of the seaplane at the handover ceremony .
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 25):
They could have done it much more properly by choosing a realistic payload and a route shadowing potential LR application to demonstrate the aircraft's capability.

Oh, you're serious. Damn. I was hoping it was a joke in response to the other thread.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Debating if this should be in a poll forum but do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure or a waste of time for Boeing?



Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
What do you think Boeing could have gained from this flight?



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 14):
I have not for a second believed Boeing have acheived anything but bad press. If you read what the journalists had to say post flight, they pretty much agreed it was unbearable to be confined in an economy seat for 20+ hours.

Boeing wamted publicity. Cloudyapple (and others) fell for it and have given Boeing what they wanted. I am sure they are grateful (but they will not so say so).
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting SthPacific787 (Reply 27):
Emotion is used by Marketeers to provoke interest.

I'm sure Geoff Dixon has very little emotion.

While in the old days aircraft were each hand made like Roll Royces, aircraft today are mass produced in factories, like battery chickens~ The last great romantic moment was the retirement of Concordes. The A380 had a novelty factor so was a little romance. But nobody really cracked open bottles of Champagne when any of the B737NG first flew, when the A345/6 first flew, when the ground was broken for Heathrow T5... you see what I'm getting at? Unless you're part of the project there's very little sentimental value in these off the shelf products.

I work for the air traffic control so I believe I qualify to make these statements.

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Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:00 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 30):
Oh, you're serious

Well it's serious but fun~   I started off taking the piss but then there is a serious side to it~

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Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:06 am

To those that are familiar with the 777-200LR. The airlines that order the aricraft for the ultra long routes, the seating config would be much less than 301? SIA flies the 340-500 SIN-LAX with less seats than normal. Would they, if they ordered the 777-200LR, would they reduce the seat count and if they do, what would be the seating capacity?
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:09 am

Both company's did a great job, and so both company´s are quite proud of their aircraft and both showed the aviation world how perfect their product work.
Boeing showed it with a direct flight between HKG-LHR over the USA and Airbus showed it with a promotion flight to Australia via Singapore.
In my opinion both flights were great advertising ideas from Boeing and Airbus, and as aviation fans, we should be happy how many people were interested in this flights.

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:12 am

301 3 class is the claimed sweet spot for maximum range on the LR. Reduced from 368 3 class on a normal B772. However, most airlines don't fit that many seats on 3 class aircraft.

The A345 clearly under performed thus the reduced payload. Airbus hyped it up too much.

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:33 am

I know the point(lessness) of this thread was in response to the point(lessness) of the A380 Asia Tour thread, but what the heck:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
What exactly was the point of the B772LR record flight to Heathrow?

To prove it can be done, I suppose.

Quote:
Anyone can fuel up a plane and fly it empty to the moon and back. This does not prove the point it makes sense to fly super longhaul or that the economics add up.

Well SQ seems to think it works, and QF is certainly looking at making a go at it. AC also feels it has merit. Same with EK and a few others.

Quote:
Debating if this should be in a poll forum but do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure or a waste of time for Boeing?

Neither, same as I feel it was neither a failure nor waste of time for Airbus to fly the A380 Down Under at the request of Qantas.

Quote:
What do you think Boeing could have gained from this flight?

Data supporting the 772LRs superiority over the A345 for ULR services?  Wink

Quote:
What do you suppose Boeing was trying to gain by completing this flight?

Convice QF to buy it and get SQ to shed their A345s in favor of it?  Wink

Quote:
Do you suppose there will be any surprises in the coming weeks? months? even years?

A QF and SQ order for 772LRs?  Wink

Quote:
Is Boeing part of Bush's campaign to poison the Earth by wasting as much fuel as they can for no reasons whatsoever?

Actually, considering Airbus is the one with all the less-fuel efficient four-engined widebody families, I wonder how many oil contracts Chirac and Schroeder have...  Wink
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 14):
If you read what the journalists had to say post flight, they pretty much agreed it was unbearable

Not true. The CNN guy was funny and not negative. Besides, most of those journalists aren't the passengers that are expected to want and/or benefit from ultra-long-haul flights. There will always be some folks who want to "break it up a bit", and there will be other folks who just want to friggin' get there. This aircraft allows certain airlines to cater to the latter type of passenger.

Having the record allows Boeing to officially proclaim their aircraft to be the longest-hauler. That's a marketing coup. It also allows the purchasing airlines to say that they they have the record-holding aircraft.

As to the asinine comment that anyone can tank up an aircraft and fly it to the moon: Sorry, pal, ain't true. When you do that, this one flies further, hands down.
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:20 am

Well. If everything Airbus does is a waste of time according to half the 'Users" on this forum then I think its fine for people to ask the same thing about Boeing.

