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Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:38 am

I was just down in Miami last weekend, flew DCA-MIA-NAS-MIA-DCA. I was wondering about Eagle's ATR operation in Miami.

How many aircraft do they operate there and on what routes?

Secondly I was wondering how much life these birds have left and what kind of aircraft Eagle will use to replace them?
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:43 am

Quoting KDCA (Thread starter):
How many aircraft do they operate there and on what routes?

Eagle operates a total of 41 ATRs, all based in MIA and SJU and flown by Eagle's wholly-owned Caribbean unit Executive Airlines. Of the 41, the majority -- probably 25-30 I would imagine -- are based in SJU, as this is definitely the much larger of the two Eagle bases. From MIA, Eagle flies nonstop with ATRs to NAS (10x daily), EYW (5x daily), JAX (4x daily), RSW (3x daily), FPO (3x daily), GGT (1-2x daily) and MMH (1x daily). It's a relatively small operation -- only 27-28 daily departures. It fluctuates a bit from season to season, but very little.

Quoting KDCA (Thread starter):
Secondly I was wondering how much life these birds have left and what kind of aircraft Eagle will use to replace them?

Quite a bit. Eagle has been flying ATR aircraft for years, and is pleased with them. They are not the most comfortable planes (loud, etc.) but serve the purpose well. And, since Eagle has absolutely no money budgeted for a replacement, they are not going to be going anywhere anytime soon.
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:25 am

MQ also supplements OW's ATR in MIA with RJ's for longer distances. None of those are based in MIA. Is that correct? I believe MIA sees RJ from CLE, IND, CLT, CVG, CMH, MEM (I believe), ORF, PIT, RIC. This is off the top of my head. Did I miss one?
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:30 am

I also think the ATRs run MIA-Cuba charters, don't they?

I actually kind of like the ATRs for short hops (EYW-MIA, SJU-STX, etc.). They are somewhat comfortable but a little loud. Just crank up the iPod.  silly 
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:49 am

The most important feature of American Eagle's ATRs, and the reason why they aren't going anywhere anytime soon, is their cargo capacity, which is crucial on their intra-Caribbean and Miami-Bahamas routes. Unfortunatley, their large size makes them unviable to smaller markets in the Bahamas, which is dominated by Continental Connection's 19-seat Beech 1900Ds.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 2):
I believe MIA sees RJ from CLE, IND, CLT, CVG, CMH, MEM (I believe), ORF, PIT, RIC. This is off the top of my head. Did I miss one?

American Eagle's MIA RJ ops:

Charlotte - 2x (+1x mainline)
Cincinnati - 1x
Cleveland - 2x
Columbus - 1x
Dayton - 1x
Greensboro - 1x
Indianapolis - 1x (+1x mainline)
Louisville - 1x
Memphis - 2x
Nashville - 2x (+1x mainline)
Norfolk - 1x
Richmond - 2x

Look for Birmingham in the not so distant future. Baton Rouge, Fayetteville (AK), Greer, and Savannah have also been talked about.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:53 am

Did Executive get rid of their ATR-42's? The last time I was in MIA, they only had the Super ATR-72's. I flew the ATR-42 from MIA-NAS and the ATR-72 from NAS-MIA. The ATR-42 was kind of cramped and old. But the ATR-72 was actually not that bad.
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:05 am

Thank you for all of the informative responses, particularly from Commavia and MAH4546!
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
I also think the ATRs run MIA-Cuba charters, don't they?

Absolutely correct Sir, that I can guarantee!

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Just crank up the iPod.

Yeah, but are those aloud in Cuba? Last I hear, the Cuban National Guard was looking for a couple of them! I hear they help out the rides in the old Cubana Russian Props as well! he! He!  rotfl 
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:38 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Nashville - 2x (+1x mainline)

Ah, MAH4546, Darn it, forgot BNA was down graded! Good job! I knew I had forgotten one

I thought Dayton was done. It's not even in the mini-MIA flight guide that is published. I need to get to AA's website and see if that is still on! If it's still on, what are the loads like.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Look for Birmingham in the not so distant future. Baton Rouge, Fayetteville (AK), Greer, and Savannah have also been talked about.

Agree, especially on Baton Rouge and Savannah. Great cities, horrible to get to directly from South Florida unless you want to fly to MSY or JAX non stop and drive! Otherwise it's hubs, hubs, hubs!
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:43 am

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 8):

Ah, MAH4546, Darn it, forgot BNA was down graded! Good job! I knew I had forgotten one

Nashville wasn't downgraded. It used to be one daily S80. Now it is 1 daily 738 and 2 daily ERJ-140s. That's an upgrade.

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 8):

I thought Dayton was done. It's not even in the mini-MIA flight guide that is published. I need to get to AA's website and see if that is still on! If it's still on, what are the loads like.

Dayton is still flying daily and constantly goes out full, along with most of the MQ RJ operations. You might be confusing this with Delta's FLL-DAY, which ends next month.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:50 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Columbus - 1x

Is that Columbus, GEORGIA?

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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 10):
Is that Columbus, GEORGIA?

It's CMH.

Just out of curiousity, how much of the traffic on those MQ flights is O&D and how much is connecting? I'm wondering what the main purpose of them is.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:23 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
MMH (1x daily).

I would love to see an ATR with that kind of range
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Dayton is still flying daily and constantly goes out full, along with most of the MQ RJ operations. You might be confusing this with Delta's FLL-DAY, which ends next month.

