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Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:35 pm

LAX, MIA, Texas, MEX, and some cities in South America are really the only places that need the range. Any thoughts on which 4-5 cities will get non-stop service to DXB?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:41 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
LAX, MIA, Texas, MEX, and some cities in South America are really the only places that need the range. Any thoughts on which 4-5 cities will get non-stop service to DXB?

EK wants to turn DXB into a cargo hub as well, so they might be buying it for payload as well.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:48 pm

Still doesn't change my question, as most other places they want to fly are well within the range of the 773ER, A346 or A380 and the cities would want to be served by those larger aircraft.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:58 pm

I think most likely EK will us the 772ER not only on ultra long haul flights.
They use A345 on the ZRH-DXB sector!!! Which doesn't really fit.
But i would say ORD might be a possible new destination.
Also keep in mind that Emirates asked to double their current Australia connections so i assume we will also see the B772ER on more nonstop flights to Aus and NZ
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:04 pm

I think you mean LR, but I get it.

Why do they use the 345 to ZRH? Seems like such a waste.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:11 pm

Sorry I mixed that up.
I think they to it because they don't have enough A332 for those flights. And maybe they do it to introduce their new C class to Europe because the A332 and B772 so far I know they all have the old C class, which i think has some disadvantages compared to the new C class of LH and BA their biggest competitors in Europe.
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:23 pm

What's the demand for NZ-DXB?

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 3):
Also keep in mind that Emirates asked to double their current Australia connections so i assume we will also see the B772ER on more nonstop flights to Aus and NZ

DXB-PER-AKL would be nice. I'd say that the 772ER wouldn't be doing those direct flights, most likely go through another asian city like KUL or HKG possibly..?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:46 pm

DXB-AKL
DXB-LAX
DXB-EZE; probably just to name a few.

It may replace current A345 routes to Australia.
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:49 pm

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 7):
It may replace current A345 routes to Australia.

I assume EK will get rid of the A345?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:02 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
I assume EK will get rid of the A345?

Who knows, maybe they'll start leasing out their red-headed airframes.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:03 pm

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 3):
They use A345 on the ZRH-DXB sector!!! Which doesn't really fit.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Why do they use the 345 to ZRH? Seems like such a waste.

I was told recently that a Swiss company (with intense business activities in the UAE) signed a contract with EK to occupy a fixed number of First Class suites on the EK A345 service - as an alternative to using a corporate jet.


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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:25 pm

Well now that JFK is a twice daily flight (I think?) I bet that we will see the 777-200LR operating one of the flights next to the A340-500.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:31 pm

From WSJ 11/20/05:

"...Emirates said it hoped to use the Boeing 777 to develop more European and Asian routes. The 777-200LR is the model Boeing used earlier this month to set a world distance record flying nonstop from Hong Kong to London by traveling across the U.S., covering a distance of 13,422 statute miles in 22 hours, 42 minutes. It will also allow Emirates to start nonstop flights to long-range destinations on the U.S. West coast and in South America, said Sheikh Ahmed."
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:03 am

42 more 777s, 41 A380s? Hell. I knew the oil business was good, but not that good. Where is it that they plan on going?
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:03 am

MEX and SCL would be nice 772LR destinations.
Those are out of range for 346/77W/388, and even for the 345, the MEX-DXB for example(due to MEX altitude), would be very complicated.... so, those are the places for the 772LR to be.  Wink

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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:05 am

I can see EK fly DXB-SFO and DXB-LAX with the 777-200LR 5-6 times per week, and DXB-IAH daily.  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:05 am

LAX, SFO, MIA, IAH, ORD are what I think of.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:07 am

As for north america cities... they will send it too for sure, but I bet they intend to send the 380 to cities like NY, Chicago, San Francisco or maybe even LA, if the range allows it.
I might be wrong here, but they will have to send their 380's somewhere, and I think EK wants to expand heavily in the US in the next years...

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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 12):
From WSJ 11/20/05:

Well, duh. That's just a statement regarding range.

My question was WHICH west coast and south american routes?

As for Australia, there is just no need to put the 345 or 772LR on that when the 773ER and A380 will do it.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 17):
As for north america cities... they will send it too for sure, but I bet they intend to send the 380 to cities like NY, Chicago, San Francisco or maybe even LA, if the range allows it.

If not LAX and SFO, what other West Coast U.S. cities does Sheikh Ahmed have in mind for the 772LR, given his statement earlier today?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 17):
cities like NY, Chicago, San Francisco or maybe even LA, if the range allows it.

