flyingnanook
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Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:41 pm

My roommate asked me today what would happen if somebody had to travel and they didn't have a photo ID. For example somebody got his wallet stolen while on vacation and had to travel home, but he would have no ID.

I figured that the person would be subject to higher security screening, such as the dreaded SSSS screening, but I'm not too sure what else would have to happen.

So what exactly would such a person have to go through, both at check in and security?
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MarshalN
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:42 pm

I think you have to get some sort of replacement ID in order to even think about flying.... having no ID on you will probably not get you on the plane in this day and age.
 
Vorticity
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:10 pm

My guess is you would not get on a plane without a Photo ID. You should treat your photo ID like a passport when you are on travel, guard it closely.

There is some question about what kind of ID is required. I know people who have gotten on using their NASA ID badge. Apparantly any Govt. issued ID will be accepted.
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Bridogger6
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:24 pm

Nope you can still get on planes without photo ID. The part about the SSSS is right though, you'll get that for sure... but technically you can still get on a plane without a photo ID.
 
lentigomaligna
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:59 pm

I remember a segment from the show airline where a woman on a WN flight was stubborn to get on the plane because a man (probably middle-eastern) didn't have an ID but was permitted to board the plane anyway, well post 9/11 but had to undergo much more rigorous security screening as a result.

Then there's me, I often go through security without agents even trying to look at my ID since I don't look anywhere near my age, skycaps will tell me they don't need ID from me all the time (it's really funny when I order alcohol in Vancouver).
 
57AZ
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:55 pm

Quoting Vorticity (Reply 2):
There is some question about what kind of ID is required. I know people who have gotten on using their NASA ID badge. Apparantly any Govt. issued ID will be accepted.

As long as it's a photo ID with employee signature, it's indeed acceptable as proof of identification. Standard is usually either state issued driver's license, passport or military identification card. Also, be aware that if you request a temporary replacement driver's license, it might not have a photo on it (varies from state to state). This pertains to MI as I had to do a passport application for a MI resident who had her purse stolen. She contacted the state DMV assuming that the replacement license they issued her would have a photo. It did not. However, she did have access to her expiring passport and went through the process of getting an expidited renewal so that she could travel.
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brokenrecord
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:23 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 5):
As long as it's a photo ID with employee signature, it's indeed acceptable as proof of identification. Standard is usually either state issued driver's license, passport or military identification card. Also, be aware that if you request a temporary replacement driver's license, it might not have a photo on it (varies from state to state). This pertains to MI as I had to do a passport application for a MI resident who had her purse stolen. She contacted the state DMV assuming that the replacement license they issued her would have a photo. It did not. However, she did have access to her expiring passport and went through the process of getting an expidited renewal so that she could travel.

VA replacement licenses have pictures. When I moved, I ordered my new one from the DMV's website. Got to me in about a week.

I personally travel on my USAF CAC when I travel for work. Weekend trips I just use my passport or license.
 
komododx
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:30 pm

You must have photo ID to fly. Technically you can board the a/c without the photo ID. I know DL only requires you to show your boarding pass at the gate. But even if you got an e-ticket and didn't have to show your ID at the check-in counter, you must show your photo ID to TSA before being screened.

SSSS screenings are random. Or supposed to be but I seem to get them everytime out of TLH.

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BigOrange
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 3):
Nope you can still get on planes without photo ID. The part about the SSSS is right though, you'll get that for sure... but technically you can still get on a plane without a photo ID

Not correct, and I can attest to that after losing out on a weekend in Myrtle Beach last weekend.

My wallet was stolen at EWR between Long Term parking and Terminal B, and I was told that without any other ID I would not even be allowed through security.

However if it happens after you have traveled out and can provide a police report or case number, they will allow you to travel home without ID, because it has already been provided at check-in on the outward flight.
 
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Komododx (Reply 7):
You must have photo ID to fly.

Not true, you do not need photo ID to fly internal UK flights with BMI or BA!
 
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:12 am

There seems to be a lot of uniformity issues, as indicated in posts above, but, generally speaking, the person becomes a selectee. It may be possible to not be a selectee if you provided photo ID on the outbound. This seems to go back and forth.

BigOrange I'd be curious to do some follow up research on what you were told at EWR, because it doesn't necessarily jive with what I've heard. For instance, in the infamous photo ID for flying case, the plaintiff was always given the option to fly United without any ID as long as he consented to be a selectee everytime he flew.

