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Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:25 am

Hey,

Apparentyl this happened today on the Isle of Wight.

BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4437168.stm

How often does this happen? Not heard of this sort of error in a while.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:13 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Thread starter):
How often does this happen? Not heard of this sort of error in a while.

Too often, unfortunately...amazing the guy lived.

Reminds me of the agent killed by a USX DH-8 about 4 1/2 years ago at DCA. Just thinking about it makes me physically ill.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:41 pm

Its always important to know where the prop is at all times, particularly if you're doing something like jump-starting a metroliner from a tug, where you plug the tug into the metroliner via a socket on the number 2 engine about 2 feet aft of the prop. Wait till both engines are on and running, then carefully approach from behind, pull the plug, and egress from behind. Not that this incident involved jump starting a metro I just thought I'd throw it out there... Safety first  Wink
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:51 pm

Thanks for replies guys. I think i remember the incident at DCA. Pretty sad, yet you should be aware of your surroundings.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:11 pm

DCA seems to have an inordinate number of fatal accidents.
 
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:14 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
Its always important to know where the prop is at all times, particularly if you're doing something like jump-starting a metroliner from a tug, where you plug the tug into the metroliner via a socket on the number 2 engine about 2 feet aft of the prop. Wait till both engines are on and running, then carefully approach from behind, pull the plug, and egress from behind. Not that this incident involved jump starting a metro I just thought I'd throw it out there... Safety first

At GQ, all of our old Metroliners had the GPU plugin on the FO's side next to the main gear. Of course these were Metro IIIs and Metro 23s. We did have to bring on another Metro which did have the plugin on #2. One worker in an outstation supposedly slipped on ice while unplugging and his/her foot actually slid underneath the prop. The prop never touched it. This is, of course, just rumor, but still something that actually could happen. Kind of strange they would build a design like this...
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:54 pm

A Few years ago, when I was a lineboy at LRU (general aviation), I was working an airshow, and had marshalled a guy flying a Beechcraft D-17. I had chocked his A/C, and the guy decided he wanted to move to the classic/display ramp. I had to escort him with a "Follow Me" vehicle, but before I could pull the chocks, I heard the starter turn, and immediately dove away from the prop arc. Good thing!

Moral of the story: proper flight line protocol is to yell "Clear!" or "Clear Prop!" before engaging a starter on a prop-driven aircraft. I do this religiously to this day as a private pilot. This guy never said anything, just pulled the starter handle.

BTW I came to find out the Staggerwing owner, who nearly turned me into chopped sushi, was a captain for a major airline who shall remain nameless...
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:10 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 5):

You'd think it'd be much safer to put the thing out toward the wingtip, it wouldn't be a horrible weight imbalance to add a pound or two of wiring to the wing, hell they could even put one on both sides to "make it easier on ground crews" aka balance the weight.

I'm not sure about the Metro III's configuration but I was standing about 20 feet from a guy while he was plugging the GPU into the engine on a Metro II.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:49 pm

One of the rules I learned growing up around airplanes is always be aware if the nav lights are on. If they are on, steer clear of the ship's engines as the crew is probably about to start them. Our private airplane, a C414A has tiedown points located at the tail and aft end of each engine nacelle. The first thing that we do in the preflight prep is remove the tiedowns and all chocks. Prior to engine start we scan the surrounding area for activity. If there is none, we'll proceed with engine start. If the ramp has a lot of foot traffic, we'll either wait a moment or make the "clear prop" call.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:57 pm

Safety First.
Always move Around a Propeller as if its Functioning at all times.
Always stand away from a Thrust Reverser as if it would operate anytime.
Thats my method at work,although at times Im ridiculed for it  Smile
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:19 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
Thrust Reverser

A quick question, if you were to stand where the panels moved to show the inside of the engine when Thrust Reverse is deployed e.g. B767, would you get blown away? Just like if you stood in the wake or behind the engine when it was increasing power.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:09 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):

