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USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:17 am

11/16/2005 07:09:28 AM EST
Gazeta Mercantil (Brazil) - English


American commercial airline US Airways, which recently completed a Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization process, is negotiating the purchase of new jetliners from Embraer. Antônio Luiz Pizarro Manso, Embraer´s executive corporate vice-president for investor relations, said that the negotiations with US Airways involves the sale of the model 190 jets, with 100-seat capacity or the swap of current orders for model 170 jets, already placed previously by the American airline. US Airways currently has a contract to buy 85 of the 170 jetliners, Embraer´s largest, in a deal evaluated at US$2.1 billion. Embraer has already delivered 28 and still has 57 firm orders in hand. © 2005 NoticiasFinancieras - Gazeta Mercantil - All rights reserved



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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:24 am

Mainline or express?
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:28 am

I think that is for mainline...

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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:26 am

Yes it will be mainline. CRJ-900s would go express. Good to see they are making a good choice...though this probably will mean the end to the 733s. However, maybe not. They have a gap since the F-100s, DC-9s and 737-200s left the fleet.
 
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:42 am

They do have a gap, with CRJ-900s seating 87 and 733s seating 126. Most likely the 733s will be replaced with more 319s.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 3):
CRJ-900s would go express

I'm assuming because HP already had them in express fleet/union terms?
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 4):
They do have a gap, with CRJ-900s seating 87 and 733s seating 126. Most likely the 733s will be replaced with more 319s.

US Airways' A-319's (not sure about the old America West birds) have 120 seats (12/108)...
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 4):

I'm assuming because HP already had them in express fleet/union terms?

An agreement negotiated with the pilots was for E190's to be mainline, and CRJ-900's to be express. There's a thread on it, probably about 6 weeks old.
 
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:34 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 5):
US Airways' A-319's (not sure about the old America West birds) have 120 seats (12/108)...

America West's A319s have 124 (12/112).
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 7):

America West's A319s have 124 (12/112).

Is there a plan in the works to start retrofitting to a universal interior any time in the future? I realize though with the finances involved it would probably be quite a few years off.
 
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:06 am

Yawn. Wake me when something actually happens.

*Of course* they're negotiating with Embraer. They're negotiating with Bombardier too. And neither of them are news.

Quoting KYAir (Reply 1):
Mainline or express?

Probably.  Silly

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 3):
Good to see they are making a good choice...though this probably will mean the end to the 733s. However, maybe not.

Come on, you know that the EMB-190s wouldn't count toward the minimum mainline fleet count. And those hard-liners over at ALPA just *never* grant any contract relief.  Wink

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 8):
Is there a plan in the works to start retrofitting to a universal interior any time in the future? I realize though with the finances involved it would probably be quite a few years off.

They're going to make the configurations the same for the fleets where it only involves moving seats around and changing the size of the F/Y cabins. They're not going to move any lavs or galleys, where they're configured differently, so there will remain slight differences in configurations when it's all over.
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:24 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 9):
Come on, you know that the EMB-190s wouldn't count toward the minimum mainline fleet count. And those hard-liners over at ALPA just *never* grant any contract relief.

ALPA? What do they have to do with this? You mean there is still a union over there?  Smile

Okay...hmm...let me spin this. They will replace 733s with 190s, but then add 330s to make up the fleet numbers. OH! Then there will be PHX based pilots in the left seats of the widebodies. How is that?  Wink
 
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:31 pm

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 10):
Then there will be PHX based pilots in the left seats of the widebodies. How is that?

You forgot to add that there will be 2 year-hires more senior than 17 year pilots.   

Oh well, that's the industry for you.

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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:49 pm

Another great news for Embraer.Congratulations to them.
 
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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:49 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 11):
You forgot to add that there will be 2 year-hires more senior than 17 year pilots.

Careful, touch that issue and it's likely to go thermonuclear.   

As always, there are two sides to the story.

Side 1: AWA saved every single USAirways pilot from being on the street by Christmas. Therefore any flying AWA pilot should be kept flying, and not replaced by a furloughed USAirways pilot. The AWA pilot list was growing, and they were hiring until the merger was announced. Their 'career expectations' was growth and expansion. In fact, staple all the USAirways guys below us AWA pilots

Side 2: USAirways pilots have time and again saved the company from liquidation by their givebacks. We have guys that have been here 17 years that are on furlough. They deserve to be placed above the short-timers at AWA. In fact, go Date-of-Hire. That way the most senior Captain at AWA, who was the first pilot hired by the company, should now be a mid-range co-pilot for us.

In reality it will be somewhere inbetween those two extremes. Where it ends, we'll find out in a few months.

Good luck to all.

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RE: USAirways Negotiating The Purchase Of E190

Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:11 pm

Quoting HAL (Reply 13):
AWA saved every single USAirways pilot from being on the street by Christmas.

Someone's been drinking too much Kool-Aid.  Yeah sure
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