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Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:40 pm

http://www.aerospacemedia.com/AFP/pr....asp?xml=051116122256.i40mamc8.xml

Sorry in French............

More A350 and A320 orders during the Dubai Air Show.

A350 Emirates announcement ?
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:44 pm

Maybe Gulf Air - they wanted to make fleet decisions end of this year. It's mid of november  Smile
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:05 pm

I predict an order for EI. They have opened up a new route to DXB what better place to announce the type of aircraft that are going to serve this route in the future. BTW Aer Lingus are just about all Airbus now.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 2):
Aer Lingus are just about all Airbus now.

So are EK, QR and Etihad. I don't think this is a reason for the 350/320 announcement for EI.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 2):
I predict an order for EI.

DUB airport is flooded with A350 commercials. Did they work?
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:11 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
DUB airport is flooded with A350 commercials

I noticed that too! Maybe they are trying to attract Wille Walsh after his weekend in Dublin!
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:13 pm

What about Emirates possible A350 order. And the roumered SU order discussed last week. I know EI are also planning on getting more A320s (10 options held), so this could a good time for an announcement if EI want publicity for their new DUB - DXB route.

EI747SYDNEY,
I cant see EI ordering A350s (thats if they do even order Airbus) until proper financing is in place for a decent amount of aircraft. I would not be surprised to see EI order a couple of 332s (maybe cancelations from AC or NW) as Dermot Mannion said in an interview last week that he may well order a few additional long haul jets to fill the gap for the moment. Remember, with the SNN stopover being phased out from next Nov, EI will be looking at 3 additional American routes from DUB from this date. MIA, DFW and SFO are hot in the running.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:33 pm

Is there any O&D traffic from LAX and will there be any from DFW, SFO and MIA to Ireland? I can't imagine who would fly from those cities to Dublin.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting Numbertwelve (Reply 3):
So are EK,

No actually EK have 777's in its fleet and bunch of 777-300ER's on order.
Having said that they will most likely order the A350 IMO.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:45 pm

This just hit the wires. I can't post the link becasue it is not archived, so I am posting the entire newsflash.

- n1786b


Airbus expects to announce orders of A350s and A320s later this month - source

PARIS (AFX) - Airbus expects to announce several orders of its long-haul A350 and single-corridor A320 planes at the Dubai Aeronautical show later this month, according to a source close to the matter.

The source said that Airbus is expecting this to include new contracts, but added that some of these announcements are likely to concern the transformation into firm orders of already announced intentions to buy, such as those signed by Kuweit's ALAFCO, which signalled its intention to buy 12 A350s back in June.

Airbus is also in negotiations with Qatar Airways to convert 60 intentions to buy A350s into finalised orders, worth a total of around 10.6 bln usd, but according to the source, the chances of this happening in Dubai were "weaker."

An Airbus spokesperson would only confirm that the company expects "several orders announcements" in Dubai, without giving further details.
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:49 pm

Quoting Numbertwelve (Reply 1):
Maybe Gulf Air - they wanted to make fleet decisions end of this year.

GF is a good call as they could well order further A320's in addition to their current fleet, they may well go with the A350 too. Mr Hogan has been quite cautious and a mixed order could well be possible.

Quoting Numbertwelve (Reply 3):
Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 2):
Aer Lingus are just about all Airbus now.

So are EK, QR and Etihad.

EK have to be the prime candidate for a large A350 order whilst I expect QR to finalise their MoU for 60 A350s. Etihad could go either way. Let's not forget that even though the carriers you list have large Airbus commitment's their fleet planning does not see them as being all just about Airbus. EK have 30 + 9 773ERs on order, Etihad have 5 773ERs and QR will order a mix of 20 777s.

Dubai is shaping up to be very good for Airbus and Boeing.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:50 pm

AirLiban,
There would be considerable O&D to/from MIA and SFO and some from DFW. Florida is big as a holiday destination from DUB with a lot of Irish owning second homes there. There is a decent Irish population in San Fran (also a popular holiday destination in summer) and I think Dallas has a limited Irish American population too. I guess its the same situation with LAX. DUB has big potential for EUROPE-USA transfer traffic (esp from europe with the US immigration pre-clearance here) but DUB is an awful airport from this point of view as there is still no proper transfer channel in DUB.