SFO and LAX are pushing range of A380 as it stands.

DXB to LAS on the 772LR would be lucrative, with lots of premium seats sold, no?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:25 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
DXB to LAS on the 772LR would be lucrative, with lots of premium seats sold, no?

Perhaps, but i don't think the Sheikhs fly commercial.  Wink
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 10):
I was told recently that a Swiss company (with intense business activities in the UAE) signed a contract with EK to occupy a fixed number of First Class suites on the EK A345 service - as an alternative to using a corporate jet.

That was my guess, considering the "boutique" nature of the F cabin on that plane. Considering how...pedestrian...EK's 773ER F product is, I wonder if they will do that on the 772LR, leaving the A345s for the handful of routes that generate serious F fares, or if they will add the suites to the 772LR, as well, and "retire" the A345s.
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:33 am

What about IAD? Also, do any airlines plan on flying the A380 to IAD?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting BG777300ER (Reply 23):
What about IAD? Also, do any airlines plan on flying the A380 to IAD?

LH might want to, to connect up to UA's domestic network from there. Of course, moonbuggying it to an A388 will be...amusing.  Smile

One of these days, IAD will rebuild Piers C and D, and I expect they will be A380-compliant as part of the proposal.
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:53 am

Shouldn't Detroit be high on the list given that it has the largest concentration of Arab Americans in US?
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:07 am

I was just thinking IAD myself. It makes sense. There seems to be alot of Middle Eastern business etc in the area. I've been surprised at how little traffic there is to/from the Middle East into Dulles. I suppose it is easy to fly up to JFK or over to LHR AMS or CDG to get there...but I would have thought there would be some service other than the Saudia Arabia service.

Just a thought.

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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 21):
Perhaps, but i don't think the Sheikhs fly commercial.

No doubt. They have private suites on permanent reserve at the top hotels and jet in all the time doing all the things that it isn't okay to do in their countries.

But there is 1 tier below that level who would like a flight like DXB-LAS assuming it is outfitted with the same kind of product as the 345.
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
But there is 1 tier below that level who would like a flight like DXB-LAS assuming it is outfitted with the same kind of product as the 345.

What kind of product?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 28):
What kind of product?

Ridiculously sumptuous private F suites with giant television, minibar, and closable door.

Better J product than the 773, and better Y than the 773.

Check out their website about the 345.

http://www.emirates.com/a340/intro.asp
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 29):
Ridiculously sumptuous private F suites with giant television, minibar, and closable door.

Better J product than the 773, and better Y than the 773.

Check out their website about the 345.

Woow, Thanx for the link. Now I really wanna fly EK on an ultra long haul.... I've heard the F/A's are hot too and the link kinda confirms it  biggrin 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:51 am

How about some math? Factoring in maintenance needs, how many city pairs can you serve with 10 LR's assuming you're pushing at least 90% of maximum range.
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:53 am

What about MIA and MCO as well as LAX, SFO and IAH?
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting BG777300ER (Reply 23):
What about IAD? Also, do any airlines plan on flying the A380 to IAD?

My Uncle who works in airport operations at IAD told me so far Lufthansa is the only airline sending the 380 so far.
 
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RE: Where Will EK Send The 772LR?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:21 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
SFO and LAX are pushing range of A380 as it stands.

Don't want to start a endless discussion about the range of the A380, but if it meet performance specs SFO shouldn't be to hard, taking into acount that CX's 346's (not HGW, and with heavy wings, as people call it) do HKG-JFK, wich is as long as DXB-LAX.

I know that the routing is diferent... being that HKG-JFK is a polar route... does that make it easier? Better winds?
As DXB-LAX would go west, it would have to face headwinds.


Also, how limitating is the heat at Dubai? This is something I really want to know. In the 380 specs, it shows data for high altitude takeoffs, but not for high temperature.
As for temperature, for the 380, I only know the data for ISO conditions and ISA +15ºC.
How much is the temp as ISA conditions?! Could please someone clarify this for me?


Also, what I wanted to know is how much runway would need an A380 at MTOW (let's say 570 tons) to take of with 45ºC.

Thanks in advance for the explanations.  

PS: At 0 m of elevation, at ISA +15ºC (I assume ISA must be around 15ºC at 0m), that would be about 30ºC, and in those conditions, an A380 with GP7200 engines(the ones EK chose) would take up 3000m of runway to take off at 570tons MTOW.

Edit: Forget about that part where I said DXB-SFO wasn't a polar route! It's a polar route too... I was mistaken. I guess that makes the route easier, if I was thinking right.

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