Wanna be our guinea pig? Big grin
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:33 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):
A quick question, if you were to stand where the panels moved to show the inside of the engine when Thrust Reverse is deployed e.g. B767, would you get blown away

Yes.A T/R reversers the Thrust.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:50 pm

Guys, there was an incident at DUB round about 1999 involving a guy working on the ramp for servisair. An emereld airways had come in and while he signalled to the pilots side window that the chocks were in he backed into the still moving propeller. I started dispatching there a few years later and this was at the forefront of all the safety talks.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:09 pm

You would be suprised with what ground workers do with propellors. When I used to be a lineman, we would turn the props horizontal after the aircraft had been fueled to let both the pilots and other fuelers know that it had been done. Most people are aware to be attentive and to stand clear with just the tips of your fingers when doing it. A broken lead can cause the magnetos to fire and start her up.

Or this could have been the case of a prop-start which is very dangerous, even for people who do it often. I once saw a brand new Mooney owner (don't get me started) leave his wife in the plane while he tried to prop start the plane. He hadn't applied the brakes hard enough and the airlplane broke one of its tiedowns and smacked into a Bellanca that was parallel to it.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:13 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 13):
Guys, there was an incident at DUB round about 1999 involving a guy working on the ramp for servisair. An emereld airways had come in and while he signalled to the pilots side window that the chocks were in he backed into the still moving propeller. I started dispatching there a few years later and this was at the forefront of all the safety talks.

I remember that. Am I right in saying that poor guy was killed?
 
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:17 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 15):
I remember that. Am I right in saying that poor guy was killed?

He sure did. The incident report is on the website of the Irish equivalent to the NTSB.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:38 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
if you're doing something like jump-starting a metroliner from a tug, where you plug the tug into the metroliner via a socket on the number 2 engine about 2 feet aft of the prop.

HMMM. I remember both the Merlin and Metro having the plug 2 feet in front of the starboard. It's been awhile, but I definitely remember the Merlin prop behind me when pulling the GPU. Beech 99's and Starships can be pretty hairy too. (Not that Starships matter too much anymore). One of my favorites was pulling a GPU off of a LR24 or LR25. Quite a few times a flame approximately 4 feet long would shoot out of the back of the engine, approximately 2 feet from my face.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
Wanna be our guinea pig?

Gee, thanks. Although that may be fun. A bit like a roller coaster Big grin

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 13):
Guys, there was an incident at DUB round about 1999 involving a guy working on the ramp for servisair. An emereld airways had come in and while he signalled to the pilots side window that the chocks were in he backed into the still moving propeller. I started dispatching there a few years later and this was at the forefront of all the safety talks.

Shame the guy died, but it was his own fault for not looking. And funnily enough i can't remember this one happening.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:04 am

DCA seems to have an inordinate number of fatal accidents.

Really? I can only recall 2 since 1987. Am I missing something?
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:11 am

Back around 1998, I believe, a bag driver got killed in ATL by running into an ATR prop. Apparently, it was raining that night, and he was in a hurry to get it done so he could get out of the downpour. He had a couple of bags to drop off at an EV ATR. These birds are loaded a little wierd. The main baggage bin is on the left forward side of the plane, right behind the cockpit. But in the back, there is a smaller bin on the right side of the tail, where you can store any overflow bags as well as the plane-checked carryon luggage. He apparently pulled up to one side, but they told him they were full and to go to the other. It was near departure and one engine was running up. He had his rain gear pulled down low to minimize the rain coming in and his head partially turned to keep rain from flying into his eyes. Instead of pulling away from the plane to go around, he drove under the wing and thats that. Thankfully he probably didn't even know what hit him. I heard the engine was destroyed(naturally) and they had to have a professional pressure washing company come in and wash the stain off the tarmac. Sad.


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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 20):
It was near departure and one engine was running up.

