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EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:01 am

I thought that the 777's were 9 seats abreast ...hence some have a 3-3-3 layout whilst others have 2-5-2 layout.... however if you look at this EK 777 interior pic you can see the layout is 3-4-3 the same as a 744....
As I don't think the have wider 777's I guess its that EK ried to cramp in more seats..... Musn't be very confortable I guess...
any other airline added an extra seat abreast ?

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
any other airline added an extra seat abreast ?

British Airways ... in Business Class !

with a 2 x 4 x 2 layout, when most (all ?) other airlines propose a 2 x 3 x 2 or even 2 x 2 x 2.
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:16 am

Been on both EK772 and 773 and their economy seats are no better or no worse than other airlines. Infact legroom and recline are better than others.
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:37 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
British Airways ... in Business Class !

with a 2 x 4 x 2 layout, when most (all ?) other airlines propose a 2 x 3 x 2 or even 2 x 2 x 2.

But they have a different layout (back facing seats...).
Are those seats thinner than other business class seats?
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
any other airline added an extra seat abreast ?

Lauda had 3-4-3 on their B777s (does anyone know if Austrian is going to convert them to a 9-abreast config?). Finnair has 3-4-3 on their MD-11s. Also there are a few charter companies that have 2-4-2 on their B767s and if I'm not mistaken 2-5-2 on their A330s (someone could correct me on the latter).

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:44 am

77W's for EK have the new anti-jetlag lighting effect though, don't they? With the stars on the ceiling? Surely that makes up for the poor legroom...  Yeah sure

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:49 am

It looks cramped to me. No wonder EK is screaming for the A380-900 to be buildt, will take 750 pax.

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:57 am

Yes the seats are very cramped compared to SQ for example. So is EK busines class on the 777-300 HD at least.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 4):
Also there are a few charter companies that have 2-4-2 on their B767s and if I'm not mistaken 2-5-2 on their A330s (someone could correct me on the latter).

Some charters operate 3-3-3 on 330s. Not sure if any operates 2-5-5, but seat width wise, it's the same.
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 8):
Some charters operate 3-3-3 on 330s.

Thanks for the clarification, A360. Glad I was not that far off the truth!

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:03 am

Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's? I had a look at fares from SYD-AKL and see that First Class is not offered on this route.


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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 7):
Yes the seats are very cramped compared to SQ for example. So is EK busines class on the 777-300 HD at least.

= Yup. EK Y class product and J class products are both very shabby IMO with cabin crew extremely inconsistent. I just came back on from their DXB-DAC flight and it was pretty bad on J. Y is very cramped for a mainline carrier.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's?

= It has 3 I believe.

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 8):
Some charters operate 3-3-3 on 330s.

Air Transat's economy seats in their 330s are 3-3-3.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 12):
Air Transat's economy seats in their 330s are 3-3-3.

I wouldn't hold Air Tansat as a model of comfort.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 13):
I wouldn't hold Air Tansat as a model of comfort.

Lol. Neither would I!

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6):
No wonder EK is screaming for the A380-900 to be buildt, will take 750 pax.

That'll be unbearable! I don't know why anyone would want to fly in a jet with 749 other people. It's beyond me!

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's?

According to their website, that is correct, they have only two. One with a business, economy config. and the other with a first, business, economy config. Not saying anyone is wrong, just reporting what EK says on their site.

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 14):
According to their website, that is correct, they have only two. One with a business, economy config. and the other with a first, business, economy config. Not saying anyone is wrong, just reporting what EK says on their site.

I'm not sure if the 77W's don't have a slightly diferent 3 class layout than that of the 773A's, but I think so... that would make 3 seat configs (1 with 2 class, and 2 with 3 classes).

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 13):
I wouldn't hold Air Tansat as a model of comfort.

3-3-3 in a 330-340 is cramped. More than 3-4-3 in a 777... But still less than a 2-4-2 in a 767... that must be unbearable.

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 14):
That'll be unbearable! I don't know why anyone would want to fly in a jet with 749 other people. It's beyond me!

Would it really be that diferent travel in a 748 with 400 pax or in a 389 with 700?
You just see your section (between galleys) of the aircrafs.... you're not exactly in the same cabin with the 700... so, I think the feel would be just like in a 747 cabin.
PS: 3 jetbridges would be appreciated though.  Wink

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
3-3-3 in a 330-340 is cramped. More than 3-4-3 in a 777... But still less than a 2-4-2 in a 767... that must be unbearable.

I haven't had the "pleasure" to experience the above configs. However, I have got stuck in LH's Avros with a 3-3 (as opposed to the usual 2-3) config and it was a nightmare. Thankfully, the flights were only 2 hours long (FRA-EDI return). I really can't imagine doing a long-haul trip in equally cramped conditions though.

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 16):
However, I have got stuck in LH's Avros with a 3-3

Ouch...3-3 on an Avro...that is probably the worst config ever!

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:56 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
however if you look at this EK 777 interior pic you can see the layout is 3-4-3 the same as a 744....

You just realised this now? It's almost as popular as the NW DC9 threads on a.net these days...

Quoting A360 (Reply 3):
Are those seats thinner than other business class seats?

Having traveled in their C multiple times my opinion is that 1. the seats are a bit narrower than the Cradle seats they replaced and 2. they're not quite as nicely padded.

There isn't much luxurious about 2-4-2 business class across the main deck of a 744 - which is why I always opt for the upper deck!

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 5):
Surely that makes up for the poor legroom...

