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AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:21 pm

in 1998 i flew RDU-LGW an returned on LGW-MIA-RDU. on RDU-LGW I flew on a DC-10 (i am 99.9% sure) my questions.. 1) What a/c have AA flown RDU-LGW with (DC-10, 777, 767 any others?) 2) Also When and why did AA drop its MIA-LGW. As it stands on I think only DFW and RDU fly into LGW correct? And lastly when I flew LGW-MIA what a/c might I have been on. (I was young in 1998 so I dont remember But I do remember the DC-10).

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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:48 pm

RDU-LGW at one point was an A300 also.
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:51 pm

The caption makes me think otherwise from what I said in post one...But I could have sworn they fly the A300 for a little while on the route.


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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:51 pm

Are you certain LGW-MIA was on AA? I believe AA never linked Miami and Gatwick; only Miami with Heathrow.

In 1998, RDU-LGW would have been an MD11 or 767. Weren't the DC10's gone by 1998? I do not think the T7 was put on that route until AA retired the last MD11's.

Quoting Fbm3rd (Thread starter):
As it stands on I think only DFW and RDU fly into LGW correct?

You are correct. In addition there was a very brief period (post-TWA) where AA operated St. Louis-Gatwick with a 763.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:57 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Are you certain LGW-MIA was on AA? I believe AA never linked Miami and Gatwick; only Miami with Heathrow.

Both AA and BA had service to both London airports in the mid 90's. I'm trying to get the dates for when they dropped the LGW service from MIA.

I specifically remember the BA routings because we used to wholesale them. We'd have people use the MIA gateway because no matter where you were connecting beyond London you could get a same airport transfer if you left MIA.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
In 1998, RDU-LGW would have been an MD11 or 767. Weren't the DC10's gone by 1998?

The last DC-10s for AA were gone in the year 2000.

Quoting Fbm3rd (Thread starter):
Also When and why did AA drop its MIA-LGW

I am not sure if AA ever flew MIA-LGW but if they did why not drop and go to LHR instead. No reason to serve LGW from MIA if you can go to LHR.
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:08 am

to the best of my recollection, AA initiated service RDU-LGW on a 767 and then upgraded to a 777. It has only flopped 2 or 3 times since the 777 came along, and it was always with a 763.

The AA 300 hasn't made schedule service at RDU unless it was for the SJU service (that I can't be sure).
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting Flymia (Reply 5):
I am not sure if AA ever flew MIA-LGW

I was sure it was LGW-MIA. I know i have flow into MIA coming from london once in my life and the only time i left from LHR it was on UA to IAD therefore the other times it was leaving LGW on AA into MIA as well as BA into JFK... Am I going crazy b/c i am sure it was LGW-MIA????
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting Fbm3rd (Reply 7):
I was sure it was LGW-MIA. I know i have flow into MIA coming from london once in my life and the only time i left from LHR it was on UA to IAD therefore the other times it was leaving LGW on AA into MIA as well as BA into JFK... Am I going crazy b/c i am sure it was LGW-MIA????

You're not crazy.. it was AA. Still looking to find the service dates.  Smile
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:10 am

American has never used the DC-10 nor the A300 on the RDU-LGW service. It was either a 767-200ER or a 767-300ER in 1998. I don't think the A300 was ever regularly scheduled for RDU service, not even from SJU or MIA. The DC-10 was used for services to RDU when it was still a hub, mostly domestic flying to Florida, ORD, LGA and SJU.

For a brief period in the late 90s, AA served LGW as well as LHR from MIA, with a 763. It wasn't profitable and only lasted for less than a year. At various times, AA has also flown to LGW from JFK (1991) and BOS (late '90s, can't remember exact dates), both of which were dropped and were of short duration.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 9):
It was either a 767-200ER or a 767-300ER in 1998

I must dissagree. I am sure it was a DC-10 or at least a DC something. It was June 1998 if that helps anyone. I know it was not a B67 from RDU-LGW when i flew it. It was def. a DC. Can anyone back me up on this aspect?
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:24 am

Our transatlantic 3-class DC-10s were retired in 1993. We still had DC-10s in the fleet after that, until around 2000, but they were 3-class DC-10-10s used on transcons, 2 class DC-10-10s used on other domestic routes, and 2-class DC-10-30s used on Hawaii routes and SJU.

