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Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:19 am

After reading about EKs order for 20+ 777s and how they are getting the A380 and A340-6s in addition I was wondering WHY do they need these high capacity/ long haul aircraft in a country of maybe 3 million people? I really wonder about this because in the US it seems airlines are introducing more and more regional jets into their fleets as this does offer better economics for both the airline and passengers in the United States economic environment.

I believe it is safe to say based on this reasoning(pop. of < 3mil vs US 350mil) EKs need for such aircraft is not for domestic purposes. That leads me into 2 more questions; Where is the demand for EKs long haul high capacity international service coming from? Does the economic environment in the UAE vs that of the USA require EK to have such a fleet?
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:48 pm

A bit of a geography lesson needed.....

The UAE is not the USA so making any comparison to USA strategies is fundamentally wrong.... However it sits bang in the middle of Europe, Africa and Asia. Hence it has a possible market of in excess of 3/4 of the world population... It is possible to connect major destinations in those regions via Dubai with one stop. Therefore it operates as a transit hub..

It needs these wide body aircraft (and lots of them...) to keep up with the growing demand for its products within the markets that it serves.... Only a small percentage of its total passengers actually stop over in Dubai.

Any number of threads have been started on EK...
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:15 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 1):
The UAE is not the USA so making any comparison to USA strategies is fundamentally wrong

Agreed. The UAE is smack dab in the middle of the European African Asian Australian (I dont know what you'd call it). And because of such a lucky location on the map, can be more thought of as ATL (in a hub sense not a geographical one) but with widebodies instead of MD-80s and 737s. Also the city of Dubai in and of itself is an attraction like the world has never seen before, kind of like Orlando mixed with Las Vegas with hotel occupancy topping out at or around 100% year round. Maybe that adds some perspective So in terms of the US, ATL+MCO+LAS+some more=DXB

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:27 pm

Man-o-man! Not another EK's fleet therad. Do a search on this and you'll find at least 5 threads in the last week with the same question.

Anyways, DXB is a major hub which might very well become the largest hub in the world in coming years. They need the aircraft to pretty much fly anywhere in the world they please being they are almost in the middle of Asia, Europe and Africa. It really has nothing to do with UAE's population because they are not limited to carrying UAE's passengers only.

You're right about one this though. The widebodies are not meant for domestic use. Don't forget Dubai is becoming a mojor tourist attraction too. The demand for EKs long haul high capacity international service is coming from DXB being a major international hub, period.

Quoting Devil505x (Thread starter):
Does the economic environment in the UAE vs that of the USA require EK to have such a fleet?


Their fleet has nothing to do with the country's economic environment and there's no reason to compare Dubai to the US. Dubai is one of the richest countries in the world though, thanx to a sh*tload of oil

With that said, I still can't figure out why they need soo many aircraft unless they really will become a major leasing company as has been suggested here many times.
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:49 pm

I figure that what EK wants is the ability (once all these planes are added with their current fleet) to move close to 55,000~60,000 people a day from all corners of the globe.

As Africa develops and opens up, connecting East Asia to Africa is going to be hard without some nice places to change planes. Enter Dubai.

Right now Dubai is a uber-rich person paradise. Soon they want to start getting more middle-class travelers. To do that they need planes that can bring cost down and move them from again all corners of the globe.

The thing is will it be sustainable. Right now Dubai is pretty much an MSP type situation. But soon Doha will start picking up taking some of the bite out of Dubai, other airlines will want access to Dubai and EK will loose some of their dominance.
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:14 pm

They most likely are considering becomming the world's first global low-cost carrier...
Some interesting statements from EK's CEO went into that direction,associating Gambling on London-Oz flights to bring prices for a LON-SYD ticket down to 400 £. He claims the A380 would be a perfect tool to offer very low fares...
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:08 pm

Quoting B6sea (Reply 2):
Agreed. The UAE is smack dab in the middle of the European African Asian Australian (I dont know what you'd call it).

Eurasia or Middle East
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:16 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Man-o-man! Not another EK's fleet therad. Do a search on this and you'll find at least 5 threads in the last week with the same question.

Hmm, I read the forums on a daily basis and I can't say I've come across this question before and I have often wondered about this myself, but never actually gotten around to seeking for an answer.
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:50 pm

A few analyst predicted that 99% of these orders will be cancelled. Well only time can tell.....

