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US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:32 pm

US43 to PHL returned immediately to AMS after big problems with engine #1 during the rwy 24 departure today.

Shortly after retracting the landing gear, explosions were heard and several times big flames out of engine #1. The 767-200, ship N656US, in the new colourscheme , lost altitude straight away but managed to recover, only to return directly to AMS towards Schiphol-Rijk , Amstelveen to land approximately 10 minutes later on rwy 27. Seems that no fuel was dumped, but no info on this. Aircraft is now parked at gate G07.

It was the first time I witnessed something like this ... scarey sight ...

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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:36 pm

Sounds like bird ingestion leading to flame out, considering the huge flocks that have appeared in recent photos of AMS.
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:38 pm

From usairways.com........

US Airways Flight 43

Status: Cancelled

Comments: The flight is cancelled due to aircraft maintenance. Customers will be re-accommodated. For information about your party please contact US Airways Reservations at (800) 428-4322.


Im glad everything turned out ok  Smile
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:44 pm

Wow.

Once again, this shows that pilots are worth every penny they're paid, and the "glorified bus driver" title is misplaced.

Can a bird strike really explode an engine like this? I worry that this is something more similar to the incident in a PHL hangar where an engine test on a 767 led to an explosion that damaged the wing and led to its write off.
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:53 pm

BTW, since you were there, did you happen to snag any pictures?
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
Can a bird strike really explode an engine like this?

Yes it can.

Actually, a bird strike caused this  Sad


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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:59 pm

Nope did not snag any picutres, I was eating ... but multiple did, I checked and they assured me an upload on a.net

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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:00 pm

I think pictures may come online somewhere soon, as it took of in front of the famous spotting place at runway 24 (from where it took off).

Something similar happened a few years ago also with a Air Anatolia B757-200 during takeoff.
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:12 pm

Any Official Statement yet.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:43 pm

Wow another one. I live near BDL and a DL jet ingested a few birds last week and had to return back to BDL. That must have been scary for the passengers near the engine.

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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:50 pm

109 pax on board
9 crew
takeoff rwy 24 at 1245L, arrived back at AMS rwy 27 at 1312L

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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:56 pm

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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:01 am

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 7):
Something similar happened a few years ago also with a Air Anatolia B757-200 during takeoff.

I'd sure rather be on a 757 than a 767 with an engine-out situation shortly after takeoff!
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:07 am

Damn, it's one of the birds with the new colors.

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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13):
Damn, it's one of the birds with the new colors.

That's the only 762 in new colours flying at this time (or not anymore now...)
It was at AMS now for the second time.

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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:11 am

WOW, That's an absolute great picture. I can't believe a camera was there at that exact moment taking a high quality shot like this one..

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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:12 am

While working in the office, I also heard the BIG bangs, I had no idea it was an aircraft. I did take a short look outside but didn't see anything so I continued working. Must have been very shocking to see this! Especially for the passengers.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:24 am

Outstanding picture, great job! Note the position of the ailerons!

Time for the pilot to put out the Benson & Hedges, throw back the silk scarf and do some of that pilot @#$%!!!
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:24 am

I had to run some bags to this plane last night in Philly and was standing right next to that engine for about 20 minutes talking to some friends who were about to load the flight. Definitely glad to hear they were able to get it back on the ground safely.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:25 am

I'd like to second KL911. Beautiful shot!!  bigthumbsup 
And thankfully all came out OK.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:39 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 17):
Outstanding picture, great job! Note the position of the ailerons!

I was just about to say that. Other than the ailerons, it looks like just a normal take off (except the fire of course). Pilots really worth every penny!
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:41 am

Damn thats one hell of a pic, im guessing it will soon be pic of the day  Smile
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:47 am

Wow, what a pic, glad everything turned out okay!

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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:00 am

I also wanted to say that is one hell of a photo. I work in CLT and saw that A/C right after the new paintjob. I am happy to hear everyone is alright. Again I will add this pilots are worth every damn penny.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:01 am

Sorry to see my new favorite bird go down like that...
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:12 am

notice how the flame looks like a smiling right hand waving happy flame Smile
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:17 am

Looks like AMS needs to invest in an army of hungry bird-eating cats...

Sheesh...nice picture though.

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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:23 am

The pic just made the top of the last 24 hrs. (as it deserves, IMHO!)
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:45 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 26):
Looks like AMS needs to invest in an army of hungry bird-eating cats...

Or that guy with the pellet gun who took out the domino toppling sparrow

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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:47 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 26):
Looks like AMS needs to invest in an army of hungry bird-eating cats...

