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WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:41 pm

Since my last post from WSJ got deleted due to copyright violations... Here are the major points:

After securing order from ILFC for 12+8 A350s, that puts Airbus orders at Dubai airshow to 82 plus 14 options.

Boeing secured 68 firm orders.

Order of 70 Chinese 737 counts as seperate since it wasn't part of the Dubai airshow.

As many as 80 more 737s are expected from China.

Analyst expect more than 700 orders for Boeing for 2005, more than 500 for Airbus.

Boeing stock reached a 2 year high

Full article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1132...9304649.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo

[Edited 2005-11-23 14:42:40]
 
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:08 pm

According to this article, Boeing has already broken 800 orders for the years.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/249387_air23.html?source=rss
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:09 pm

Yes Airbus had higher unit sales but if you look at the total value of contracts signed, Boeing won the show.

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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 2):
Yes Airbus had higher unit sales but if you look at the total value of contracts signed, Boeing won the show

Any other manufaturers get orders (Embraer, military, etc)?
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting FlyingHippo (Thread starter):
Analyst expect more than 700 orders for Boeing for 2005, more than 500 for Airbus.

Wow! those are some great analists... even a baby could predict that, since Boeing already shows more than 700 signed orders on their website, and airbus almost 500 (from 31st of october)...  Smile

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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:32 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 4):
Wow! those are some great analists... even a baby could predict that, since Boeing already shows more than 700 signed orders on their website, and airbus almost 500 (from 31st of october)...

 rotfl 

Well the year is not over yet... what is obvious though is that this was a GREAT year for both Airbus and Boeing  champagne 
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:03 am

Is anyone realy surprised that Airbus are bagging more orders AT AN AIRSHOW?
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:59 am

Congratulations to both manufacturers!  champagne 

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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 3):
Any other manufaturers get orders (Embraer, military, etc)?

ATR secured a deal for 20 * ATR 72-500 from Kingfisher for $350M. There is also an option for 15 more.

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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:41 am

By the way, AerCap leasing has just ordered 70 A320s in Dubai.
 
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:45 am

Good year for both airbus and boeing and embraer. I think it is a record year in history.
 
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting Hotelbravo (Reply 9):
By the way, AerCap leasing has just ordered 70 A320s in Dubai.

No they haven't. They just signed a LOI. This shouldn't be counted as orders, but I bet Leahy will count them.
 
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 11):
This shouldn't be counted as orders, but I bet Leahy will count them.

Leahy counts even Airbus' own planes as orders  biggrin 

Great year for both manufacturers, great year for aviation enthusists. The more planes up in the air, whether A or B, the better for us.
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:38 am

Great news for every one, just lets hope things are going back to normal, so
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:46 am

After the feast, how soon can we expect the famine?
 
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:56 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 14):
After the feast, how soon can we expect the famine?

Soon. Boeing is already predicting '06 will not see the kinds of orders '05 did. I'm not sure what Airbus' take is on the coming year.
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
Soon. Boeing is already predicting '06 will not see the kinds of orders '05 did. I'm not sure what Airbus' take is on the coming year.

1600 or so orders is obviously unsustainable.
If you look at both manufacturers market forecasts, the average order take per year should be in the 800 - 1000 range.
AFAIK, this year is a catch-up year following 3 quiet ones.

Interestingly, both manufacturers expect to be up around 450 deliverys each by 2007/2008
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:42 pm

Its nice to see a ecovery in Aviation Again.Out here The Aviation Sector seems to be Rising quite fast too & a number of Orders comming from this region has helped a lot.
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:49 pm

Boeing just announced 26 X 787 orders from leasing companies (ILFC and LCAL). Details on here:-

http://www.boeing.com/flash.html

Guess that puts Boeing ahead on points?
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:53 pm

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 10):
Good year for both airbus and boeing and embraer.

Don't forget ATR, it's their best year since 1989  Wink

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 18):
Boeing just announced 26 X 787 orders from leasing companies (ILFC and LCAL). Details on here:-

http://www.boeing.com/flash.html

Guess that puts Boeing ahead on points?

Not at all. Over the past week I saw many criticise some of the Airbus orders such as ALAFCO & TAP which were announced, as they were "previously announced" and the contract was only being "firmed", or whatever excuse the relevent cheerleader so chose to wave their pom poms in their victory dance.

Both of these 787 orders were previously booked as unidentified on Boeing's site. ILFC was the worst kept secret when it came to the 787 UFO order though LcaL was a surprise, it was still on Boeing's book's since May.

IMHO both manufacturer's have done exceedingly well with Boeing benefitting from EK's order and potentially having a higher dollar value added to their backlog as oppossed to Airbus receiving orders for more frames for their backlog. Either way, what a show. I never anticipated this many orders after the activity we've seen so far this year. Fair play to them both and may we, as enthusiast's, enjoy the benefits for many years to come.

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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:04 pm

Quoting FlyingHippo (Thread starter):
As many as 80 more 737s are expected from China.

Not to nitpick, but the 80 orders may not be for just 737s. For example, I've been told that the 787 has won over the A350 at Shenzhen Airlines. They want 10, and most likely will be included in the 80 that are still to come.

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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:35 pm

Quoting FlyingHippo (Thread starter):

Order of 70 Chinese 737 counts as seperate since it wasn't part of the Dubai airshow.


Is the breakdown of these 70 aircraft already known and who the recieving airlines are? There are still 45 737's not firmed up, ordered by 2 chinese airlines earlier this year. They might well be all or partially included in those 70, that could bring the total of new orders down to just 25.
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RE: WSJ: Airbus Pushes Ahead Of Boeing At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:11 pm

I believe the 30 China Southern and 15 Xiamen were firmed in this anouncement.

I have heard 5 for Shenzhen and 5 for Air China, which leaves 15. My guess would be Shanghai and/or Shandong.

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