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Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:09 pm

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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:46 pm

So they might become a classy airline then?
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:56 pm

I love this quote:

Quote:
I am staying in the guestroom and don’t plan to re-emerge until he is at least two years old and ready to take instructions,” he quipped. “The only thing parenthood has done for me so far is to make my office a more attractive place to be.”

Very interesting.

I guess we always new he'd leave one day but this is quite soon, IMHO, the article does stae he has only 'set his sights' on leaving in 2008. I'm willing to bet he might stick around a little longer.

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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:03 pm

I don't think it's a big revelation - O'Leary has often stated that he didn't see himself staying at Ryanair for an extended period.
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:23 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
So they might become a classy airline then?

One thing that Ryanair will never be is classy......you get what you pay for on that airline...a seat and nothing else and I mean nothing else, their product is poor as is their customer relations.............but hats off millions of people fly them.............why, god only knows!
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:32 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
guess we always new he'd leave one day but this is quite soon, IMHO, the article does sate he has only 'set his sights' on leaving in 2008. I'm willing to bet he might stick around a little longer.

That's what he said on the BBC's business news a few weeks ago when FR financial results were announced.
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:36 pm

How can the product be poor if

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
you get what you pay for on that airline...a seat and nothing else

Isn't this delivering exactly the product you paid for? The product is fine, FR is cheaper than a bus on many occasions! I agree, they don't have the same appeal as BA, or even LS, but then you get what you pay for!

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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:00 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6):
Isn't this delivering exactly the product you paid for? The product is fine, FR is cheaper than a bus on many occasions! I agree, they don't have the same appeal as BA, or even LS, but then you get what you pay for!

Dont get me wrong, I am with you on this, its just that when its all goes wroung, they could not give a toss and are not interested in helping you. At least if your stuck at a bus stop, another bus will be along soon. Some of the airports FR fly to are hardly bursting at the seems with an alternative choice!
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:13 pm

One point they have to improve is their dependance on airports with low-grade ILS infrastructure.
Since two days Beauvais ("Paris " ) is closed due to fog and tons of passengers need long-hour bus rides to reach Beauvais from remote airports in germany,belgium or other places in France.Some flights have been diverted to Hahn ,requiring 6 hours in a bus during night in fog and cold weather...
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:43 pm

Ryanair's MOL is regarded as being one of the top 20 businesspeople in the world. His ability with figures - he was a top accountant - is amazing, evident with his peerless ability to cut costs. He is also fantastic at negociating and he certainly possesses the much-needed killer instinct. And he's a brilliant leader.

Finding a suitable replacement will be difficult; indeed, all of his senior management are regarded as not possessing the required skills to the required levels to take over the top job. (This was the impression I got from reading the Ryanair book.)

One prediction regarding a successor was that costs would eventually increase and increase. So getting someone with precisely the right skills will be very difficult.

So, it's going to be very interesting to see who does replace MOL. A few things will certain exist in the new person: the brilliant ability to continue cost-cutting and increasing efficiency; the real killer instinct; a true leader; and the ability to negociate fantastically. Few people will possess these skills to the required level (bar the true leader: no-one would be in the running but for being a true leader).

Forgot to add that the new CEO will also have to possess a 'media style' in order to continue to increase 'face' of FR.

[Edited 2005-11-20 13:00:10]
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:51 pm

Damn right Pe@rson - whoever takes over FR has a hell of a leader to follow!
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:16 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 7):
Dont get me wrong, I am with you on this, its just that when its all goes wroung, they could not give a toss and are not interested in helping you. At least if your stuck at a bus stop, another bus will be along soon. Some of the airports FR fly to are hardly bursting at the seems with an alternative choice!

It is far more convenient to take the risk... If you think that to get into London by bus or train from Italy would be unbelievably uncomfortable and at least 6 times more expensive... not to talk about the time of the trip...
In the mean time I think they have very good records of arriving on time and with luggage deliveries... so why not? The only reason that could me convince not to choose Ryanair would be the quality of treatment of their employees... But often my pocket decide over my heart... and i love so much to fly and travel around the world that I don't think things will change for me in respect of Ryanair.
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:54 pm

Loosing that "hooligan CEO" would be a bright day for aviation...

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
So they might become a classy airline then?

Only if they shut down operations...  Wink

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Ryanair's MOL is regarded as being one of the top 20 businesspeople in the world. His ability with figures - he was a top accountant - is amazing, evident with his peerless ability to cut costs. He is also fantastic at negociating and he certainly possesses the much-needed killer instinct. And he's a brilliant leader.

You forgot to add "Amen, my personal Lord".  pray   Wink


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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:59 pm

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 12):
Loosing that "hooligan CEO" would be a bright day for aviation...

How is he a "hooligan"?  Yeah sure
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:02 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
How is he a "hooligan"?