Some airports use hawks.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 14):
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13):
Damn, it's one of the birds with the new colors.

That's the only 762 in new colours flying at this time (or not anymore now...)
It was at AMS now for the second time.

That bird was making regular appearances at PHL for nearly a week-and-a-half now. I was fortunate enough to see it make what is believed to be its first PHL appearance 2 weekends ago after it completed a SJU-PHL run.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:52 am

I am glad everything turned out OK, would of

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 10):
109 pax on board
9 crew

This seems very low, is the route underperforming, or is this just the time of year orjust a freak occurance ?

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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:14 am

In addition to the alierons, note the nose wheel-well - the doors are either still closing from it's takeoff, or just starting to open up!

GREAT photo - thankfully all turned out well.
 
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:18 am

So, what now?

Is this an engine write-off? If so, where do they get a replacement engine to bring the plane back to the US?

What will be the near-term effects on US's operation in AMS?

And, about the photo and the people who witnessed this, were these flames streaming out of the plane, or were they flashes coinciding with the bangs?
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:28 am

The ailerons or the flaperons? The flaperons are near the engine (one on each side), the ailerons are near the tip of the wings. I dont think it necessarily means anything...just the fact that he was beginning to turn. He could have started his turn on course while the problem occured at the same time.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:53 am

It's more a compressor stall than a bird strike but I could be wrong!

Watch this space for the debate!
 
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:54 am

This news about the US Air Boeing 767-200 N656US from the airport. The US42 reported shut-down of engine #1 right after take-off due to its faillure. It requested vectors for immediate return to the field without a fueldump.

The aircraft leveled out at 3,000 feet and turned left for (visual) approach runway 27 (Buitenveldertbaan). The aircraft landed safely and returned to gate. Passengers disembarked normally and were put in hotels.

Early technical inspection proved engine compressor problems which caused a surge in oxygen intake whilst engine thrust was partially blocked. This process coïncided with loud bangs and eventually a flame-out.

The aircraft underwent an A-check just last week. An engine change is requested, and probably will be delivered from the USA tomorrow. The aircraft will stay at Schiphol untill the maintenance is performed. No news yet how the passengers will be flown.

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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
Is this an engine write-off? If so, where do they get a replacement engine to bring the plane back to the US?

What will be the near-term effects on US's operation in AMS?

Unsure of the exact logistics, but my guess would be that a replacement engine could be delivered to AMS and installed on the plane so it at least can get ferried back to PHL for additional maintenance & repairs.

As far as near-term effects on US' AMS operations is concerned; they'll probably either hold off on repainting one of their other nine 767s and use it for that route or use one of their A330s.

It wouldn't be the first time that US had one of their large planes out of commission for a period; earlier this year at PHL, one of their A330s (while being deiced prior to its planned PHL-LGW flight) sustained a damaged wing when a deicing boom collapsed on it (the impact of the fall ultimately killed the operator who was in the boom). US managed then, so I'm sure they know the drill so to speak.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
So, what now?

They replace the engine and fly on. I don't know where they'll get it; maybe they need to ferry one in.

As far as it being a writeoff, depends on what exactly happened. I was on a DC-10 in 1980 that had this exact thing happen, at least as far as what it looked and apparently sounded like. Lots of flames, lots of bangs. The engine was replaced, but was then fixed and put back in service. No, my plane did not have a bird strike; I'm not exactly sure what it was but the "bangs" were a series of compressor stalls and the flames were caused by that.

The engine would basically have had to completely disintegrate to be irreperable, I'd think. You can't see what's going on in there from this pic.

btw, I've gotta dispute the assertion that this plane "lost altitude". 767's, like all twin engine planes, are perfectly capable of climbing on one engine and they have to be able to climb on one engine with the power settings used at takeoff. And just think about it - if a plane is travelling at, say, 180 knots (as it would be just after takeoff), it is not going to suddenly lose about 50 knots of speed from an engine flameout. It is a big heavy object and subject to inertia; there's plenty of time for the pilots to react. SOP for 767's may call for a deliberate lowering of the nose to gain extra speed in an engine failure, and this might be mistaken for "losing altitude", but it's not.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting Singel09 (Reply 36):
This news about the US Air Boeing 767-200 N656US from the airport.

Thanks for the clear explanation. I saw it happen this afternoon around 12.50pm as I disembarked the employee shuttle bus at the P30 parking lot. Quite scary to see!

Quoting Singel09 (Reply 36):
No news yet how the passengers will be flown.

Passengers can easily be rebooked on other flights to the US, since there are many options from AMS.Besides that it's quite slow the last few days(as usual this time of the year), so other carriers can accommodate the pax.
 