As for the flight yes it was great it can fly that far but I agree.... whats the point. If it took off full of fuel and pax and flew Hong Kong - London westbound then its great.
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 39):
If it took off full of fuel and pax and flew Hong Kong - London westbound then its great

Heck, a 777-200ER should be able to do that. It's less then 6000nm, afterall.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:26 am

He meant eastbound I suppose.
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 39):
Well. If everything Airbus does is a waste of time according to half the 'Users" on this forum then I think its fine for people to ask the same thing about Boeing

The point was that the questions were already very recently discussed. Also, if someone stoops to the level of the "half the users" they are put off by, they pretty much surrender the right to take issue with said users as they are guilty of exactly the same behavior (can't have it both ways). Somehow, this thread has managed to be somewhat interesting to read through despite it's ill-conceived beginning!
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:08 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6):
I suppose I started a topic with a lot of valid questions. Similar questions were raised in another topic for another aircraft. It does not mean they are not valid in my topic or "duplicated".

YES THEY ARE DUPLICATED. In another thread. And since this wasn't just a joke thread against the other stupid thread on the A380, it shows you didn't bother to search.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 36):
301 3 class is the claimed sweet spot for maximum range on the LR. Reduced from 368 3 class on a normal B772. However, most airlines don't fit that many seats on 3 class aircraft.

This shows you don't even know what you are talking about.

There is no NORMAL 368seat 3 class 772!

In 3 class, the NORMAL 772 is 305 seats, the NORMAL 772ER/LR is 301 seats using Boeings figures. 368 is 3 class on a 773ER. These aren't the same plane, in case you didn't know.

In reality, 3 class 772s hold between 220 and 270, 2 class international 772s are configured between 260 and 300, and only two class domestic 772s break 300 on most carriers, though NZ has really packed them in on their new 772 at 314 seats in 2 1/2 classes.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 42):
The point was that the questions were already very recently discussed.

Exactly. And since it's obvious this wasn't tongue in cheek, people need to stop giving him credit for being clever.
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 43):
This shows you don't even know what you are talking about.

I misread my figures for which i apologise. But there is really no need to use the kind of language you have used. Seems like there are posters who can't bear constructive criticisms with some free humour thrown in towards their favourite companies/products.
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 44):
Seems like there are posters who can't bear constructive criticisms with some free humour thrown in towards their favourite companies/products.

And if this thread is any example, you are one of those posters.


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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
To my knowledge no major tests were completed? (Could be wrong, please let me know if there were) They did make a point that the B772LR can fly with little self loading cargo longer distances than the B744 did under the same conditions. Perhaps.... with more fuel? (someone help me out with this one?)

Testing was taking place, also, gave Boeing a chance to see what the 777-200LR can do with all 3 AUX tanks fully loaded.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
- No new orders before and after the flight
- No new operators took a look at the aircraft

Nobody is going to buy the airplane before or after the flight, but, it cause an airline to take a look at the airplane in the future. Excellent PR for Boeing, also, some potential buyers had pilots on the airplane sharing in the record setting flight.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Is Boeing afraid of doing the same flight with a full load? (Aircraft issues? Safety issues? No interesting events worth presenting the B772LR?)

No reason to do the flight again, the record has already been set.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Is Boeing part of Bush's campaign to poison the Earth by wasting as much fuel as they can for no reasons whatsoever?

President Bush is not an employee of Boeing, so, he has nothing to do with the flight.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Debating if this should be in a poll forum but do you think the B772LR record flight to Heathrow was a failure or a waste of time for Boeing?

Amazing success, they made the flight, set the record and captured the imagination of everybody out there as to how far aviation technology has come...
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:07 pm

Reporters were not crammed into coach seats. That is completely false they each had very comfortable accomodations on board. The flight was done to prove the indurance of the 777-200LR which broke the record set by the 747-400 Qantas delivery flight as well as the MAS 777-200ER. It also proves that Boeing is king of the ULR market. Airbus has never held the distance record and it will soon loose the in service distance record to the 777-200LR. Could be there are some sour grapes about the A340-500. Seems that several key airlines are planning on ditching the A340-500 in favor of the 777-200LR. That is really all that needs to be said. When an airline decides to replace a plane that is virtually brand new with the competitor's offering must say something. The A340-500 is loosing the battle before the 777-20LR even enters revenue service. So far Air Canada is the only official defector but be prepared to add Emirates and Singapore to the list.
 
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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:39 pm

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RE: B772LR Record Flight A Failure/Waste Of Time?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 14):
If you read what the journalists had to say post flight, they pretty much agreed it was unbearable to be confined in an economy seat for 20+ hours.

It's common practice to provide links (if it was a bad as you claim, "unbearable" is the word you used, there must be multiple stories) when you make a claim like that.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 44):
I misread my figures for which i apologise. But there is really no need to use the kind of language you have used. Seems like there are posters who can't bear constructive criticisms with some free humour thrown in towards their favourite companies/products.

Some people think they have a sense of humor, but don't actually have one. You might be one of those people.

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