The RDU base is very small, around 60 flight attendants, and no pilots are based there. The only trip flown currently by RDU F/As for years has been LGW, and it's always been a 767 until it was upgraded to a 777. The RDU-LGW are flown by pilots from other bases as a 6-day trip, so it was highly unlikely it was a DC-10, unless there was some really weird substitution of equipment. But I have colleagues who are based there, and have no recollection of them ever mentioning DC-10 service to LGW.

We did have the MD-11 until 2002, but none of the RDU F/As were qualified on that aircraft, unless they were based somewhere else where the MD-11 was used and transfered into the RDU base.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:05 am

AA flew MIA-LGW on 763 seasonally a few years back. MIA-MAN is coming back next JAN/06 several times per week 763 too. No A300s ever to LGW from any US point unless there was a diversion, same for RDU. RDU-LGW is returning to 777 soon.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:09 am

In the summer of 1998, American Airlines attempted to offer both BOS-LGW and MIA-LGW along side BOS-LHR and MIA-LHR. The logic being that they already had a station at LGW, and limited slots at Heathrow, so why not? However, the yield on the BOS/MIA-LGW flights just didn't do.
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:32 am

anyone know the rotations for the a/c.... currently i think its rdu-lgw-dfw-fra (maybe)...anyone know what it was back then??
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:45 am

i think it's DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW right now on the T7, or is it a 767 yet?
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:51 am

Yeah..

It's a 763 through 14Dec and the rotation is DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:39 am

AA flew RDU-ORY in the early 1990's, with a 762ER as well.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:50 am

True, very true ContinentalEWR.

Hopefully we can get a CDG/ORY returned and a FRA/MUC flight initiated in the next year or 2. A similar package to the LGW deal is in the works.

I hope so.. LH / AF / KLM would make a great addition to RDU.
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:45 pm

Did AA use the A300 out of RDU for any routes at any point in time? They seemed like a rare commodity even when RDU was a hub for them.

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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:08 pm

Gatwick... I think you guys left out the time that AA linked Gatwick with Nashville.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:11 pm

As said before A300s have never been used for scheduled service out of RDU. They've come in a few time on medical diversions, which I've been lucky enough to witness. I think the MD-11 is the only recent American equipment I never had a chance to see fly into RDU.

ERJ170,

You say a flight to CDG/ORY or FRA/MUC is in the works? Where did you find this information? I'd love to hear more about this. If its true and not some crazy rumor than I'm guessing it would be due to companies in RTP? Sounds too good to be true to me...
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:21 pm

so has no one been able to confirm the DC from rdu-lgw in 1998...not even once???
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 12):
No A300s ever to LGW from any US point unless there was a diversion

This is incorrect, our BOS-LGW service was a 3 class A300. I worked that flight 5 times a month and it had individual IFE. The FAA required us to do a manual demo on that aircraft since bulkhead and exit row seats weren't allowed to have their IFE screens out for taxi. It also had games and all the flight attendants were VERY proficient at Tetris.

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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:20 am

I'm sure in the Summer of '94 there was a daily flight by 763 LGW/ORD, only lasted for the summer, but I worked for Servisair check-in at the time and we had DFW,RDU,Nashville and ORD - but loads were bad so it finished mid September that year - if not sooner. I could be wrong but sure there was an ORD for a while at LGW
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:31 pm

OK so i have my boarding passes... RDD-LGW flt. 174 June 19th dep. 7:15pm. Seat 36B (is there any way to sell the type of a/c from the boarding pass. I also took a pic of it but i dont know how to insert it?) Then There was LGW-MIA AA flight 113 june 29th dept. 2:15pm seat 31B..
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:56 pm

Quoting Rdu777 (Reply 21):
You say a flight to CDG/ORY or FRA/MUC is in the works? Where did you find this information? I'd love to hear more about this. If its true and not some crazy rumor than I'm guessing it would be due to companies in RTP? Sounds too good to be true to me...

Heres what I know from reading different articles and things of the such. There is a new "committee" looking to subsidize flights to LAX, SFO, FRA, and CDG. The first routes being looked at are LAX and SFO. It is mainly a cooperative effort between RDU, the various universities in the area, and most of the large companies in the region. The flights would work similar to the LGW flight. Guaranteed profit and aircraft with plenty of cargo space..