MAH4546, correct you are! FLL - DAY is ending. Funny though because MIA does put out a Mini-timetable and it states that they get their info from OAG, but I'm telling you, it's not there! Funny, now that I'm at a computer that can download the PDF schedule off AA, it sure is there!

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Just out of curiousity, how much of the traffic on those MQ flights is O&D and how much is connecting? I'm wondering what the main purpose of them is.

Don't quote me 100%, but I would say that while I'm sure connecting is important, I've noticed alot of Ohio-Florida O & D lately. Ohio has become pretty cheap to fly in and out of. I'd say the RJ's especially the ERJ's are perfect for DAY and CHM.

ATR out of MIA does = perfect for cargo to the main islands.
 
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
I would love to see an ATR with that kind of range

 laughing  He probably means MHH which is supposed to be Marsh Harbour.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:32 pm

After having spent alot of time fueling these jokers on their 4x daily JAX runs, I can safely say they are the rattiest thing flying under any major US airline's colors. Parts were constantly missing off the things, the paint looked like crap, interiors were shoddy at best, and man are they helpless. They lack an APU, so you have to have a power cart and an AC cart waiting for it when it gets there. Pain in the butt to handle, IMHO.

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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:45 am

Quote:
Just out of curiousity, how much of the traffic on those MQ flights is O&D and how much is connecting? I'm wondering what the main purpose of them is.

I've wondered that as well.

As far as the Columbus flight goes, I would imagine most of it is O&D, especially with such an early departure time (6:43AM). My guess is that a large majority of passengers on that flight are cruise ship bound, especially since the AAgents I talk to here in CMH say the damn thing is always weight-restricted. Also, from what I've seen it looks like the majority of the South American departures from MIA leave in the evening, making the current CMH-MIA flight time pretty undesirable for S.A. connections. I personally would like to a schedule similar to IND's to MIA from CMH: a 737-800 in the morning for all the cruise ship passengers, local O&D, and whatever connections are available in the morning, and then an ERJ in the late afternoon to join with the evening bank of flights to South America.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:12 am

Since American doesn't operate any banks at MIA, it's all luck of the draw as to which route connect to which destinations. Ideally, AA would like to run two daily flights on most of these services, but lack of aircraft availability prevents this. A second daily to Columbus and Pittsburgh in the near future would not surprise me (PIT already gets a 2nd flight on Saturdays; CMH gets a 2nd and 3rd daily on Saturdays, and a 2nd daily on Sundays; these are possible because of Eagle's reduced schedule on business markets that free up planes).

With the smaller markets, AA perfers to offer connections to the Caribbean rather than LatAm. LatAm traffic is minimal for these markets, and the major LatAm cities can be reached via Dallas' LatAm services, which rely very heavily on connecting traffic. This also frees more seats for the higher yielding local traffic.

AA's MIA hub has a higher proportion of O&D than most hubs do, but largely thanks to their international operations. Some international routes have O&D as high as 80% (like PAP). O&D on domestic routes is much lower, and is usually between 35 and 55%, with the longer-hauls and key business markets (SFO, LAX, DCA, BOS, NYC) having the higher proportion of O&D. Ironically, AA's MIA flight with the highest percentage of O&D is domestic - Vail/Eagle, Colorado (95%+ O&D) - and the lowest is international - Hamilton, Bermuda (30% O&D).

American Airlines new lower fare structure that was implenented a year ago has really helped AA get a much stronger amount of local domestic O&D. Their domestic O&D traffic at MIA has gone roughly 10% since the new fare system went into place.

[Edited 2005-11-17 22:14:14]
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:18 am

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LatAm traffic is minimal for these markets, and the major LatAm cities can be reached via Dallas' LatAm services, which rely very heavily on connecting traffic. This also frees more seats for the higher yielding local traffic.

This is VERY true, and a point I completely overlooked. I imagine the same can be said for United's SFO operations, which has a vast amount of Asian destinations, but relatively small feed. However, those 747s traverse the Pacific full of high-yielding O&D passengers.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Unfortunatley, their large size makes them unviable to smaller markets in the Bahamas, which is dominated by Continental Connection's 19-seat Beech 1900Ds.

Are you talking in terms of capacity or the actual size of the aircraft? If you were referring to the latter, as far as I know most (if not all) of the markets that Gulfstream Int'l serve are capable of handling an AT7 (since UP operates DHC-8s to the same markets). If it's capacity though, I would tend to agree. Some places like ELH and TCB really don't need much more than UP, CO, and US already offer.
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 19):
Are you talking in terms of capacity or the actual size of the aircraft? If you were referring to the latter, as far as I know most (if not all) of the markets that Gulfstream Int'l serve are capable of handling an AT7 (since UP operates DHC-8s to the same markets). If it's capacity though, I would tend to agree. Some places like ELH and TCB really don't need much more than UP, CO, and US already offer.

Correct  checkmark .. What does US have left in the family islands besides CLT-GGT?
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RE: Eagle ATRs MIA

Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Ironically, AA's MIA flight with the highest percentage of O&D is domestic - Vail/Eagle, Colorado (95%+ O&D)

I know we are technically getting of the ATR subject but...
that is interesting! I guess there is a big number of people that crave skiing in South Florida  Smile
But seriously, that is interesting as Vail is seasonsal. So what would it then be in June or July? NYC maybe?
BDA doesn't surprise me as the lowest though! I never figured out how US tried o & D out of FLL. It definately would need connectins to help that one out!

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