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Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:21 am

The latest version of the A340 family the A340-600HGW, has taken to the air. Its maiden flight over Toulouse lasted four hours and a half. The A346HGW will undertake a six month certification campaign.

The first A340-600HGW will be delivered to Qatar Airlines in the summer of 2006.


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...leases_items/11_18_05_A340600.html

Congratulation to Airbus. Lets just hope that you live up to your promises.

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:46 am

Airbus is so incredibly positive about its products in its newsletters. They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying... they should read through what they write before putting it out on the web...

Anyhoo, I hope the A346HGW is unbelievably economic in operation and lead to a rush of orders from airlines we never expected would order it  Smile
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying...

Dunno the numbers, but they may not technically be wrong...  Wink
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
680 A330/340/350 are already flying

If it's all new, why list the 350 in the same "family" since it shares far fewer parts than the 330/340 share with each other...  stirthepot 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:53 am

All three of the mid-east carriers they describe as prospects have gone for the B777-300ER in recent months.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:06 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying...

Look at reply 24 on the following. 680 already flying is certainly right, but it doesn't include the not-yet-in-the-air A350. RE: Airbus Delivers 4,000th Aircraft. (by Magyarorszag Sep 10 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2320431

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
If it's all new, why list the 350 in the same "family" since it shares far fewer parts than the 330/340 share with each other...

Here is a beginning of answer:
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/commonality.html

And here are a few tech specs.

-Length: A332 (58,8m) A333/343 (63,6m) A358 (58,8m) A359 (65,2m)

-Span A332/333/343 (60,3m) A358/359 (61,1m)

-MGTOW A332/333 (230/233t) A343 (275t) A358/359 (245t)

-Range A332 (12'500km) A333 (10'500) A343 (13'350) A358 (16'300) A359 (13'890)

-Fuselage diameter A332/333/343/358/359 (5,6m)
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:35 am

Mostlikely the A340-600HGW will be named the A340-600X, like the A330-300X and the A340-300X ?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:40 am

Anyone know how the A340-600HGW stacks up viz a viz the 777-300ER in terms of operating economics?

At least in terms of what Airbus is trumpeting?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:17 am

A 'New one after only three years. It still has to live up to the sales hype but in any event I suspect the horse has already bolted!!
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:26 am

Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

I don't want flaming for this.  duck   flamed 

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:27 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW

A higher gross weight version of the baseline A340-600, with extended range.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

Airbus saw the writing on the wall during the 777-300ER flight testing and concluded that they would need to update both the -500 and -600 to compete better with the -200LR and -300ER's performance parameters. Speculation is that they are closer but still have not achieved parity. Widebodyphotog has had some specific charts with data, I believe.
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

I don't want flaming for this.

With such a username, you probably deserve a berating for asking such a question...

Anyway it looks the difference is an extra 250 nm of range...as far as I can tell.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
Widebodyphotog has had some specific charts with data, I believe.

LoL. It's amazing how much we rely on him...

Quoting N79969 (Reply 13):
With such a username, you probably deserve a berating for asking such a question...

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting N79969 (Reply 13):
Anyway it looks the difference is an extra 250 nm of range...as far as I can tell.

Is that all? It has to be more then that... Hopefully, for the aircraft's sake...
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:41 am

I may stand corrected...Airbus claims it will fly 250 NM further than the competitor which is obviously the 773ER. My impression is that both the baseline 346 and 773ER had virtually identical range...here I may be wrong though
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:44 am

Poor a/c. They really must've put that thing on a diet. Wonder what a anorexic A346 looks like???  bigthumbsup 

250 NM more then the 773ER...not bad. Not bad at all...
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying... they should read through what they write before putting it out on the web...

In operation:
198 A330-200s
173 A330-300s
236 A340-200/300s
21 A340-500s
50 A340-600s

which make a total of 678 A330/A340s.
The figure of 680 is close enough.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:17 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 14):
I may stand corrected...Airbus claims it will fly 250 NM further than the competitor which is obviously the 773ER. My impression is that both the baseline 346 and 773ER had virtually identical range...here I may be wrong though

The 77W has a definite range advantage over the 346 baseline so the HGW shows a much greater range boost than 250NM (good thing since 250NM wouldn't be that impressive). The question is though, with what payload? The baseline was weight limited. Does that still apply to the HGW?
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting Backfire (Reply 11):

A higher gross weight version of the baseline A340-600, with extended range.