Actually they've got quite nice pitch if I'm not mistaken - its the seat width which is uncomfortable.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 11):
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's?

= It has 3 I believe.

3 different seating configurations on the 773ER??? How many damn planes do they even have - 8 or something? Do the GECAS ones have a different configuration as compared to the Emirates-owned ones that are being delivered?

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 17):
Ouch...3-3 on an Avro...that is probably the worst config ever!

Agreed - experienced the pain of 3-3 on an RJ100 on Eurowings.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
Would it really be that diferent travel in a 748 with 400 pax or in a 389 with 700?

Yes! Just knowing there would be 749 other people on the a/c scares me.  silly 

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
I'm not sure if the 77W's don't have a slightly diferent 3 class layout than that of the 773A's, but I think so... that would make 3 seat configs (1 with 2 class, and 2 with 3 classes).

Oh okay. Yeah, I dunno either.

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 18):
3 different seating configurations on the 773ER??? How many damn planes do they even have - 8 or something? Do the GECAS ones have a different configuration as compared to the Emirates-owned ones that are being delivered?

Hey, EK ONLY has a 3 class config. on all theire 777-300ER`S.
On the EK website the plane shown is a 777-300, but no ER! EK hasnt put the 300ER seat plan into the website yet.

Hope i helped you.  Smile

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:28 pm

I went to Dubai in March of this year. Outbound was on a BA 747-400 in Y class in the center 4 section and I found it VERY uncomfortable. On the return I was on an EK 777-200 in the 2-4-2 configuration in the center 4 section and found it much more comfortable and spacious. GO Figure

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:02 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 20):
Hey, EK ONLY has a 3 class config. on all theire 777-300ER`S.
On the EK website the plane shown is a 777-300, but no ER! EK hasnt put the 300ER seat plan into the website yet.

Well according to the EK website, EK418/419 (SYD-AKL-SYD) is operated with B773ER's. No first class is offered. When did they receive their first 773ER's and why would they configure some of them in a 2 class config? Especially when they use them down to SYD - I am aware that the A345 also goes down to SYD daily, but still...


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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 6):
It looks cramped to me.

Well EK419 wasn't cramped to me last month, even on a near full B773ER

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
Does EK have 2 different seat configurations on their B773ER's? I had a look at fares from SYD-AKL and see that First Class is not offered on this route

I was on EK419 last month and it was operated by a 3 class B773ER. It appears the same aircraft operates most of the AKL-SYD flights
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:40 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 20):
Hey, EK ONLY has a 3 class config. on all theire 777-300ER`S.
On the EK website the plane shown is a 777-300, but no ER! EK hasnt put the 300ER seat plan into the website yet.

Hope i helped you.

Cheers Leo

Sorry Leo, but you are wrong there. If you look in the paperback Emirates timetable from March to October 2005 and you go to the back of the book you will see 2 different configurations for the 777-300ER. One with both business and economy and one with first business and economy.
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:43 pm

TG's regional 777-300's also have a very cramped 3-4-3 seating, and unlike EK which gives decent legroom, TG is truly cramped. I flew on such a aircraft from DEL-BKK last year and it was awful, especially because I am a bit on the heavy side. The funniest thing about the flight was the the in-flight safety video had a request for passengers not to sleep on the floor!!!!
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:47 pm

Quoting A360 (Reply 15):
Would it really be that diferent travel in a 748 with 400 pax

Wow, 400 people on an HS748 would indeed be very different  Big grin
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:44 pm

I'm 6ft and am travelling with EK in january. I hope I'm not going to be too cramped. I'm going to try my best for an upgrade. Does anyone know what the loads are like ex-LHR early january?

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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:35 pm

The EK 777's are much more comfortable on long haul than their A330's. I think the seats are the same as any other airline but the aisles are narrower than most which means that if you choose or get allocated an aisle seat just remember to keep the elbows in as the trolley is coming through!!
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:59 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 22):
Well according to the EK website, EK418/419 (SYD-AKL-SYD) is operated with B773ER's. No first class is offered.

I flew these exact flights just under a weeks ago and they both had a 3-class cabin.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:29 am

China Southern (CZ) also uses 777s with 3-4-3 seating in coach. Those southern Chinese tend to be short and skinny.
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 25):
TG's regional 777-300's also have a very cramped 3-4-3 seating, and unlike EK which gives decent legroom, TG is truly cramped. I flew on such a aircraft from DEL-BKK last year and it was awful, especially because I am a bit on the heavy side. The funniest thing about the flight was the the in-flight safety video had a request for passengers not to sleep on the floor!!!!

TG's 777-300s have a very comfortable 3-3-3 seating and good seat pitch.

TG's 777-200 (code 777) has a horrible 3-4-3 config.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:40 am

The config that always makes me cringe is the 3-3 in an Avro RJ100!
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:11 am

EK has both 2 and 3 class 773ER's. Of the first seven, three are high density and 4 are low density. I think it is the saturday morning BKK/SYD flight that departs as a 2 class aircraft, the rest of the week it is a 3 class config. The seats do not seem to be that cramped, except the aisles are very narrow!!! Atleast there is decent seat pitch, which is very much appreciated when you are 6"2'!!!
 
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:18 am

EK B777 inner seats are not comfortable at all with 3-4-3 conig.
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RE: EK 777's Cramped?

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Musn't be very confortable

3-4-3 in EKs 777s is the stuff you want to avoid. It is very cramped however their A330 is a lot better with 2-4-2!