EI747SYDNEY
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Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:10 pm

I have seen photos of a Finnair Ilyushin from back in September 2004. I have checked the database and found nothing here. Does anyone have any information on this? Did Finnair buy this? Where did they operate them to?

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:14 pm

Finnair has certainly not bought any Russian aircraft. I have never heard or seen anything about this before but perhaps some of our Finnish friends can share more info with us
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:20 pm

I have a link to a photo but it's from another airline site.

Is it ok to post the link here?

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:22 pm

Finnair has never bought any Russian aircraft. The former USSR tried to sell them in 70's, but Finnair refused to buy.
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:22 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any information on this?

Its called a photo-montage...
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:23 pm

Yes. Just mention the source
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:26 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
I have seen photos of a Finnair Ilyushin from back in September 2004.

I'm guessing this is the photo you have seen?
Finnair IL-96

There's a discussion about the photo here: Discussion
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:28 pm

It is a manipulated photo. Finnair does not operate any Russian aircraft - and never has
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:32 pm

Why do people do that. I hope he aint a photographer on this site because his work is dubious to say the least.

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:45 pm

Quoting Pyh (Reply 3):
Finnair has never bought any Russian aircraft. The former USSR tried to sell them in 70's, but Finnair refused to buy.

True!

The former Finnair CEO Gunnar Korhonen did his utmost to convince Finnish Government during the 1960s and 1970s, that Finnair does not need Soviet airplanes. He was the one fought his way to bringing the first McDonnell-Douglas'es to Finland and made Finnair a good client to them.

Back then there was a bilateral agreement between Finland and Soviet Union and that meant that Finland imported from Soviet Union as much as we exported to Soviet Union. A lot of Finnish industry (clothing, food etc.) collapsed with the fall of the Iron Curtain.

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:00 am

The IL-96 even makes Finnair's UGLY paintscheme look good. It's actually the grey area which is larger, Finnair's planes are mostly white. That photo looks legit too!

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:15 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 9):
The former Finnair CEO Gunnar Korhonen did his utmost to convince Finnish Government during the 1960s and 1970s, that Finnair does not need Soviet airplanes. He was the one fought his way to bringing the first McDonnell-Douglas'es to Finland and made Finnair a good client to them.

I did not know that the Finnish Govt was leaning towards the Russian aircraft. Good work on Korhonen's part, then. I know the older locomotives of VR are Soviet-built (or at least were, when delivered; I've heard VR and Valmet basically rebuilt them to be more efficient), so it kind of makes sense.

At any rate, I have to admit, the 96 looks quite nice in AY's clothes. Albeit I doubt the Finns would adopt the numeric registration system and register the plane as OH-96xxx  Wink
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:56 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
The IL-96 even makes Finnair's UGLY paintscheme look good.

I'd say the livery makes the Il-96 look good. Usually, that is one ugly aircraft.

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 8):
Why do people do that. I hope he aint a photographer on this site because his work is dubious to say the least.

Well, I don't mind 'modified' photos, as long as it's mentioned in the caption. Lets us see things we normally wouldn't...

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting OV735 (Reply 11):
I did not know that the Finnish Govt was leaning towards the Russian aircraft. Good work on Korhonen's part, then. I know the older locomotives of VR are Soviet-built (or at least were, when delivered; I've heard VR and Valmet basically rebuilt them to be more efficient), so it kind of makes sense.

I really don't think that anyone was serious with buying Russian planes. What source might LordHowe be reading?
As far as the Russian electric locos go, the Finnish thyristor motor control system was built-in in the first place, in the early 1970s. Valmet was not involved, but the State Railways Hyvinkää works.
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 13):
I really don't think that anyone was serious with buying Russian planes. What source might LordHowe be reading?

I did not say that Finnair was buying Soviet planes - Soviet Union was trying to sell them to Finnair. Korhonen was the one who made it very clear even to Foreign Minister Molotov that these Jakovlevs, Iljushins and Tupolevs were not suitable for Finland and Finnair.

Korhonen was a very clever man and as he had very good personal contact with Finlands president Urho Kekkonen and he had himself been a Foreign Trade Minister, he knew how the political system was to be managed. He understood that it was necessary to have all the leading politicians (even the Prime Minister) connected in Finnairs administration.

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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:14 pm

Wow, that would some news if IL-96 would be Finnair's new wide body choice  Smile Atleast a very original and creative move indeed...
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
Did Finnair buy this?

It was a fake pic.
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:17 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14):
did not say that Finnair was buying Soviet planes - Soviet Union was trying to sell them to Finnair. Korhonen was the one who made it very clear even to Foreign Minister Molotov that these Jakovlevs, Iljushins and Tupolevs were not suitable for Finland and Finnair.

LordHowe, may I ask you when did Mr Molotov and Mr Korhonen have this chat over the acquisition of Jakovlevs (or Yakolevs in the more popular transcription), Iljushins and Tupolevs, according to your sources?

You see, Mr Molotov got somewhat defamed in the Party in the late 1950's and was consequently assigned as the Soviet Ambassador to Mongolia in 1957, whereas Mr Korhonen was appointed CEO of Finnair in 1960, that's a three years later, so you have a timing problem!
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:36 pm

I think Finnair would look excellent on a 777.
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 12):
I'd say the livery makes the Il-96 look good. Usually, that is one ugly aircraft.

In my opinion, ugly is the A319 in Finnair colors  yuck 

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
I think Finnair would look excellent on a 777.

yep, like a white whale..
 
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RE: Finnair And The Ilyushin-96

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):

In my opinion, ugly is the A319 in Finnair colors

Well, with these flag colours like Finland's blue-white, it can be that too much is too much... not to talk about American white-blue-red you simply can't escape  Smile
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