BTCCMan
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Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:38 am

I work for the US arm of a German company, based in the metro DC area. We have a need to attend a global meeting in Berlin in January and take approximately 120 people over for 5-6 days duration. Can anyone suggest whether the charter of an aircraft (given the probable four crossings that will be required due to the aircraft needing to return to its base of origin between the flights that we require) would be feasable economically? We are currently looking at $2K per ticket on existing carriers...
Thanks!
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:41 am

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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:45 am

January is one of the absolute slowest travel times. You can easily find tickets in the $400-$500 r/t range between Washington and Germany. Going on Expedia, I just found $485 r/t IAD-FRA in the middle of January. Unless you need to get tickets in the premium cabin? Regardless, chartering an aircraft will probably cost more than $485x120.
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting BTCCMan (Thread starter):

Not a charter, but you could request airlines to use bigger aircraft for the flights you need (maybe LH?).
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:13 am

From experience the charter flight well be more expensive, I did a little fare research for you and I found that a RT ticket from IAD to BER on LH will be around $480 + tax for individual travels, it will be a little bet more for the group booking but in all cases it will be less than $1000 per PAX including all taxes. You can get this rate from any major consolidator. Let me know if you needed any help in this regards i have two offices in USA that can help.

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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
You can easily find tickets in the $400-$500 r/t range between Washington and Germany. Going on Expedia, I just found $485 r/t IAD-FRA in the middle of January. Unless you need to get tickets in the premium cabin?

Maybe you should read the original post again. They need to go to Berlin not FRA. They have 120 people, so they can't be looking at premium seats unless they are all going to travel separately.

BTCCMan, I would check with Miami Air. A B738 would be able to make it with a fuel stop somewhere, which is obviously more preferable than a plane change. Or you could try the LH group desk at 800-982-7681
 
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting BTCCMan (Thread starter):
work for the US arm of a German company, based in the metro DC area. We have a need to attend a global meeting in Berlin in January and take approximately 120 people over for 5-6 days duration. Can anyone suggest whether the charter of an aircraft (given the probable four crossings that will be required due to the aircraft needing to return to its base of origin between the flights that we require) would be feasable economically? We are currently looking at $2K per ticket on existing carriers...
Thanks!

I would try Primaris

http://www.primarisairlines.com/index.aspx

Or MaxJet & just buy up the airplane:

https://www.maxjet.com

I know a Dispatcher at Primaris, & if you run into a brick wall, I may be able to get a contact for you a Maxjet..



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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:55 pm

Try our B757 view and request a charter at www.n801dm.com.



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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:46 pm

North American Airlines 757 could do it...
215 seats including a first class cabin.


http://www.oxer.com/clients/naa2/charterusForm.asp

Fill out that form and they'll quote you a price.
 
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:50 pm

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 5):

Maybe you should read the original post again. They need to go to Berlin not FRA.

IAD-TXL still comes in at $485.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 5):
They have 120 people, so they can't be looking at premium seats unless they are all going to travel separately.

Of course they can. There are charter carriers that specialize in premium aircraft configurations.
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:34 pm

Do you really think it's smart to put 120 of your employees on the same plane? A little bit of risk mgt seems warranted.
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:38 pm

Guys, remember, even if you can find a low fare on the route, there is no way that there will be 120 available seats on any one flight at that price. Take multiple flights? That could create a logistics nightmare.
 
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:45 pm

Many US charter carriers regularly take military charters to places in Germany. This might well give you the opportunity to fly your group on the otherwise-empty return leg of one of their flights or otherwise afford you the opportunity to have a reduced rate from the aircraft not having to ferry empty back across the Pond.

Those airlines would be North American in Jamaica, NY www.northamericanair.com (757s, 767s)

American Trans Air www.ata.com (737-800s, 757s, L1011s)

World Airways www.worldair.com (DC10s, MD11s)

Omni Air International http://www.omniairintl.com/ (757s, DC10s) Omni, in particular, does a lot of flights from BWI across the pond to Germany, so the repositioning cost, if you time it right, could be minimal.

Still, at $485 per round trip, you probably can't beat the majors. Where'd you get the $2K per person? If a travel agent told you that, I'd fire them and quick.

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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:45 pm

Email me--I have a lot of contacts precisely for this requirement.
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Of course they can. There are charter carriers that specialize in premium aircraft configurations

Yes, but you were talking about booking on Expedia not charters!

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
Guys, remember, even if you can find a low fare on the route, there is no way that there will be 120 available seats on any one flight at that price.

But anything over 9 seats has to be done with the airline's group desk so they would get 120 seats at one price.
 
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RE: Need For A Trans Atlantic Charter For ~120 People

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:00 am

As some people already mentioned, you'll hardly get 120 tickets on the same flight for the discounted $400-$500 fares.

As said, every groups larger than 9 people (Sabre and other reservation systems only show you and let you grab a max of 9 seats) usually require a group quotation from the carrier itself - my experience from working in a travel agency is that a group rate - that usually also allows further useful adjustements, such as name changes, free cancellations, possible stopovers for those that wish one etc. - comes in at around twice or 2.5 times the amount of the discounted rate. Thus, $ 1000 to $ 1250 per pax roundtrip could be a realistic fare. Since EastCoast to Europe is served my many carriers, it should be possible to get a group fare in that range. However, a transfer would even be required if taking DLs or COs nonstop services to TXL, since they only leave from JFK and EWR.

So a Charter - even though it might be somewhat dearer - could be the more conveniant option by taking you from IAD nonstop or direct ot TXL or SXF.

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