iowaman
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UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:20 pm

I thought I would post there is a new RJ "focus city" someplace in the south. I was kind of waiting for a PR, but I'll let you guys try and guess where it is. All I'll say is it's in the south, and yes it is confirmed. I've seen the schedules myself. I'll go ahead and hint it is a WN city with a major AA/CO presence. I am still surprised as to why they would do this. Some of the new flights are once daily with some twice daily to the new cities from this southern city. I'm not talking a huge focus city, but they are some very strange destinations IMO.

Edit: For you UA employees lets try and keep everyone guessing.

[Edited 2005-11-22 15:27:34]
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:28 pm

RDU is a WN city with large AA presence. (?)
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:37 pm

RDU doesn't have a large CO presence.

Maybe HOU?

That would be wierd though.

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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
it is a WN city with a major AA/CO presence

Sounds like AUS to me!!!  Smile
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:42 pm

Actually probably not UA themselves but one of their regional partners since UA technically doesn't own RJ's.

So did management sit around a table and say "hey we like what Independance Air is doing at Dulles with their RJ's. Let's do something like that only in a smaller city and go head-to-head with the three majors who are strong enough to not file bankruptcy: WN, CO and our buddies at AA."  Smile
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Actually probably not UA themselves but one of their regional partners

Correct, it is a regional partner (except some of the hub flights, they will remain mainline.)
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:52 pm

BNA, RDU, AUS are my guesses well its nice to finally here some new UA/UAX announcements  Smile
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:57 pm

Me thinks it's probably New Orleans...
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:01 am

I'm surprised this got out... this is supposed to be very hush hush. I.E. I can't even post anything about it. However, I will say that none of the guesses so for are correct.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:02 am

Well, I'll try

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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:03 am

Nope, nope, nope and nope.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:06 am

I'll play....

Austin or San Antonio perhaps.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:07 am

if it's all RJ's ( which aren't limited by the Wright Amendment because they are under the seating cap ) it could be DAL - yes , I know that AA are at DFW rather than DAL - but it is still the same city ( sort of )


hmmmm , wonder what is going on - would Iowaman care to give us a time frame ?
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:08 am

Perhaps DFW or IAH??? Right to the dragon's lair we go!

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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:09 am

damn, modernart beat me to it  Sad

anyway, i'm thinking it's either san antonio or el paso.

[Edited 2005-11-22 16:11:41]
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 8):
I'm surprised this got out... this is supposed to be very hush hush. I.E. I can't even post anything about it. However, I will say that none of the guesses so for are correct.

That's why I'm not saying what city, the new flights are loaded on www.united.com, so it is public information, but I'll let the public find them.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:10 am

SAT ?????????????///////////////////////////////////////////////
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:11 am

True, it is in Apollo already... ding ding ding ding... we have some winners.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 13):
Perhaps DFW or IAH??? Right to the dragon's lair we go!

You didn't read.....its gotta be a WN airport too so DFW and IAH are out. You could try HOU instead of IAH and DAL instead of DFW, however....it isnt those as said before.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
BNA, RDU, AUS are my guesses well its nice to finally here some new UA/UAX announcements

RDU is not South.

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[Edited 2005-11-22 16:16:23]
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
hmmmm , wonder what is going on - would Iowaman care to give us a time frame ?

They start March 3rd.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:17 am

I am guessing AUS. Good luck to them. Texas will be a tough nut to crack. AA, CO and WN will push them right out.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:26 am

There is also another certain city in the south that is getting an oddball flight, or at least an oddball IMO.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:26 am

I believe it is SAT. I tried some random routes and MCI-SAT, OKC-SAT and TUL-SAT are non-stop flights on 3/4/05   

[Edited 2005-11-22 16:29:54]
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:30 am

There are also some nonstop flights ABQ-SAT turning up too.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:32 am

Thank You  Smile

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UA6531

UA6379 SATSFO

UA7232 SATIAD

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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):


RDU is not South.

Tell someone from North Carolina they don't live in "The South" and see what reaction you get.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 25):

Tell someone from North Carolina they don't live in "The South" and see what reaction you get.

True, but I guess I wouldn't consider N.C. the South.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:35 am

Those are already existing COSPN.

Wow, just unbelievable for SAT.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting COSPN (Reply 24):
Thank You

UA6535 SATLAX
UA6531

UA6379 SATSFO

UA7232 SATIAD

Those flights already exsist on OO/Mesa.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:37 am

How completely strange.

Which regional carrier is operating these flights? Are they contract routes for United, or is this more of a "unilateral" network decision by a regional affiliate that won't fall under the agreement with UA? I know SkyWest flies some routes (PSP-LAS, for example) on their own dime.

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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:37 am

well it is in the reservations systems on ual.com this is an attempt by ual to find homes for the Freedom ERJ's they are getting from the usair system. I give it 2-4 months tops!
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:37 am

2x MSY-SAT just found as well
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 26):
True, but I guess I wouldn't consider N.C. the South.

