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Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Sat May 20, 2000 1:52 pm

What ever happened to the UsAir operation after they bought PSA a long time ago? I was too young to know, so maybe someone could enlighten me? It seems like they have no flights around there anymore.
 
Matt D
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Sun May 21, 2000 2:31 am

USAir dismantled the original PSA route network circa 1991, after a few years of heavy losses, the spiralling costs of fuel with the Gulf War, the Economic downturn, the fact that the old PS route system hardly fit with US at all to begin with.
The MD-80's were transferred to the East. The BAe 146's ended up at Mojave.
 
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Sun May 21, 2000 1:07 pm

A little different subject, but still relating to the topic...

Anyone know for sure if USAir is adding a PDX route from one of their hubs? Given, their service generally sucks to the west as a whole, but of the four major far west markets, PDX is the only area not served by them.

I heard rumor that this is scheduled to change after PDX construction gets a little out of the way. The metro area is 1.5 million, serviced by all other major domestics, seems like would easily be a profitable route.

Anyone hear further?
 
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Sun May 21, 2000 10:22 pm

I have been hearing a number of rumors regarding US over the past several months. The restoration of PIT-PDX is one of those. Word has it that US has in the works a significant east-west expansion. Mainline domestic operations have stagnated over the past two years as the company has been heavily focused on contract negotiations, aircraft shortages, Metrojet and the buildup of transatlantic operations.

With the labor contracts in place and the fleet renewal in progress we may see some movement in the coming year. They are still working on getting the RJ scope clause loosened and a European code share partner. PDX-PIT may be part of a long rumored expansion at PIT which has suffered during the buildup of PHL. All of this is from the gossip mill at USAirways though so only take it for what it is worth.
 
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RE: PDX Service

Mon May 22, 2000 1:34 am

I heard that PHL - PDX (among others) would be added later this year with 319s. I was told by a pilot seated next to me on a flight from TPA to PHL. He also said that, as the new A330s come on board, they would add Amsterdam and several other european destinations and that they would have PHL - LAX 767 service back by summer.

 
Tom in NO
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Mon May 22, 2000 9:17 am

The way USAir dismantled PSA's operations, the same thing AA did to AirCal was a shame. If either airline had the brains to keep those operations going (operations that were running effeciently, and at a profit), then SW and UA Shuttle would never have had the effect on west coast traffic that they do. If US finally does go under, they can point to the trashing of PSA as the beginning of the end.

Tom in NO (at MSY)
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US Fleet

Mon May 22, 2000 10:16 am

Guys, after the A330 what other aircraft is US considering or receiving besides the 717 and the A321?
 
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PH-BZA

Mon May 22, 2000 10:33 am

They've already ordered A321s, 34 if I remember correctly.
 
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Mon May 22, 2000 10:55 am

USAir did not "trash" PSA's operations. The aquisition was made with the intent of building a west coast presence and using that presence to feed transcon traffic. Shortly after the PSA aquisition Southwest and America West expanded rapidly into the California markets.

PSA had been profitable as a stand alone operation but not tremendously so. After the aquisition USAir integrated all of PSA's personnel under the USAir compensation programs which increased the cost of the west coast operations. This had the effect of pushing these operations into the red. As I said before, PSA may have been a great airline but it was most certainly not a gold mine from a financial perspective. Had USAir not purchased PSA it is doubtful that PSA would have survived that onslaught of Southwest and America West on its own anyway.

It seems to be very fashionable to trash USAir for PSA's demise. A case could even be made that the aquisition opened the door for Southwest in the first place. If you look at Southwest's history though, it is inevitable that they would have invaded the California market at some point anyway. USAir is a convenient scapegoat but putting the blame solely on them ignores the market realities of the time. PSA was simply neither large enough nor strong enough to survive on its own. By accepting the aquisition by USAir they ensured themselves and their employees a future, albeit not the one that they may have preferred but one preferable to that suffered by many other airlines of that era.
 
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Tue May 23, 2000 1:08 pm

The vast majority of ex-PSA, and for that matter, ex-Piedmont people that currently work for USAir have expressed major disappointment at the state of USAir these days. They see those two airlines (PS and PI) as being run by visionary men, both airlines being run at a profit, with happy and productive employees, things that are in a little shorter supply these days at USAir.

As for USAir's compenation programs increasing the cost of the west coast operation, and pushing the operation into a money-loser, I think that speaks volumes. They should have foreseen that one coming.

The only airline around these days that's a "gold-mine" is SW, and everybody else is trying to imitate them. What people forget is that PSA was a low-cost, low-fare, moneymaking airline. IF USAir had truly wanted to protect the west coast operation, they could have given it a much better try than they did.

In the end, maybe SW would have taken care of PSA, we'll never know. But, at least they do seem to be taking USAir for a ride back east.

Tom in NO (at MSY)
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Tue May 23, 2000 11:34 pm

"The vast majority of ex-PSA, and for that matter, ex-Piedmont people that currently work for USAir have expressed major disappointment at the state of USAir these days. "

I love this... and hear it all the time. Unfortunately, these mergers/buyouts took place in the 1980's!!! These folks need to get over it. Done deal for better or for worse. I've talked to some of the ex-Piedmont and ex-PSA folks and they just can't seem to let it go. They cling to this dream of "what if..."! It is pointless... maybe if they complain about it enough they can change history!!! Sorry, doesn't work that way...

As for west coast operations, I think it was a case of allocating resouces as best they could... sure a better attempt could have been made to have a real west coast operation... the management at the time did not choose to do it. Ironically, some folks blame the current management for the lack of west coast ops. For what it is worth, U has already incresed service to most of the west coast cities they serve and will probably add several more cities by the end of the summer (portland, salt lake,???).
 
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Wed May 24, 2000 10:45 am

New answer: USAir gains west coast hubs because they merge with United!

I guess all of those ex-PSA and Peidmont employees are having a good laugh nowadays!
 
Tom in NO
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Wed May 24, 2000 11:28 am

It's kind of ironic what happens every time USAir faces a competitive challenge (west coast in the late 80's, east coast nowadays) from an established airline. They're intimidated, and invariably get blown out of the respective market. A great example is the BWI hub, that Southwest is now off and running with. Say what you want about costs, in-flight service, etc, SW has got USAir's number.

Yes, perhaps the EX-PS and PI people need to get over it, but I'll go along with AKelley728 on this one. It may become academic for USAir. I think they're fighting a losing battle, and they'll be one of the next ones to merge, get bought out, or go Chapter 11.

Tom in NO (at MSY)
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RE: Old Question - UsAir And The West Coast

Wed May 24, 2000 10:20 pm

I think US Airways butchered PSA it was sad to see PSA disappear.
I hope UAL buys US Airways

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