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Dubai is one of the richest countries in the world though, thanx to a sh*tload of oil

Not in terms of GNP and per capita GNP. For now it is not a major business/financial centre.

From what I heard, Dubai has oil but not a lot. It's Abu Dhabi that has lots of oil.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:49 pm

Well, at the moment Dubai is a nice place to change planes. Whether it still will be nice when there are 30 A380s and 20 77Ws worth of people changing planes at the same time is another matter....
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 pm

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 6):
Quoting B6sea (Reply 2):
Agreed. The UAE is smack dab in the middle of the European African Asian Australian (I dont know what you'd call it).

Eurasia or Middle East

True that the Gulf Region is a geographic center for a whole lot of world population. Interesting to think what could have developed, or what will develop, from that. But, Africa & Australia are not part of Eurasia, and the "Middle East" more specifically refers to the region west of Afghanistan, east of Egypt, and south of the Black Sea.

"Gondwana" is the accepted term for the ancient geologic supercontinent you mention.

Just having fun with the geography at your expense, my apologies.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
A few analyst predicted that 99% of these orders will be cancelled. Well only time can tell.....

Analysts have predicted EK's end for many years...

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
For now it is not a major business/financial centre.

With all the current and future investments, it's on the best way.


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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:36 am

Why? because they are trying to make some other airlines go bust...
So perhaps in years to come we will only have a few airlines... Snap more pictures before they are gone.. haha

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 11):
With all the current and future investments, it's on the best way.

It's a tourist centre but far from being a business/financial centre. Only time can tell whether or not they will succeed.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:05 am

I don't understand Emirate's acquisitions. They're ordering too many and too big. I wonder what kind of plane they would use on thinner routes or short haul?

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
It's a tourist centre but far from being a business/financial centre. Only time can tell whether or not they will succeed.

You're right, and there are a few clouds appearing on the horizon. But even if Dubai's bubble bursts it won't dissappear.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:17 am

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 14):
They're ordering too many and too big

I am sure that EK's own management knows that better than you and hence are not making any easy mistakes when it comes to fleet expansion.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircr

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 5):
Some interesting statements from EK's CEO went into that direction,associating Gambling on London-Oz flights to bring prices for a LON-SYD ticket down to 400 £. He claims the A380 would be a perfect tool to offer very low fares...

And therein lies part of the explanation for question asked by this thread. EK intends to be the price leader in the market place. With all this capacity, outstanding in-flight service, and cost control, they aim to D-E-C-I-M-A-T-E the competition in these nice, profitable markets for BA, LH, QF, SQ, et. al. I'm sure they intend to open up some "new markets", but with all this new metal I strongly suspect they plan on going head to head with the current international superstars. Will the great international carriers be able to adapt? Given the competition of the LCCs like Ryanair and Easyjet, I don't believe there's going to be a windfall in those markets to compensate for the battered profit margins once EK's assault begins in earnest.
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 15):
I am sure that EK's own management knows that better than you and hence are not making any easy mistakes when it comes to fleet expansion.

Your aggressive reply is totally uncalled for. I stated my opinion. This is what a discussion forum is for.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:40 am

Dubai has become a major Tourist attraction in the Middle East , in 2005 they had 5 Million visitors and that number is expected to grow to 15 Million in 2010 .
Over and above , Emirates are expanding with new routes to Latin America and considering to double their flights to Australia from 42 to 84 flights weekly .

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:42 am

The whole point with Dubai and EK, as far as i've read in newspaper articles etc, is that their oil deposits are gradually declining, and will in the not too distant future run out. So what the sheik is aiming for is a long-term alternitive source of income if that happens. By using the oil-money to transform Dubai into a major business and tourism centre and EK into a leading world airline to match Dubai is looking ahead. Remember EK is Dubai and Dubai is the sheikh. The economic models that exist for the rest of the airline industry don't really count for EK, as they're not bothered by fuel prices so much and are owned by a country that, at the moment at least, has virtually unlimited recources to invest in aircraft and infrastructure. They don't have to be independently profitable as an airline at the moment, and that gives them the luxury to look far ahead to a time when that might be different, and to set themselves up for that..