[Edited 2005-11-16 14:56:48]
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:56 pm

But this is expected. Airbus loves these showes as the media is there. Airbus is going to pull all the major wins since the Paris show and put on a show. Just another thread stating the obvious. I think its more like if Airbus doesn't announce any than that would be a problem.

Boeing OTOH does not... like yesterdays lauch of the 748 even though they easily could have next week.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
DUB airport is flooded with A350 commercials. Did they work?

Yep also noticed that myself when there this weekend, a hige billboard at roundabout just outside the airport and I saw 4 large ads in the Departures Hall. DM did say in the Sunday Tribune this Sunday that an order would be placed within the next 2 months. He also said he wants to double the fleet size in the coming years to 42 short haul and 14 long haul.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:01 pm

I just read an interview with Leahy (sorry, in German (rather Austrian))

http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2242222

He claims that Airbus has 200 orders for the A350 and that they'll have 800 orders for the whole year!

Do you also say "WTF!"?

Maybe they are again saving all announcements for the air show.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Numbertwelve (Reply 3):
So are EK, QR and Etihad. I don't think this is a reason for the 350/320 announcement for EI

What about all their 777's and their 747 Freighters. EI will have zero Boeing aircraft by the end of the month.

Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
DUB airport is flooded with A350 commercials. Did they work?

I really have no idea. But then again lets wait and see.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:11 pm

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Im not expecting that many orders from Airbus for the A350 at Dubai. Most of the likely canditates dont seem to be at the stage where they are about to place orders. There should be some 787 orders also. I guss we will find out soon.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:24 pm

E.g. GECAS, Turkish Airlines, Aeroflot, Air Pacific, ILFC, Kuwait and Royal Jordanian are also in the market for A350's/787's.

Air Astana, Czech, Egypt Air, Gulf Traveler, Iran Air, Libya, Saudi Arabian, Sibir or Uzbekistan could also place orders for those aircraft.

For narrowbody's, Air Algerie, Europe Airpost, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Jat Airways, Aerosvit Airlines, Virgin Express, Bulgaria Air, Ukraine International Airlines, Air Baltic, Lithuanian Airlines, Tunis Air, Karthago Airlines, Maersk Air, Air Malta, Astraeus and Blue Panorama Airlines could decide for fleet renewal.

I think it is save to say I'm sure 1 of these will be there.

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:05 am

Malaysian Airlines perhaps for the A320?
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At D

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
Im not expecting that many orders from Airbus for the A350 at Dubai.

I think there will be... maybe not a lot of customers but a lot of A350 orders. Close too 100 is my prediction...

Again, it's a great year for the A350.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:39 am

DFW makes sense for EI as they would be feeding into AA as part of the Oneworld alliance. AA would be able to feed lots of pax from the Southwest as well as central/south America same goes for MIA.
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
A350 Emirates announcement ?



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
What about Emirates possible A350 order



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
EK have to be the prime candidate for a large A350

I dont know why but I still have a gut felling that Boeing will pull a hail mary and get the EK order.

Quoting Numbertwelve (Reply 3):
Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 2):
Aer Lingus are just about all Airbus now.

So are EK, QR and Etihad

EK, QR and Etihad have all ordered a large amount of 777NG's and EK has a huge 777 fleet. I dont know but in my book the 777 is made by Boeing, so stating that these are almost all airbus is a bunch of bull.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
He claims that Airbus has 200 orders for the A350 and that they'll have 800 orders for the whole year!

Leahy has got to share with everybody whatever the hell he's smoking.



I think that we will just see previously announced orders being converted to firm.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:54 am

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It's not surprising at all that Boeing announced the launch of the 747-8 , not at the DXB Air Show , but yesterday , since the A380 is really having a tremendous success with the public in its Asia Pacific tour , that it is very well in the Boeing manner to make announcement when Airbus is in the highlights.
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
EK, QR and Etihad have all ordered a large amount of 777NG's

EY only five IIRC.