Well being from Ohio once we hit KY anything below is the South to us.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:39 am

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 31):
2x MSY-SAT just found as well

There is another MSY route also.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:39 am

humm are SAT and AUS becoming the new battlegrounds in Texas now?
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting Aggieflyboi04 (Reply 34):
humm are SAT and AUS becoming the new battlegrounds in Texas now?

I don't think there are any new AUS flights. I must say I'm surprised UA would launch this in the heart of WN/AA/CO territory, they are basically going up against WN cities for the most part (there are still some cities being launched from SAT not mentioned yet).
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 30):
this is an attempt by ual to find homes for the Freedom ERJ's

Dunno about the motives, but I just saw the ERJs too--it must not be SkyWest then.

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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:47 am

Add Colorado Springs
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:48 am

Omaha has a new non stop....UA 7465
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 30):
well it is in the reservations systems on ual.com this is an attempt by ual to find homes for the Freedom ERJ's they are getting from the usair system. I give it 2-4 months tops!

Wrong.

This is similar to a recent agreement with a newer UAX carrier and is not like the other agreements in place with SkyWest, Mesa, Republic, etc.

The 9 Freedom ERJs are being placed along the East Coast out of the IAD hub.

These ERJs are coming from a certain STL operator under a different contract.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
thought I would post there is a new RJ "focus city" someplace in the south. I was kind of waiting for a PR, but I'll let you guys try and guess where it is. All I'll say is it's in the south, and yes it is confirmed. I've seen the schedules myself. I'll go ahead and hint it is a WN city with a major AA/CO presence. I am still surprised as to why they would do this. Some of the new flights are once daily with some twice daily to the new cities from this southern city. I'm not talking a huge focus city, but they are some very strange destinations IMO.

Edit: For you UA employees lets try and keep everyone guessing.

This is why UA is bankrupt. Indy Air just tried this and they are going to be auctioned off. Pure stupidity on UA's part.
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 35):
I don't think there are any new AUS flights.

I was referring to the new JFK/BOS-AUS routes being launched by B6 in Jan
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 26):
True, but I guess I wouldn't consider N.C. the South.

Using historical lines for regional definitions...North Carolina was on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

Most companies I know, and those I work with, include North Carolina within a geography or territory known either as the "South", "Southeast", or "Mid-South".
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:52 am

The new routes that they are doing are:

2x daily to New Orleans (MSY)
1x daily to Kansas City (MCI)
1x daily to Omaha (OMA)
2x daily to Albuquerque (ABQ)
1x daily to Colorado Springs (COS)
13x weekly to Oklahoma City (OKC) - one flight on Sunday
13x weekly to Tulsa (TUL) - one flight on Saturday

I am working on the other MSY flight.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:54 am

where is the new focus city and who is the regional operator?
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 39):
These ERJs are coming from a certain STL operator under a different contract.

That should be a giveaway that it's Trans-States...
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:55 am

what will be the retaliation on CO/AA/WN's part???
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:09 am

This RJ focus city seems to make little sense at all. If I had time, I'd look up some more specifics, but a few questions keep nagging me :

1. Entrenched AA/CO/WN territory; there is no doubt about that. Heavy FF territory and brand recognition will be one tough hurdle.

2. Why are they adding routes such as OMA, ABQ, MSY, etc when these are cities with high AA/CO/WN presence and connectivity? Why not cities where SAT lacks service such as West Coast/Mexico, etc,etc where they can probably achieve higher yields anyways due to lack of competition?

3. Why RJ's? I'm 'assuming' that UA is focusing on the O&D in SAT on this one, but with the high CASM costs and the experiment that was FlyI (with albeit a more attractive fare structure as well!), what makes UA think that this will be a profitable venture?

4. The lackluster economy of San Antonio and the poorer demographic of the city also troubles me. Yeah, they've got Toyota and some other industries, but I simply don't think it's enough to bring in the higher yields that AUS or IAH get, for instance.
 
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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:09 am

San Antonio to:

**Albuquerque**
810am-900am
131pm-220pm

Chicago.ORD
715am-959am
205pm-445pm
525pm-805pm

**Colorado Springs**
635pm-745pm

Denver
625am-736am
915am-1029am
1228pm-139pm
210pm-317pm
600pm-703pm

**Kansas City**
940am-1140am

Los Angeles
645am-753am
405pm-512pm

**New Orleans**
1000am-1140am
635pm-815pm

**Oklahoma City**
830a-1000am
715pm-845pm

**Omaha**
1240pm-300pm

San Francisco
735am-931am

**Tulsa**
250pm-425pm
715pm-850pm

Washington.IAD
1205pm-413pm


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RE: UA To Start New RJ Focus City

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:14 am

I am looking these up in apollo and I show nothing but CO and AA flights on these city pairs. Are we sure its one of these tx cities? And when is this supposed to start?

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