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:37 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
They need the aircraft to pretty much fly anywhere in the world they please being they are almost in the middle of Asia, Europe and Africa.

So, why the need for the ultra long range aircraft? At some point on their range, the aircraft are reaching cities where the traffic to Dubai as a terminus is too low, and the opportunities for connections represent a trip the wrong way across the globe.

Let me explain with an example. Let's say EK sends a 772LR LAX-DXB. What connections would this person reasonably choose to make there? Not Austrailia, not Asia, and certainly not Europe. Basically, only Africa, a market proven to be very small from the Americas, and with plenty of competition from the European carriers.

So, even if the capacitous lift makes sense, why the extra long haul lift?
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:10 am

Isnt everyone forgetting EKs aim of setting up bases outside of the UAE ? Like Australasia / Hong Kong and even a hub in Europe eventually.
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircr

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:15 am

Quoting StargoldLHR (Reply 21):
Isnt everyone forgetting EKs aim of setting up bases outside of the UAE ? Like Australasia / Hong Kong and even a hub in Europe eventually.

Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of recognition of this, huh?

I'll be interested to see what the major international carriers do to counter EK's growing influence and market power. Perhaps some big time alliances, like (and this is only an example, not a business case, OK?) QF-AA-JL. EK is going to outflank and underprice the competition. Airlines that never had to seriously compete on price internationally will suddenly discover the joys of cost cutting, governments will howl in outrage at the prospect of layoffs in good paying, glamorous occupations, and the calls for protectionism will get louder. Scary scenario? Unlikely? I invite your comments....

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 1):
However it sits bang in the middle of Europe, Africa and Asia. Hence it has a possible market of in excess of 3/4 of the world population...

What market? There are also many other airlines in this region. (if thats the point I think you are getting at) Chicago and St. Louis are in the middle of the US that does not mean I want to stop there on a trip from say BOS to LAX.

Quoting B6sea (Reply 2):
And because of such a lucky location on the map, can be more thought of as ATL (in a hub sense not a geographical one) but with widebodies instead of MD-80s and 737s

But I don't think that answers the question of why they order such large aircraft. ATL certainly sees more traffic cargo and passenger than DXB. Wasn't there some skepticism when they ordered the A380?
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Let me explain with an example. Let's say EK sends a 772LR LAX-DXB. What connections would this person reasonably choose to make there? Basically, only Africa, a market proven to be very small from the Americas, and with plenty of competition from the European carriers.

Well what about the people who origin in the US and need to visit DXB for business (or even tourism)? Having a direct option via an EK 772LR probably holds more appeal then flying US-LHR/FRA/HKG-DXB. Rumor has it that EK's 772LRs will be equipped with same luxurious cabins as their A345 fleet, so that should be an incentive for folks in premium cabins needing to get to DXB from North or South America to choose a non-stop EK 772LR vs. a European or Asian connection.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Let's say EK sends a 772LR LAX-DXB. What connections would this person reasonably choose to make there? Not Austrailia, not Asia, and certainly not Europe. Basically, only Africa, a market proven to be very small from the Americas, and with plenty of competition from the European carriers.

Countries like Pakistan and India have large ex-pat populations on the West Coast of the US. I would think they would form a large proportion of the EK traffic out of LAX. EK flies to several cities in India and Pakistan.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting N60659 (Reply 25):
Countries like Pakistan and India have large ex-pat populations on the West Coast of the US. I would think they would form a large proportion of the EK traffic out of the LAX. EK flies to several cities in India and Pakistan

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 19):
The economic models that exist for the rest of the airline industry don't really count for EK, as they're not bothered by fuel prices so much and are owned by a country that, at the moment at least, has virtually unlimited recources to invest in aircraft and infrastructure.

I'm not bashing EK by saying that they pay their fuel less than their foreign concurrents -because that would be wrong-, but I have the feeling that fuel is cheaper in DXB (where EK buys 50% of its fuel) than in Europe or Australia or N Am. Is jet fuel in the UAE cheaper than in the rest of the world or not? By how much?
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:14 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
From what I heard, Dubai has oil but not a lot. It's Abu Dhabi that has lots of oil.