And I don't know what Leahy is smoking, but we should wait until the year is over.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:35 am

I think DXB is looking like it will be a bonanza for both OEMS. Boeing have stated in the media this week that although they don't wait to announce at airshows, that they basically will announce quite a few orders at DXB. A big EK 777 commitment appears a given.
Will be interesting to see how many truly " new" orders are announced and not firming up of earlier commitments or announcements of UFO customers.
Interesting that Airbus neglected to mention the A340(they have said the 380 likely won't get any more orders this year). The 340 has to win at one of CX/QF/SQ IMO and CX would be by far the best bet. If it can't win at CX then it's future orders rest with carriers such as CI/PR and follow-ons from existing customers.
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
Leahy has got to share with everybody whatever the hell he's smoking.

Actually I heard better.
It was Douste-Blazy, former mayor of Toulouse and today's minister of foreign affairs who said on TV "when Boeing sells 3 planes, Airbus sells 7".

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
He claims that Airbus has 200 orders for the A350 and that they'll have 800 orders for the whole year!

He says a lot of things, but he also counts commitments as orders. He always has. They aren't the same, but the non-aviation press takes his word.

They will have 200 commitments by year end. They are close already. But there's 6 weeks to firm up 175 at this point. And 6 weeks to firm up over 300 total to reach 800 by the end the year, no?

I do have to ask why would an airline hurry to firm up and sign the A350 contracts by Dec 31 when they have the purchase rights already and the plane isn't going into service for 4 years? Why spend the money before the end of the year for those deposits, especially if they already got the big press by making their intentions clear and signing the Loi? Is Airbus offering a discount to sign by Dec 31 or something?
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:31 am

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 24):
they have said the 380 likely won't get any more orders this year

I see the 380 going into a quiet period on the orders front for the next year. I guess we can presume that in the airline business like most others, Airlines know when their competitors are going to make a move (ie order). Why bother ordering the 380 now, the delivery slots all but are full in the short term, just wait a year to see how it performs in service, talking less risk in the process. The same might be said for the 787. This happened when the 330/340 ws being introduced. The programme got considerable orders when the aircraft were launched, but towards the end of the flight tests orders went quite. Then the aircraft entered service, prooved themselves and orders came in again. I think the 330 only recieved a single order in one of the years I refer to.

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 24):
The 340 has to win at one of CX/QF/SQ

Id be astonished if SQ went for the 340.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
I dont know why but I still have a gut felling that Boeing will pull a hail mary and get the EK order.

Any reason in particular?

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
EK, QR and Etihad have all ordered a large amount of 777NG's

What do you mean by NG? -LR or -ER models?

Quoting FCKC (Reply 22):
It's not surprising at all that Boeing announced the launch of the 747-8 , not at the DXB Air Show , but yesterday , since the A380 is really having a tremendous success with the public in its Asia Pacific tour , that it is very well in the Boeing manner to make announcement when Airbus is in the highlights.

I agree. The 748 has not yet been announced to the world. Boeing get a great opportunaty to showcase it at Dubai. Good to see the old girl has plenty of life left in her. On a different note (not refering to this thread), I wish some people with certain agendas on this site would stop trying to insist that the 748 and A380 are not in the same class / do not compete head to head. If they are both evaluated equally by a prospective airline looking at placing an order (take BA as an example), then they are both competing equally.

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
He says a lot of things, but he also counts commitments as orders. He always has. They aren't the same, but the non-aviation press takes his word.

They will have 200 commitments by year end. They are close already. But there's 6 weeks to firm up 175 at this point. And 6 weeks to firm up over 300 total to reach 800 by the end the year, no?

Ok but Boeing also said the same this time last year. How hany of the 787 by end of last year were firm and how many were commitments? (serioulsy, I cant recall, did Boeing mean 200 firm of 200 commitments?)

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 28):
Ok but Boeing also said the same this time last year. How hany of the 787 by end of last year were firm and how many were commitments? (serioulsy, I cant recall, did Boeing mean 200 firm of 200 commitments?)