I guess I don't understand why they had one engine turning while they were still loading bags. Sounds like a very stupid SOP to me. They were litterally ASKING for this accident to happen...
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:02 pm

Yikes, ouch! Poor guy. You gotta respect dangerous equipment like that. All I can think of is that one scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark. That always made me cringe.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:08 am

What about the mechanic who was ingested in the 737-300 engine in Moscow a few years ago? This happened at night, in front of a horrified gateroom of passengers. Pretty gruesome.

http://www.pilotosdeiberia.com/prensa/moscowtimes_150704.htm

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:54 am

I guess also a Ramp Agent at OHare for American Eagle also indasvertently walked into a prop on an ATR. She was of course killed.
A number of spotters along with myself watched, as much as we could tell, a worker had his or her legs crushed by an SAS 763 on the International Tarmac at OHare. They were pushing it back to tow over to CO's gates as that was the practice back in 1989 or 90. Nose gear rolled right over them.
Not fun...
Yeah I remember watching Britt and Air Midwest Metro agents having to plug the GPU into that plug-in on the #2 engine....Eek, I couldnt imagine standing that close to an idling Garret TPE 331 engine. Sheesh the noise is deafening....
ON startup the props seemed to be in fine pitch until the pilots put it into forward pitch. I had observed on occasion that when they would move the props into forward pitch, the plane looked like the props would go into reverse pitch for a second or two and the plane would move backwards a bit and then forward...
One question, I do have is that more ofthen than not, I would also observe many a Britt pilot hand spinning the props on their Metro IIs. Was this to purge unburned fuel out of the engine??? Does anyone know??? I think I have even seen Jestream 31 Pilots do the same thing....
Usually afte the engines had been shut down for a while.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:05 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 18):
Shame the guy died, but it was his own fault for not looking. And funnily enough i can't remember this one happening.

http://www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?id=4024&lang=ENG&loc=1280

This is the incident report........

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 25):

Danke Monsieur.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
A Few years ago, when I was a lineboy at LRU (general aviation), I was working an airshow, and had marshalled a guy flying a Beechcraft D-17. I had chocked his A/C, and the guy decided he wanted to move to the classic/display ramp. I had to escort him with a "Follow Me" vehicle, but before I could pull the chocks, I heard the starter turn, and immediately dove away from the prop arc. Good thing!

Moral of the story: proper flight line protocol is to yell "Clear!" or "Clear Prop!" before engaging a starter on a prop-driven aircraft. I do this religiously to this day as a private pilot. This guy never said anything, just pulled the starter handle.

BTW I came to find out the Staggerwing owner, who nearly turned me into chopped sushi, was a captain for a major airline who shall remain nameless...

I think I'd have been seriously tempted to open up a can of whoopass on this mofo.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:37 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 24):
Yeah I remember watching Britt and Air Midwest Metro agents having to plug the GPU into that plug-in on the #2 engine....Eek, I couldnt imagine standing that close to an idling Garret TPE 331 engine. Sheesh the noise is deafening....
ON startup the props seemed to be in fine pitch until the pilots put it into forward pitch. I had observed on occasion that when they would move the props into forward pitch, the plane looked like the props would go into reverse pitch for a second or two and the plane would move backwards a bit and then forward...
One question, I do have is that more ofthen than not, I would also observe many a Britt pilot hand spinning the props on their Metro IIs.

Most pilots are kind enough to change the pitch of the props so there isn't alot of wind while you unplug #2. At GQ, we thankfully only had one aircraft that had the GPU plugin on #2, so it wasn't all that bad. It wasn't exactly my idea of fun, but it's do-able. You just really had to watch where you (and your body parts) were while you are unplugging. Cleaning the ground of any debris (snow, ice, etc...) for sure footwork is a good idea.

As far as turning the props a few minutes after shutdown, this helps cool off the turbines.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:19 am

I never turn my back on a propeller as a lineman. Last spring, one of the girls I work with parked a King Air 100 and as I put a cone on the outside wing, I looked up and the pilot let off the foot brakes. The aircraft started rolling forward so I rushed back across the front of the plane, where the girl had turned her back to the a/c and covered her ears. I grabbed her by the waist and pulled her out of the way.