Abu Dhabi is sitting on a humongous natural gas supply if I recall hearing.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:22 pm

Quoting N60659 (Reply 25):



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):

I see what you are both getting at and for the most part it answers my question. However is there a great deal of speculation that this will happen? I wonder because LAX- DXB- JNB for example must be longer than LAX- ATL- JNB so why would you use EK and a DXB Connection for and US Africa connection?
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:33 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 27):
I'm not bashing EK by saying that they pay their fuel less than their foreign concurrents -because that would be wrong-, but I have the feeling that fuel is cheaper in DXB (where EK buys 50% of its fuel) than in Europe or Australia or N Am. Is jet fuel in the UAE cheaper than in the rest of the world or not? By how much?

Not true and has been discussed to death on this forum.. Dubai has to import Jet Fuel...

Quoting Devil505x (Reply 23):
Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 1):
However it sits bang in the middle of Europe, Africa and Asia. Hence it has a possible market of in excess of 3/4 of the world population...

What market? There are also many other airlines in this region. (if thats the point I think you are getting at) Chicago and St. Louis are in the middle of the US that does not mean I want to stop there on a trip from say BOS to LAX.

I said possible market.... Please dont compare the size of the US with a region the size that i have given... Whilst i dont profess to know the exact geography of the US, those flights you mention can only be a at most 3 hours each. Most of EK's flights are greater than 5 hours into and out of Dubai. Stopping in Dubai is mostly a necessity given aircraft ranges through its network..

Many people and yes, many airlines. But how many other airlines in the region have the network that EK has and is bulding..
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 30):
Not true and has been discussed to death on this forum.. Dubai has to import Jet Fuel...

I suppose Dubai has jet fuel and they can get/buy it from Abu Dhabi if they need more
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:17 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 24):
Well what about the people who origin in the US and need to visit DXB for business (or even tourism)?

I thought this thread was talking about all the connections to be made in DXB. My point is that the 772LR is an O/D plane. Now, I totally grant you can call the O and the D anything on the Arabian Peninsula. But even still, this market doesn't seem big enough to support more flights there. Look how few flights visit the US from airlines in that region of the world. You'd need a *plane full* of people wanting to visit the region daily to support the flight. The European airlines can do it because you don't need a plane full heading towards the Middle East to efficiently fly individuals from the Americas to the Middle East.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 25):
Countries like Pakistan and India have large ex-pat populations on the West Coast of the US. I would think they would form a large proportion of the EK traffic out of LAX. EK flies to several cities in India and Pakistan.

Dubai is in the wrong direction! From the West Coast to India and Pakistan, you'd want to fly over Alaska and Russia via the Pacific. Dubai is a polar route favoring the Atlantic. A stop in Dubai adds 1700 miles to the trip. A stop in Japan would only add 1000 miles to the trip. Comparable, I suppose; one adds 4-5 hours to the trip, the other 3-4. But what happens when PIA (which HAS 772LRs ship #1 on the way) starts flying the route? Still want to connect in DXB?

I doubt EK is going to rely on DXB connections to make the -LR profitable. Unfortunately, I just don't see how they're going to do it in another way.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:38 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Dubai is one of the richest countries in the world though, thanx to a sh*tload of oil

Dubai isn't a country, it is one of the 7 emirates (states) that makes up the United Arab Emirates.

The emirate of Dubai does not have much oil by the way and what little oil they do have is expected to run out in 10 years. Most of the oil is in the emirate of Abu Dhabi which distributes oil throughout the rest of the 7 emirates. The other emirates such as Ajman, Fujairah, Umm al Quwain, and Ras al-Khaimeh have little to no oil and heavily rely on the emirate of Abu Dhabi.

Oil and natural gas output in the United Arab Emirates now accounts for only 30% of the country's GDP and it is getting less and less each year.

Quoting Mika (Reply 15):
I am sure that EK's own management knows that better than you and hence are not making any easy mistakes when it comes to fleet expansion.

EK's management is not run by Godly and all-knowing employees that are incapable of making mistakes or errors.

Airlines do fail and Emirates is no exception.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 17):
Your aggressive reply is totally uncalled for. I stated my opinion. This is what a discussion forum is for.

Agree totally. Why don't you give him your perspective on why they are purchasing such aircraft - he's asking a question, not really bashing Emirates's management.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:06 pm

You also have to factor in the tremendous increase in revenue that the Gulf region has realized from the high price of oil. Estimates of over $350Billion. So I guess that money has to be put somewhere.