May I ask how this was achieved?

Improved engines, improved wings, weight reduction - or a bit of all of the above?

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
The 77W has a definite range advantage over the 346 baseline so the HGW shows a much greater range boost than 250NM (good thing since 250NM wouldn't be that impressive). The question is though, with what payload? The baseline was weight limited. Does that still apply to the HGW?

That was actually me and not GQ who you quoted. Thanks for the clarification. That press release is awfully lean on detail. Hard to tell what the improvements mean exactly.

If recent 773ER sales are any indication, they don't mean much.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:34 am

Quoting N79969 (Reply 13):
With such a username, you probably deserve a berating for asking such a question...

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:39 am

Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:41 am

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 22):
Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-

High(er) Gross Weight

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 22):
Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-

I asked that in reply 10. (look below)

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 10):
Forgive me for asking, but what is the Airbus A340-600HGW.

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 19):
May I ask how this was achieved?

Improved engines, improved wings, weight reduction - or a bit of all of the above?

I'm wondering the same thing, will it have any improvements?
My GUESS would be that they haven't made much improvement, and have sacrificed some cargo for an extra fuel tank.
Could anyone please say what the differences of the plane compared to the standard A346 really is?
Thanks for any answers.

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:40 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 19):
Improved engines, improved wings, weight reduction - or a bit of all of the above?

Primarily by increased gross weight and increased fuel volume.

Max. zero fuel weight was also increased. Now max. payload is limited by volume rather than MZFW.
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:50 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 17):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying... they should read through what they write before putting it out on the web...
In operation:
198 A330-200s
173 A330-300s
236 A340-200/300s
21 A340-500s
50 A340-600s

which make a total of 678 A330/A340s.
The figure of 680 is close enough.

While you are counting, how many A350 aircraft are flying around?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
Airbus saw the writing on the wall during the 777-300ER flight testing and concluded that they would need to update both the -500 and -600 to compete better with the -200LR and -300ER's performance parameters.

Airbus planned the HGW version from the start, actually.  Wow!
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
Airbus is so incredibly positive about its products in its newsletters. They finish off by saying that 680 A330/340/350 are already flying... they should read through what they write before putting it out on the web...

Yup. Nothing new here.  Smile
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:37 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 28):
Airbus planned the HGW version from the start, actually.

Can you post anything from the first 340 series information? I can't find any mention of the HGW until the 773?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Here is a beginning of answer:

Oh, I know all that. I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. It's "all new" with a surprisingly large resemblance to another jet in one breath, then "part of the family" of that same jet in another breath. Maybe I'll just call it the A338 from now on.

Quoting Breiz (Reply 17):
which make a total of 678 A330/A340s.

And zero 350s, which was the point.

Might as well say airbus has 680 A330/A340/Unicorns flying today. Just as true.

Quoting AerLingusA330 (Reply 22):
Excuse my lack of knowledge......but what does HGW stand for? Thanks-

It stands for: "knowledge is gained by looking for answers to your questions, and one good way to find answers is to read, and one good thing to try reading before you ask a question in a forum thread would be other posts in that same forum thread, because you might just find the answers and increase your knowledge."  Wink
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:51 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 15):
Airbus claims it will fly 250 NM further than the competitor which is obviously the 773ER. My impression is that both the baseline 346 and 773ER had virtually identical range...here I may be wrong though

Actually, this is not correct. Though originally the 773ER and base A346 were to be virtually identical in range, the 773ER out-grew it's specs and became a much more capable aircraft.

Assuming the -600HGW lives up to its promises, the numbers will breakdown as follows:

MTOW
A340-600: 811,300 lbs
A340-600HGW: 837,800 lbs
777-30ER: 775,000 lbs


Max. Range
A340-600: 7,500 nm
A340-600HGW: 7,900 nm
777-300ER: 7,880 nm


Max. Payload
A340-600: 144,000 lbs
A340-600HGW: 152,500 lbs
777-300ER: 154,000 lbs


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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:01 pm

This does much to close the gap with the 773ER, even surpass it in every category Hamlet mentioned save for max payload (2000 pounds. That's a tonne, isn't it?). If it does anything to help dispatch reliability, things should get mighty interesting for CX, QF and other carriers debating between the two.