In anticipation of the flights, RDUAA is including 3 international only gates in the new Terminal 2.
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 18):


Hopefully we can get a CDG/ORY returned and a FRA/MUC flight initiated in the next year or 2. A similar package to the LGW deal is in the works.

Well I hope to God it's all private dollars that are subsidizing it. Would be a shame to saddle any taxpayers with it for no reason with nearby CLT already.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:20 am

As stated above, there would be no taxpayer money for the subsidizing.. it would come from teh committee which includes local businesses, universities, and RDUAA (who would be the steering committee but not contribute financially)

Hopefully Los Angeles will come aboard in the next year.. followed by SFO. I would love to see Privatair flights to FRA/MUC and CDG... or even Maxjet/Eos..
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 28):
universities,

Tax money right there. UNC = Durham = Public U, right? At least its your local tax money down there, waste it away how you please. SCASD's, such as the new RFD service, really get to me.
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 29):
UNC = Durham = Public U, right? At least its your local tax money down there, waste it away how you please.

True, UNC & NCSU are public universities. However, the major universities (UNC, NCSU, Duke) get FAR more money from grants, endowments, and donations than from the state. And I can't be certain, but I don't think state funds could possibly be used for such ventures. Just for example, UNC alone has received $2 billion in grants, endowments, and donations this year alone. I don't think they need to use money from the state to assist.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 30):
UNC alone has received $2 billion in grants, endowments, and donations this year alone. I don't think they need to use money from the state to assist.

No doubt there are alot of endowments and whatnot. States across the board need to pay a closer watch to how their public universities run through the state monies though, but that's definitely not aviation related whatsoever. I just don't see a need for there to be so much artificial influence into the RDU air network, especially with CLT right down the road (relatively speaking). No other markets the size of the "Triangle" have that much international service either, it's just not warranted. Look at CMH for example. RDU is kind of like the little Terrier who thinks its a big Great Dane.
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:35 pm

RDU is not looking to be a hub or a major international player. But what RDUAA is trying to do is satisfy the public that uses the facilities and allow an opportunity for the region to grow as a global player. The more nonstop destinations an area has, the better it is for business relocation and growth. So by looking at the areas where the most traffic is going, RDU is helping the Triangle growth. I think that you will find that most airports and regions do the same thing. Many international companies have/are/or will be moving or building facilities in the Triangle area and most companies want to be able to get their people to their final destination as soon as possible. The 3 biggest European destinations are the UK, France, and Germany. So why wouldn't RDUAA want to try to offer service to those destinations? And if the local businesses are seeking it also, why not work together to get some service together?

I dont' see how RDU is trying to be a big dog. It seems to me that they are just trying to give their customers what they want, which seems like good business sense to me. I'm sure if u search u will see that markets of similar size (IND, CMH, BNA, SJC) are doing the exact same thing.
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:03 am

What are the major German and/or French companies that you think would be interested in subsidzing RDU service.?
 
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:11 am

That I can not be sure of, Cltguy.. but here is a list of companies in RTP... and this does NOT include companies in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Morrisville, Chapel Hill or Apex.. this is only in the <10 miles which is RTP.. so take your pick.. I'm sure you will see plenty of German and French companies.. and if you like, I can find which companies are in the cities mentioned above.. Trust me, there are PLENTY of ties in Central NC to be looking at initiating service..

Biotechnology/Agricultural Biotechnology/Biological Agents(15 Companies and 2,022 Employees)

AlphaVax, Inc.
Affinergy Inc.
BASF Corp. Agricultural Products
Bayer CropScience
BiogenIDEC
BioAbility, LLC
Cromoz, Inc.
Endacea, Inc.
Endocrinology
Icoria Inc. (Formerly Paradigm Genetics)
Norcarex Bio Corporation
North Carolina Biotechnology Center
Schwarz Biosciences, Inc.
Syngenta Biotechnology, Inc.
Xsira Pharmaceuticals (Formerly Norak Biosciences Inc.)
Zen-Bio

Chemicals(3 Companies and 245 Employees)
American Assocation of Textile Chemists and Colorists
International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry
Reichhold

Electronics/NanoTechnologies(10 Companies and 860 Employees)
Accurate Electronics Inc.
BOC Gases
CopperRoad Corp.
Delta Products Corporation
DuPont i Technologies
Instrumentation Associates
MCNC Grid Computing and Network Serivces
MCNC Research & Development Institute
Mechanical Specialty Contractors, Inc.
Sumitomo Electric Lighwave Corporation
Troxler Electronic Laboratory, Inc.