Of course, if you have some type of ID, but not necessarily photo ID, its not that hard to fly. Take a look at Continental's ID requirements.. You could come up with lots of different combinations of documents in the 2nd option set which wouldn't include a photo document at all.

In either case, while the airline may be aware that you're flying on the second part of your ticket, I don't think there's anything on the ticket to indicate to the TSA that that's the case--so how would they know if you're on the outbound or the inbound?

It's hard to know what the TSA is thinking, because as it's been documented in the photo ID case that the government refuses to acknowledege if there is a rule or regulation requiring ID to fly, and what the content of that rule is. Citing security reasons, they claim they don't have to reveal what the rule is, just that we have to abide by it--assuming it's there. Knowing this, all we can do is go by what the airlines say.
 
bond007
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting Komododx (Reply 7):
You must have photo ID to fly

Not true at all. Almost all airlines have procedures that allow you to fly without a photo ID. As long as you have some kind of ID, you're fine. I lost my driver license a few weeks ago and flew 3 different airlines on 4 legs with little problem. At the Delta and Airtran desks they both told me they had procedures for exactly that .... Yes you are SSSS but no big deal (in fact one flight I wasn't even SSSS!).

...and what's with the 'dreaded SSSS' ?? At most security checks the SSSS is hardly any longer than a normal check. In fact sometimes it's faster coz they put you in a different line that has fewer people (like crew, wheelchairs etc.). So they wave a wand over you and wipe you bag with a 'cloth' .... so what.


From the TSA's own website:

"...or two forms of non-photo identification, one of which must have been issued by a state or federal agency (e.g.: U.S. social security card). "

BUT bear in mind, I did not have one issued by state or federal agency, but still no problem.



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lehovec
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:55 am

For both EZY and FR you need photo ID no matter if it is domestic or international trip. If you lose it during your holidays, you have to go to nearest embassy and obtain some kind of photo ID otherwise you will not be checked in.
 
airtangora
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:12 am

A couple years ago, I got my boarding pass at ORD and somewhere between there and boarding the plane to MIA, I lost my license. They boarded me to Miami no problem but I was worried about my return. After several hours wasted on the phone with local authorities, I just figured I'd see what would happen when I tried my return home. I had my credit cards, employee ID card and various unofficial ID's to help make my case. When I got to the counter I informed them of the situation and all I had to endure was additional and heavy screenings and questioning. In all, not bad. I was just glad to know the airlines have a contingency plan when a pax makes a silly mistake.

Most importantly, I learned a valuable lesson. I permanently keep, in my toiletry kit, a state ID card if a similar situation happens again. I never travel without that one item, so my back-up will always be with me. I'd advise everyone do the same.

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lincoln
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:49 am

I've often wondered about (and thought about trying) exactly how far "government-issued photo ID" can be stretched...

For example, I carry a valid, photo ID card issused by the tribal government of and certifying that I am a member of the Sault Ste. Marie (Michigan) Tribe of Chippewa Indians, a federally recognized Indian/Native American/whatever the PC term is tribe that enjoys certain rights of sovergninty as related to the US and state governments. Would this be acceptable?

I also carry a valid ID card issued by California State University San Marcos (which states on the back that it has been issued by CSUSM, an agency of the State of California) -- if Drivers Licenses are issued by a state agency (in California, the DMV) why wouldn't a different type of photo ID issued by a different state agency be acceptable?

Finally, I have (but do not carry on a regular basis) a University of Michigan Hospitals & Health System badge (with photo)...again issued by a state agency (but a different state).

Not to mention that i have a California Driver's License (which is what I always use, and gets me plenty of strange looks when checking in at CLE, where I now live, when I'm rarely flying to California*.

[Of these four, I would tend to beleive that my Indian card is the most secure, followed by my driver's license, my UMHS ID, and finally my CSUSM student ID]

Lincoln

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bond007
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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
Not to mention that i have a California Driver's License (which is what I always use, and gets me plenty of strange looks when checking in at CLE, where I now live, when I'm rarely flying to California*.

I travel every week and have an out-of-state license - never got any 'strange looks'.


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RE: Traveling Without Photo ID

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:08 am

A few months ago my wife put her wallet in her check-in luggage when we were returning home from PIT.  Sad She had to get a boarding pass from NW with Ssssssssssss and go through the extra screening, but that was it.