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:10 pm

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 33):
This does much to close the gap with the 773ER, even surpass it in every category Hamlet mentioned save for max payload (2000 pounds. That's a tonne, isn't it?). If it does anything to help dispatch reliability, things should get mighty interesting for CX, QF and other carriers debating between the two.

there is still the problem that with higher wieght comes higher fuel compsumption since their has been no improvement in fuel compsumption of the engines or L/D and the aircraft will still be carriying around more fuel than the 773 and more dead weight. The 773 still is more efficient. Besides QF already stated that the A346 was out of the picture.
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:11 pm

Thanks Hamlet for posting those numbers. But, is this too little too late for Airbus?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 34):
there is still the problem that with higher wieght comes higher fuel compsumption since their has been no improvement in fuel compsumption of the engines

Quote "it is equipped with the latest development of the Trent 500 engine".

Of course, assuming that any engine development for an Airbus aircraft implies an improvement in performance is clearly wild speculation on my part  Yeah sure.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:19 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
Max. Range
A340-600: 7,500 nm
A340-600HGW: 7,900 nm
777-300ER: 7,880 nm

wow, a whopping 20nm further on the A346HGW than the 773ER, I'm sure in real life airline operations that will be a make or break thing!
The 350lbs of airframe dirt that Boeing washed off the 772LR for its recent record breaking flight would probably translate to even more than that sort of range difference!
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:38 pm

@hamlet69


just try to compare it with tons!!! (not lbs)
dow,payload and so on are all calculated with tons in the daily airline operations!

that is the value the airlines all over the world are working with!!!

the difference between both airplanes is not that big after doing that!!!

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:03 pm

Any ideas where Qatar Airways might fly their A346HGW's to? I was thinking maybe JFK, ORD, IAD, or even LAX?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:01 pm

picture just before 1st flight
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:20 pm

Since the first A340-600HGW has grey engines can I assume that it will be the first A340-600HGW going to Qatar Airways?
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 1):
Airbus is so incredibly positive about its products in its newsletters.

When you see what's been achieved in 25 years, I think one can be proud of its product  Wink without being arrogant at all.

Long live to Airbus Industries.

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 41):
Since the first A340-600HGW has grey engines can I assume that it will be the first A340-600HGW going to Qatar Airways?

That would be correct.....
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:12 am

The HGW has also more powerfull engines: 4x 60.000lb.
That's more powerfull than the 773ER and as powerfull as a 744!
No one can call this 340 underpowered!  Smile

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting JBOND (Reply 40):
picture just before 1st flight

Wow, that coloring really makes the length of that jet standout.

It's like a DC8-60 on steroids!
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:31 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
Assuming the -600HGW lives up to its promises, the numbers will breakdown as follows:

So the A346HGW has 20nm greater range, but with 1,500 lbs less payload than the B777-300ER. Those numbers seem to suggest that the two aircraft are more or less identical with regard to range and payload.

What I don't get is why the MTOW for the A346HGW is 62,800 lbs more if these two aircraft fly the same distance carrying the same payload. Surely that additional weight kills the fuel efficiency for the A346HGW. Obviously I'm not understanding something here.
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:37 am

OK, so how how about pax numbers, doesn't the 346 hold 20 more
passengers then the 773(in typical 3-class layout)?
The payload of the 346 is less, but if it can carry more passengers that might
make up for it?

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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:40 am

From the airbus

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 47):
OK, so how how about pax numbers, doesn't the 346 hold 20 more
passengers then the 773(in typical 3-class layout)?

That's just the number Airbus and Boeing give...
The 777-300 is larger than the 340-600. they carry about the same number of passengers in a typical config... But I'm almost sure the 777-300 has more floor area.
 
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RE: Airbus A340-600HGW Makes First Flight

Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:44 am

I read in the airbus newsrelease that besides the middle east carriers, also LH and VS have ordered it.

This is new to me, as nobody seemed to know here if those orders were for HGW versions or not.
Will all of the 7 346's LH has on order be HGW? How about the VS's ones? How many will be HGW?

Also, isn't there be any diference in the model numbering of the HGW's? In the photos here on airlines they are refered as 340-642, just like all the others 346's.
Wouldn't it be more logical to be 340-642X or something?

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