The pilot finally got back on the brakes about where she had been standing.

Moral: NEVER TURN AWAY FROM A MOVING PROP! SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT BE THERE TO SAVE YOU!
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:27 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 28):

As far as turning the props a few minutes after shutdown, this helps cool off the turbines.

This technique is only on Garret engines such as the King Air 100 (only a few with mods), Cessna 441 Conquest, the Merlin/Metro series aircraft..... It actually cools the fuel compressors or they will warp and crack.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:33 am

The Metro II and early Metro III had the GPU jack on the nacelle
on the right engine. It was a bit hairy to say the least unplugging it.
You would unplug it and walk with your hand on the leading edge/deice
boot to guide yourself back to the GPU and then roll the cord up.
Around 87, the newer III's had the jack in the belly on the right hand
side, just aft of the trailing edge of the wing. Much much safer.
I shudder to think of the times I unplugged those things in the dark, rain,
etc just feet from the prop.

SunAire had a fellow that I was very good friends with that lost his
left arm in a propeller accident.
 
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 29):

So...did this chick go out with her "hero" afterwards?  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 21):
I guess I don't understand why they had one engine turning while they were still loading bags. Sounds like a very stupid SOP to me. They were litterally ASKING for this accident to happen...

I am not sure if it was that particular aircraft he was driving around to another or what. In ATL, they can stack those AT7's 4 high on one gate. Everywhere you turn there is a blade. Good marshalling, bad operational planning.

Not to mention everytime an ATR pulls in, it seems that the ramp agents jump on them and start unloading before it even comes to a stop. Its not really that way, but it seems it sometimes.



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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:11 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 33):
Not to mention everytime an ATR pulls in, it seems that the ramp agents jump on them and start unloading before it even comes to a stop. Its not really that way, but it seems it sometimes.

Do they even wait for the engine to stop?

Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 34):
Do they even wait for the engine to stop?

Isn't that what they are supposed to do?

Some ramp agents (not all) can get very used to their job and surroundings and would take chances that you or I might think ludicrous. But they do it everyday of the week and it's like everything in life where standards and safety begin to slip.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:06 am

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 30):
This technique is only on Garret engines such as the King Air 100 (only a few with mods), Cessna 441 Conquest, the Merlin/Metro series aircraft..... It actually cools the fuel compressors or they will warp and crack

I am a factory trained TPE331 heavy maintenance specialist (among my other accomplishments although it HAS been a few years) and I ran a TPE331 overhaul shop for a number of years and I never yet have seen a "fuel compressor" on one, let alone seeing one that was warped and cracked.

The reason for turning over a TPE331 by hand or on the starter after shutdown is because of a phenomenon known as "shaft bowing". Particularly on engines that have recently had the knife edge seals replaced or the curvic couplings or both, when the engine is shut down the gearcase contracts faster than the mainshaft with the result that the knife edge on the curvic coupling will drag and make horrible squeaking noises.

As part of the repair procedure the engine is built up vertically, and when it is laid on its side the same thing can happen which is why after maintenance we'd hand prop them or motor them to break in the seals. Neglecting to do this before the initial startup could and did overheat the edges of the curvic coupling which would lead to loss of sealing integrity and a consequent loss of performance.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 35):
Some ramp agents (not all) can get very used to their job and surroundings and would take chances that you or I might think ludicrous. But they do it everyday of the week and it's like everything in life where standards and safety begin to slip.

I, for one, am guilty of this. I've caught myself walking under our 1900D's wings while the props are turning. Sure there's at least 5 feet between me and the edge of the prop. But it still isn't smart. We more or less know where the prop is at all times, but one wrong move...

I've gotten a bit better about going out to the wing tip, but I have taken short cuts from time to time....
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 21):

I guess I don't understand why they had one engine turning while they were still loading bags. Sounds like a very stupid SOP to me. They were litterally ASKING for this accident to happen...