If they said 200 firm, than they're off by nearly a year. Even today there are no 200 firm orders for the 787 IIRC.
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:13 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see some carriers ordering 359 to replace their 342s and 343s. What about AF ordering 359s to replace the 343 and 358s to replace the 332 ? But also LH ? or IB ?

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:20 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Airbus is also in negotiations with Qatar Airways to convert 60 intentions to buy A350s into finalised orders, worth a total of around 10.6 bln usd, but according to the source, the chances of this happening in Dubai were "weaker."

N1786b is quoting from this article,Airbus expects to announce orders of A350s and A320s later this month - source
I am curious as to why the article comments on the chances of QR firming up their orders as being "weaker". Since we specialize in speculation on this forum, could it be that that impressive 787-10 illustration in "Flight International" is giving QR an opportunity to apply the screws to Airbus for further discounts? Leahy is on record as saying he'll have 200 A350 orders this year.

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
A350 Emirates announcement ?

Bet on it.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for A319/320 for join LO/C0 order... the talk in Warsaw is that this could go up to 40 frames!

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):
Leahy has got to share with everybody whatever the hell he's smoking.

Hey!

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 29):
If they said 200 firm, than they're off by nearly a year. Even today there are no 200 firm orders for the 787 IIRC.

oh, yes they are 4 shy.... lol, well, lets just wait and see if Boeing updates their order book tomorrow... they should have AC's 18 787 in there...

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:55 pm

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Have you any reliable sources , links about a possible A319/320 order by LOT?
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:01 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 33):
well, lets just wait and see if Boeing updates their order book tomorrow... they should have AC's 18 787 in there...

That's why I said nearly a year. 11 months, or 323 days is nearly a year, not?  Yeah sure
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:08 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 28):
Ok but Boeing also said the same this time last year. How hany of the 787 by end of last year were firm and how many were commitments? (serioulsy, I cant recall, did Boeing mean 200 firm of 200 commitments?)

they were wrong.

so you are saying that Airbus should repeat this error after making a big deal about it earlier in the year?

what kind of logic is that.

counting the way Leahy counts orders, the 787 now has nearly 300 orders.
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:27 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 33):
oh, yes they are 4 shy.... lol, well, lets just wait and see if Boeing updates their order book tomorrow...

No need to. Boeing have 36 firm unlisted orders from Chinese carriers that they cannot list until Beijing grants approval, we're all well aware of the Political influence related to Chinese orders. Each carrier has filed that they have completed the order with Boeing so they reached 200 many months ago. Also RAM confirmed 4 so that'll take it to 200 too.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 34):
Have you any reliable sources , links about a possible A319/320 order by LOT?

Whilst no formal announcement has been made when LOT ordered their 787s they cancelled their 2 outstanding 737-800 orders. To me, that is a good indicator as to which way they'll go with their NB fleet. Boeing Widebodies and Airbus for Narrowbodies. After all, why cancel 737NG's if you intend to order more?

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:30 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 36):
counting the way Leahy counts orders, the 787 now has nearly 300 orders.

It is widely expected that these orders will indeed be firmed up, with the exception of Primaris perhaps. Therefore, IMO, it's fair to say they have over 300 orders.
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:49 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
He says a lot of things, but he also counts commitments as orders. He always has. They aren't the same, but the non-aviation press takes his word.

Both Leahy and Baseler do this on a regular basis. Fortunately, the respective manufacturers websites only list the firmest of firm orders.
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:57 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 37):
No need to. Boeing have 36 firm unlisted orders from Chinese carriers that they cannot list until Beijing grants approval, we're all well aware of the Political influence related to Chinese orders. Each carrier has filed that they have completed the order with Boeing so they reached 200 many months ago. Also RAM confirmed 4 so that'll take it to 200 too.



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 39):
Fortunately, the respective manufacturers websites only list the firmest of firm orders.

So the Chinese orders (while I certainly believe eventually they will) aren't that firmed afterall.
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:20 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 34):
Have you any reliable sources , links about a possible A319/320 order by LOT?