And if they succeed in making Dubai, not only EK, a first class airline/destination, ala Singapore/Hong Kong, then it will be money well spent!
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:21 pm

Quoting Devil505x (Thread starter):
WHY do they need these high capacity/ long haul aircraft

Who gives a *&^&*, as long as they keep buying huge amounts of heavy metal.... and their checks don't bounce.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:27 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 31):
Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 30):
Not true and has been discussed to death on this forum.. Dubai has to import Jet Fuel...

I suppose Dubai has jet fuel and they can get/buy it from Abu Dhabi if they need more

Oil may flow out of the ground quite readily here in the UAE.... Jet Fuel does not.... Abu Dhabi imports Jet fuel as well..... since when did planes top their tanks off with crude oil??
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 37):
Oil may flow out of the ground quite readily here in the UAE.... Jet Fuel does not.... Abu Dhabi imports Jet fuel as well..... since when did planes top their tanks off with crude oil??

EKGOLD,

Are you trying to tell me that ADNOC doesn't have refineries that produce Kerosene? That's hard to believe.
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircr

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:26 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 34):
Agree totally. Why don't you give him your perspective on why they are purchasing such aircraft - he's asking a question, not really bashing Emirates's management.

He did not ask a question, he stated that EK is doing wrong. So he's the one who should be able to undermine his opinion with a few facts. Additionally, if he thinks that comment was aggressive, then maybe he's not ready for the cold world outside.

Quoting Devil505x (Reply 23):
Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 1):
However it sits bang in the middle of Europe, Africa and Asia. Hence it has a possible market of in excess of 3/4 of the world population...

What market? There are also many other airlines in this region. (if thats the point I think you are getting at) Chicago and St. Louis are in the middle of the US that does not mean I want to stop there on a trip from say BOS to LAX.

Quoting B6sea (Reply 2):
And because of such a lucky location on the map, can be more thought of as ATL (in a hub sense not a geographical one) but with widebodies instead of MD-80s and 737s

But I don't think that answers the question of why they order such large aircraft. ATL certainly sees more traffic cargo and passenger than DXB. Wasn't there some skepticism when they ordered the A380?

Just a hint: stop comparing EK to the United States and the idea and the success of the airline and DXB as a hub could be easier for you to understand. There are numerous threads which already explained that.

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:25 pm

Back to the original question:Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

The answer is quite simple. In order to fill: Dubai To Become Busiest Airport In The World (by Glareskin Nov 23 2005 in Civil Aviation) with pax  Wink

On a more serious note: the Middle East and Asia are booming. And there they just do things instead of talking about it 'til the needs have changed..... Very ambitious. I really hope they will succeed!
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 40):



Thank you that is the answer. Finally
 
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 40):
Very ambitious. I really hope they will succeed!

I second that. Emirates gets my vote as the sexiest airline of 2005!

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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:56 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Dubai is one of the richest countries in the world though, thanx to a sh*tload of oil

As United Airline and BA said, Dubai isn't a country and I think something like 75% of the oil in the UAE is in AUH.

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
What connections would this person reasonably choose to make there?

In addition to the UAE, there should be a huge capability for connecting passengers to LAX to several places including:

-India
-Pakistan
-Iran
-The Caucasus (though it doesn't make fantastic geographic sense, if the price was right it should be no problem)
-Central Asia
-Mauritius (useful for honeymooners, haha)
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 14):
I wonder what kind of plane they would use on thinner routes or short haul?

Why not the A330 and A345 already in their fleet?

Well anyway, my mother reads "Business Week" magazine and there was an article on DXB. Right now DXB is all about business and tourism for the rich and 'high rollers'. As time progresses, DXB may be a new destination for middle-class tourists. Only time would tell. Besides, I live near LAX and if I had to connect in DXB, I'd probably only be going to Africa on a really cheap ticket. I already have non-stops to practically all of Australasia and a good amount of flights to Europe. Why go through DXB?
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RE: Why Does EK Need All These High Capacity Aircraft?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:39 am

It's the economy of scale!
And it is that for two reasons
  • large a/c offer low CASM. Remember, that's the key idea of the A380!
  • large orders result in high discounts.
No doubt, such a strategy is risky, but the business plan is sound and has a very good chance to succeed as planned.

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