You wouldn't want to be around a high volume skydiving operation. Typical SOP is to load passengers with both engines turning. Several larger operations have even implemented procedures for hot fueling(before loading px).

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 30):
This technique is only on Garret engines such as the King Air 100 (only a few with mods), Cessna 441 Conquest, the Merlin/Metro series aircraft..... It actually cools the fuel compressors or they will warp and crack.

CASA212 as well. You also see this with radial engines albeit for different reasons.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 36):
The reason for turning over a TPE331 by hand or on the starter after shutdown is because of a phenomenon known as "shaft bowing".

Your right, I'm sorry. I had a brain fart when I wrote that. It is because of shaft bowing that we do it.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 32):
So...did this chick go out with her "hero" afterwards?

No, I didn't get a date from her. I should ask sometime though, eh?
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:40 am

This reminds me of what happened to an F9 ramper in MKE when I was working for C8. (F9 ran the ramp in MKE for C8) The Saab pulled into the gate and shut number one down, feathered number two, and apperently, the ramper went right for the mains to chock it for some reason while the prop was spinning. The Co-pilot said he thaught that someone ran into the plane with a tug. He went out, and seen blood all over the fuse and the guy face down. I don't know if he survived. The really sad thing is that that day, was his last day working for F9...
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:53 am

Quoting N723gw (Reply 40):
This reminds me of what happened to an F9 ramper in MKE when I was working for C8. (F9 ran the ramp in MKE for C8) The Saab pulled into the gate and shut number one down, feathered number two, and apperently, the ramper went right for the mains to chock it for some reason while the prop was spinning. The Co-pilot said he thaught that someone ran into the plane with a tug. He went out, and seen blood all over the fuse and the guy face down. I don't know if he survived. The really sad thing is that that day, was his last day working for F9...

I thought I had heard something about that right after it happened. Heard it from a friend who worked at C8 in MSN at the time. That is a very sad story.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:25 am

Folks, I'm curious, why not put the connectors in that aft section or out on the wing as others have suggested? Granted, it migh add a bit of weight, but man, what a hell of a way to die....

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:49 am

I think Fairchild wised up and changed the location of the plugin. At GQ, the only a/c we had that had the plugin on #2 was a sub for another a/c that we sold off. Not sure why they had the plugin so close to the prop. Maybe it saved some complexity in design...

Speaking of ways to die. Supposedly a GQ mechanic was leaning over a prop working on the engine casing, when someone hit the starter in the cockpit. the prop caught him and threw him over the plane and he landed on the wing. Broke some ribs and his arm. Not sure I believe this really happened, but wow, would've been scary (and fascinating) to watch....
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:58 am

The plugin for the earlier Metro's is one bad type of operational planning, but how about Mitsubishi with their brilliant lack of foresight when placing the fuel port (someone's gonna have to tell me the actual name) on the Mu 30? The friggin thing is set in such away that rampers have to climb up on top of the engine (a tail mounted engine) just to access the thing.
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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
Moral of the story: proper flight line protocol is to yell "Clear!" or "Clear Prop!" before engaging a starter on a prop-driven aircraft. I do this religiously to this day as a private pilot. This guy never said anything, just pulled the starter handle.

Another thing to remember as a pilot when yelling "Clear", don't yell it than automatically crank 'er over. Give a good few seconds for anyone who, small as the possibility may be, is near the prop to get out of the way. Yelling Clear and immediately turning it over does no good if you don't have a time gap.

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RE: Man Caught In Aircraft Propeller

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:13 pm

This reminds me of the poor guy who got sucked throught a BA ( or was it BOAC) 747 engine, lossing his arm and leg. He was fortunate to suvive, the reason he got sucked through was because he was wearing a hooded coat, and the hood was blown up by the engine, and he got sucked in.
He was doing an engine test at the time

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