I don't have a link but this was communicated several times that they are looking at 737NG and A320 family. Only C0 is supposed to order up to 24 frames (12+12 options) plus LO a few as well.
However I think they are using Airbus only to get a better price for Boeings. If they went Airbus that would be the biggest sensation of the year.
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:30 pm

I would like to congratulate everyone sofar on this thread.
Here we have a tread talking about airbus and boeing with several Americans
and Europeans participating and stating their opinions, yet all of this is done
in a very civilised and mature manner.This is just marvellous.I'd put you all
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:40 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 36):
they were wrong.

Boeing was also talking about commitments last year. And they didn't have 200 commitments for the 787 on Dec. 31st, that's what the 'ruckus' was about last year.
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:41 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
I just read an interview with Leahy (sorry, in German (rather Austrian))

http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2242222

He claims that Airbus has 200 orders for the A350 and that they'll have 800 orders for the whole year!

Do you also say "WTF!"?

Maybe they are again saving all announcements for the air show.

Don't distract the facts. When he talks about 800, he talks about ALL AIRBUS ORDERS for 2005, not specifically about the A350.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 21):

Leahy has got to share with everybody whatever the hell he's smoking.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
They will have 200 commitments by year end. They are close already. But there's 6 weeks to firm up 175 at this point. And 6 weeks to firm up over 300 total to reach 800 by the end the year, no?

see above.
 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:04 pm

Any news or even rumour Wink if Tunisair will announce a deal with Airbus or Boeing ?!
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:30 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 40):
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 39):
Fortunately, the respective manufacturers websites only list the firmest of firm orders.

So the Chinese orders (while I certainly believe eventually they will) aren't that firmed afterall.

Whilst these orders are not yet listed, they've been signed. China Southern, Xiamen Airlines, China Eastern and Hainan have all had trading in their shares suspended, as per regulatory requirement's, to make the announcements that they had finalised the orders and paid deposits. The confirmation is in the public domain and by Boeing having announced the 36 orders [as part of a total of 60 from Chinese carriers] that are not yet on their site, they are not in breach of SEC disclosure requirements. This enables them to carry them on the books as unlisted. Again, I refer to the Political Element. Chinese President Hu was due to announce this on his visit to the U.S. but Hurricane Katrina forced this to be cancelled. President Bush will visit China this month, expect confirmation then.

Back on topic. Airbus have recently launched the A318 Elite, any chance we could see some orders for this model at Dubai?

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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:58 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
(sorry, in German (rather Austrian))

Austrian rocks  Wink

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Maybe they are again saving all announcements for the air show.

They do this most of the time. Makes things more exciting and gives them more publicity  bigthumbsup   hyper 

Quoting Manni (Reply 18):
Malaysian Airlines perhaps for the A320?

Would they? Do they even have any in their fleet already? They have 39 B734s so I don't really think they will order the A320 at the moment.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
why would an airline hurry to firm up and sign the A350 contracts by Dec 31 when they have the purchase rights already and the plane isn't going into service for 4 years?

Normal Procedure... There are many examples. The first one that props to my mind is Cargolux. Last week they signed for the B748 to be delivered end of 2009. We're now 2005 so that's 4 years. It's not done any differently on the other side of the pond  Wink

Quoting EI321 (Reply 6):
What about Emirates possible A350 order. And the roumered SU order discussed last week

I am quite sure Emirates will be ordering the A350 if my gut instinct is not betraying me. And I am not quite sure that the Aeroflot announcement was just a "rumour"  scratchchin 
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:14 pm

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 47):
Would they? Do they even have any in their fleet already? They have 39 B734s so I don't really think they will order the A320 at the moment.

Yes, it's possible. I believe a decision to replace these old 737 is due to be announced soon. Candidates being the A320 and the 737NG.

To stay in the same region. Bangkok Air is also planning to shop for planes. Përhaps additional A320's or a couple A350's for their international operations.
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RE: Airbus Will Announce A350 And A320 Orders At DXB

Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:21 pm

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 44):
Don't distract the facts. When he talks about 800, he talks about ALL AIRBUS ORDERS for 2005, not specifically about the A350.

I'm not distracting anything. That's exactly what I said.
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