ftrguy
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King Air Landing Gear Issue @ KFTY

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:03 am

A King Air 100 is having trouble getting its landing gear down at Fulton County airport in Atlanta. Appears the right main is stuck up. Fox News and CNN are covering it live.

I have one question. Why in the hell is this guy attempting a landing at FTY with a landing gear problem? The longest rwy there is something like 5500 ft long and maybe 100ft wide. If I recall the runway also has quite a drop off on both ends. Dobbins, PDK, and even ATL are nearby with much better facilities and better runways.
 
higney85
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:07 am

the gear came down.... wonder what happened?
 
ftrguy
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:09 am

That is one lucky mofo....
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:10 am

right down the centerline nicely done
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ftrguy
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:11 am

He's about 100 ft from the end of the runway though with a nice dropoff at the end. I still don't understand why he didn't go somewhere else...
 
higney85
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:16 am

Im still curious why only one would not come down, even after an attempted emergency extension. It was a good landing though
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:17 am

Hey Ftrguy, maybe they did not want to go atl is because the airport is the busiest airport in the states and they did not want to have ripple effects.
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ftrguy
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:25 am

If its my life or the lives of my passengers vs. inconveniencing other people... Hmm, what would you choose? Dobbins AFB is approx 10 miles to the north with a nice 10000 x 200 ft runway with no traffic. If I'm flying an airplane with an emergency, no one but me is going to tell me where I'm going to land.

I'm glad this all worked out, but I think better decisions could have been made...
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:16 am

I suspect it's the owner's home base. Being familiar with landmarks is certainly nice and helps greatly.

Also, if you land at Dobbins, you have 48 hours to get the airplane off the field, which means taking the wings off, etc. Something to be avoided if at all possible.

It was a nice looking 100 -- clearly it had mods and stuff. I don't blame the owner for trying to minimize damage. Was a nice landing.

Steve
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:21 am

The idiot presenter on FOX called it a turbojet. LOL

Quoting Ftrguy (Reply 7):
If I'm flying an airplane with an emergency, no one but me is going to tell me where I'm going to land.

ATC have a decision to make as well don't they?

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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:27 am

http://11alive.com/

Vid upper left. Sweet job!
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:30 am

Ultimately, the safety of the crew and passengers will predicate where the best place to conduct a gear up landing is. That being said, I'm fairly certain that the Vref for a gear-up landing and subsequent 'skid out' of a King Air does not require the use of a 9,000 foot or greater runway such as at ATL or MGE. Also, the ARFF capability of FTY is more than adequate for a King Air. Taking those factors into account as well as what has been mentioned above, FTY makes perfect sense.
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:41 am

Quoting Gib (Reply 10):
http://11alive.com/

From the link above-

"Jet Pilot Makes Belly Landing
The pilot of a private jet made a successful landing on the belly of the plane after reporting mechanical trouble with his landing gear."

What the heck? That jet grew PROPS!!!! Oh well, it really is a jet after all.
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ftrguy
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 8):
Also, if you land at Dobbins, you have 48 hours to get the airplane off the field, which means taking the wings off, etc. Something to be avoided if at all possible.

So what. Explain that to the passengers families. "I'm sorry that the plane ran off the runway into a ditch and your love one was killed. We wanted to save a few bucks in transportation costs in case the landing was successful." At least you will be alive to be inconvenienced.

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 9):
ATC have a decision to make as well don't they?

When you declare an emergency, ATC is supposed to vector all traffic out of your way as to give you every option possible.


Like I said before, everything turned out fine but I would have never landed at FTY.

I would bet there is very minimal damage to the plane and wouldn't be surprised if it is up flying again very soon.
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:49 am

Raytheon has a great Maintenance facility there at FTY.
 
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:59 am

Boy, aren't we all experts. Did anyone think that it might actually take a King Air less time to stop with no wheels?

The pilot made an educated decision under probably extreme stress ... Don't go second guessing his decisions. You have no idea what his decisions were based on.

If had attempted to land at Dobbins and crashed, I suspect we would have the same " I wouldn't have done that" remarks.

It's worse than the media!

Well done the pilot.


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sllevin
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RE: King Air Landing Gear Issue @ Kfty

Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting Ftrguy (Reply 13):
So what. Explain that to the passengers families.

This appeared to be a Part 91 operation. My assumption is that the pilot was the owner, and he discussed his options with the 1 other person on board (given that the passenger didn't appear to beat the living daylights out of him when they got out of the airplane).

Again, familiarity is worth a lot. It's very easy to pork a landing on an unfamiliar strip, especially one wider than you are used to -- it totally mucks with you.

The first time I landed at Plant 42 (200' wide usable, 400' total) it was disconcerting. Not something I'd want to do while also belly landing -- something one hopefully doesn't have a lot of practice doing.

Steve