I said "hooligan CEO" - which implies a comparison to other CEOs. Reading some of his comments might help to understand.


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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
I said "hooligan CEO" - which implies a comparison to other CEOs. Reading some of his comments might help to understand.

Perhaps if more CEO's ran airlines the way he does, then more airlines would be making as much money as Ryanair then.
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
Perhaps if more CEO's ran airlines the way he does, then more airlines would be making as much money as Ryanair then.

Yeah, by bashing other airlines and making fun of aircraft manufacturers?  Yeah sure
FR's success has not been caused by his rude statements. And I don't care at all whether FR is successful or not, making money or not - I do not like that guy's style and behavior, that's it.


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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
Perhaps if more CEO's ran airlines the way he does, then more airlines would be making as much money as Ryanair then.

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Couldn't have put it better myself!

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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:16 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 17):
Couldn't have put it better myself!

Well, then lease some planes, call your rivals names, make fun of authorities and A or B and then let's see if you make money...  Yeah sure


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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:41 pm

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 18):
Well, then lease some planes, call your rivals names, make fun of authorities and A or B and then let's see if you make money...

God you're moody!

You don't have to like the guy to admire his business acumen.

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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:36 am

To me what could happen is that MOL could shift from CEO to a member of or the head of the Board of Directors, much like with Herb Keller of Southwest Airlines. That way you still have the person whom will continue to be key in the business of Ryanair, still has his contacts, but not in the day to day demands of being CEO.
It is also good not to keep a CEO too long in power (with very few exceptions) as they and the people they have around them get stale, tend to protect their positions in the company, up the perks and pay to themselves, and not get enough new ideas or develop the future leadership when you have some management turnover.
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
up the perks and pay to themselves

As an seperate point, MOL is actually FR's biggest single shareholder, holding something like 12% of all its total shares (I think 12% is right, but I might well be wrong). This, again, explains why MOL must be very sure of whatever he decides to implement: if it fails, the amount of money he earns might seriously be in jepody. Accordingly, it is fair to say, I think, that he knows what he is doing, for not only did he attend Ireland's best university, but he is also a very highly respected businessperson and a very successful one.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
To me what could happen is that MOL could shift from CEO to a member of or the head of the Board of Directors, much like with Herb Keller of Southwest Airlines.

Indeed!
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:52 am

If they can find the right person then it might be a good thing for the long term continued success of the airline to establish a working CEO search and transition system. If they master it now then they have a template to make it work down the road, before it becomes an imperative due to illness or death of a high profile figure. It's only good business to ensure that no one person is too necessary to the success of the company.....process and overall personnel efficiency/motivation is the key to long term success.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 16):
Yeah, by bashing other airlines and making fun of aircraft manufacturers?
FR's success has not been caused by his rude statements. And I don't care at all whether FR is successful or not, making money or not - I do not like that guy's style and behavior, that's it.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the thousands of employees of this airline are probably of the opinion that he's good for their careers and important to them because it's a fact that he is in charge of that airline, they are successful, and their paychecks clear each payperiod. That's what counts, not your opinion of the guys personality and style.
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 16):
Yeah, by bashing other airlines and making fun of aircraft manufacturers? Yeah sure

Why not? After all, they are bringing flights to the regions  Smile
If you'd asked me 10 years ago if Prestwick would have flights to places like Brussles, Paris, Milan, Frankfurt, Gothenberg I would have laughed in your face. But thanks to Ryanair, they have !
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 22):
Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the thousands of employees of this airline are probably of the opinion that he's good for their careers and important to them because it's a fact that he is in charge of that airline, they are successful, and their paychecks clear each payperiod. That's what counts, not your opinion of the guys personality and style.

Fine - but I can't see your point. I did not question MOL's importance for the company. And I didn't claim my opinion "counts" for the airline. I simply said I do not like his style and behavior.

Btw - don't people always follow their "leaders" if they are dependant from them?  Wink

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 23):
Why not? After all, they are bringing flights to the regions



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 23):
If you'd asked me 10 years ago if Prestwick would have flights to places like Brussles, Paris, Milan, Frankfurt, Gothenberg I would have laughed in your face. But thanks to Ryanair, they have !

I don't see your point either - where's a relation between bashing other airlines and bringing flights to the region? The latter could have been done very well without the former.


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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:06 am

Finally good news for the world of civil aviation. It had certainly lost a lot of class these last years. Insulting people and companies, whether it was rival airlines or aircraft manufacturers just because they did not lower their pants as low as MOL wanted... Not too much to be admired here. Who knows which is the next business area he will downgrade by his presence...
 
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RE: Michael O'Leary To Leave Ryanair In 2008

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4):
.............why, god only knows

Many people can't afford to fly BA,KL or LH
So they don't have an alternative.

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