Environmental Science (9 Companies and 2,454 Employees)
CIIT Centers for Health Research
General Engineering & Environmental of NC, Inc.
ICF Consulting
ManTech Environmental Technology, Inc.
National Toxicology Program
National Institute of Environmental Health Science
Tetra Tech
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
USDA Forest Service - Southern Station

IT/Informatics/Pervasive Computing/Telecommunications (21 Companies and 20,405 Employees)
Accurate Electronics
Brown Computer Company
Caspian Networks
Checkfree Investment Services
Cisco Systems
Computer Sciences Corporation
EMC Corporation
Ericsson
IBM
Learning Machines
Lenovo
Mi-Co
Network Appliance
Network Development Group
Nortel Networks
RadarFind Corp.
Snowfin, LLC
Software Development Europe, Inc.
Sony Ericsson
UAI Technology, Inc.

Materials Science(2 Companies and 35 Employees)
Bekaert Corporation-Bekaert Fibre Technologies
Bekaert Flex Circuit Venture

Miscellaneous(19 Companies and 3,047 Employees)
Burroughs Wellcome Fund
Credit Suisse First Boston
Council for Entrepreneurial Development
Elixar Inc.
GlaxoWellcome Foundation
GretagMacbeth LLC
ISA
Motor Equipment Manufacturer’s Association
National Humanities Center
National Institute of Statistical Sciences
North Carolina State Education Assistance Authority
North Carolina Technological Development Authority
RTI International
SandTec Media Corp.
SciMetrika , LLC
Sigma Xi, The Scientific Society
Statistical & Applied Mathematical Sciences Institute
Triangle Research Collaborative
Underwriters Laboratory

Pharmaceutical/Health Services/CRO/CCO/Medical Devices (21 Companies and 6,433 Employees)
Aeolus Pharmaceuticals (Formerly Incara)
Affinergy Inc.
BD Technologies
Cognosci, Inc.
CPKD Solutions, LLC
Cytospect Pharma Inc.
Diosynth Biotechnology
Duke Mass Spectrometry
Eisai Inc.
GlaxoSmithKline
Governor’s Institute on Alcohol and Substance Abuse
Howard Associates, LLC
Kucera Pharmaceuticals
Lineberry Research
North Carolina Healthcare Information & Communications Alliance
North Carolina Medical Device Organization
SCYNEXIS, Inc.
Synthon Pharmaceuticals
Talecris Biotherapeutics
Triumph Health Care, Inc.
United Therapeutics Corporation
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:35 am

Good grief ERJ, I wasn't asking for a list of the RTP companies. I am very familiar with RTP. I used to work at Biogen.

I was interested to know what German and/or French companies would be interested in subsidizing the flights.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:42 am

I dont know of any particular German and/or French companies, but most companies have some sort of EU ties.. and it is a conglomerate of several companies.. I personally don't know which ones cause I don't think it was published. There is a website for the committee but I will have to research it to find it out..
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:22 am

Raleigh-Frankfurt has good potential to work on Lufthansa. Raleigh-Paris, however, will work when pigs can fly. Not even US Airways' Charlotte hub was able to profitablly support a Paris service, which lasted less than three years, and Raleigh will not be able to do it either.
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RE: AA-LGW? (MIA And RDU Questions?)

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 37):
Raleigh-Frankfurt has good potential to work on Lufthansa.

PIT is heavily courting that as well with the pharma/biotech in the city and its ties to FRA.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:33 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 37):
Raleigh-Paris, however, will work when pigs can fly

hehehee.. NCSU is working on that problem right now.. get your bacon, pork chops, eggs, and chicken wings off of one animal.. ahh.. got to love the way Ag Tech works..
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 39):
hehehee.. NCSU is working on that problem right now.. get your bacon, pork chops, eggs, and chicken wings off of one animal.. ahh.. got to love the way Ag Tech works..

If buffaloes already have wings, why not pigs too, lol.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:47 am

Hahaha.. and those are some good wings too! Mmmm buffalo wings.. but seriously, those are the 2 areas in which most emphasis will be placed for international growth from RDU.
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