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:08 am

Good job for the crew to safely handle the situation.

Lucky for the photographer to be at the right place at the right time.

Job well done for both!
 
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
Is this an engine write-off? If so, where do they get a replacement engine to bring the plane back to the US?

Depends if it really was a bird strike with resulting engine damage or a relatively benign series of compressor stalls, really. MX at AMS is perfectly capable of handling it.

Quoting Singel09 (Thread starter):
lost altitude straight away but managed to recover, only to return directly to AMS towards Schiphol-Rijk

I think that's a bit of a sensationalized account. As already mentioned, an aircraft is perfectly capable of climbing out on one engine if dealt with swiftly and correctly by the crew. I'm relatively certain, even, that at the instant that picture was taken, the offending engine was still producing thrust.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 1):
Sounds like bird ingestion leading to flame out,

Doesn't really sound or look like a "flame-out" to me. Something, be it a bird or turbulent airflow or bad parts or something, got the engine "off-kilter" and caused it to belch but flameout it did not.

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
Can a bird strike really explode an engine like this?

Engine did not explode. Unburned fuel ignited in the hot air expelled by the hot section of the engine, but the engine did not explode.

Bird strikes do not normally cause uncontained engine failures (failures that blow parts outside the cowling)--that's usually more due to defects in, say, the hub of a fan or something. When a birdstrike occurs, the fans stay more or less intact. They may be bent opposite the direction of rotation and "chewed-up" but they usually stay in pretty much one piece. The deformation of the fans can lead to "compressor stalls", where the airflow over the subsequent turbine blades is disrupted (much like the airflow over the top of the wing is disrupted in a conventional airfoil stall). That causes the fan surges, the "excess" fuel getting dumped like that, and the loud bangs.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting Warszawa (Reply 34):
The ailerons or the flaperons? The flaperons are near the engine (one on each side), the ailerons are near the tip of the wings. I dont think it necessarily means anything...just the fact that he was beginning to turn. He could have started his turn on course while the problem occured at the same time.

Actually, most large commercial aircraft, including the 767 series, have both outboard and inboard ailerons. The outboard ailerons are closer to the wingtip and are longer and thinner. The inboard ailerons are more square shaped and as their name implys, are closer inboard, in the case of the 767 just aft of the engine area. The two sets are there to help with contollability at slower speeds.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 43):
Quoting Warszawa (Reply 34):
The ailerons or the flaperons? The flaperons are near the engine (one on each side), the ailerons are near the tip of the wings. I dont think it necessarily means anything...just the fact that he was beginning to turn. He could have started his turn on course while the problem occured at the same time.

Actually, most large commercial aircraft, including the 767 series, have both outboard and inboard ailerons. The outboard ailerons are closer to the wingtip and are longer and thinner. The inboard ailerons are more square shaped and as their name implys, are closer inboard, in the case of the 767 just aft of the engine area. The two sets are there to help with contollability at slower speeds.

And those "inboard ailerons" are called flaperons.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:17 am

Just heard from some people at work that maintenance personnel from PHL will be heading out to AMS tonight to replace the engine. I'm guessing the engine will also be on its way to AMS shortly.
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Speedracer1407 (Reply 44):
And those "inboard ailerons" are called flaperons.

No, they're not. They are indeed properly called "inboard ailerons". The term "flaperon" is jargon slang since they are located between the main flap sections and often inclined downwards during take-off and landing to augument flap action, but the aeronautically correct term is "inboard aileron".
 
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 24):
Sorry to see my new favorite bird go down like that...

Within the biz, an aircraft "going down" has an entirely different meaning, and is not what happened here.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting Speedracer1407 (Reply 44):
And those "inboard ailerons" are called flaperons.

No, they're not. They are indeed properly called "inboard ailerons". The term "flaperon" is jargon slang since they are located between the main flap sections and often inclined downwards during take-off and landing to augument flap action, but the aeronautically correct term is "inboard aileron".
 
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 38):
They replace the engine and fly on. I don't know where they'll get it; maybe they need to ferry one in.

Well im not an expert in engine changes, but can US just get a engine from KLM? i mean they use the GE CF6 aswell right?

I kno that airlines in the same alliances do it all the time such as QF, CX and BA with the RR211-524
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RE: US Airways Emergency Landing At Amsterdam Schiphol

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:31 am

I have only met flaperons on the B777. On the B777 they do droop with the flaps. But on the B767 they are just ailerons. Also on the B767 ( and the TriStar), the outboard ailerons are locked out at higher airspeeds, and only the inboard ailerons are used in the cruise.