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Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:43 am

Airbus has just released the following news on their website.

$14 Billion worth of Orders and Commitments (excluding options) at the Dubai Air Show, for the Following companies:

Aercap 70x A320
Alafco 12x A350
ILFC 12x A350
Jazeera Airways 6x A320
Kingfisher 30x A320
National Air Service (NAS) 5x A318
Tap Portugal 10x A350 7x A330
UFO 5x A320

Total: 157

As for the A350 it has now received 155 Orders/commitments for 155 airplanes from 11 customers.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ases_items/11_23_05_14billion.html

congratulations to Airbus. This sure has been an excellent year for Aviation in general.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Du

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Alafco 12x A350

not to be a stinker... but this order was first announced in Paris... why is Airbus reannouncing an order??? it just got firmed up...

Yes, a very good year for aviation.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:53 am

Thanks Wings for the update!  Smile

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Alafco 12x A350
ILFC 12x A350

Any idea which carrier these A350's will be for?

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
UFO 5x A320

Any idea which carrier the A320's are for?

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:29 am

I know my question is classic, but how much $ billions of orders does have Boeing till now (just for comparation) ?
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 1):

not to be a stinker... but this order was first announced in Paris... why is Airbus reannouncing an order??? it just got firmed up...

I believe that they included the Alafco order as it passed from a MOU to a firm order.

We can also say the same about Boeing and ILFC, as they were listed as UFO on their order list.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Any idea which carrier these A350's will be for?

My guess would be any current A330/A340 operator is a good candidate to take some of the orders.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Any idea which carrier the A320's are for?

Most probably a follow on order from an airline.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:36 am

Doesn't matter if it got more planes than Boeing.
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:46 am

Taking Airbus penchant for saving orders for airshows into consideration, I don't see this as surprising at all.

We all knew Airbus we're going to announce some juicy deals and Dubai.

Interesting to see the total list cost, none the less.
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:20 am

Any indications as to why QR didn't confirm their orders at the show?

That goes for both manufacturers BTW.....
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:49 am

It's still some good news and PR for Airbus, and even though the huge expected QR and EK confirmations/orders have yet to come through, that existing commitments for the A350 have been signed, as well as new orders placed, is a vote of confidence for the program.
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
UFO 5x A320

Some correction, it says 5 A320 Series aircraft for an undisclosed private customer.
The A32S premium models seem to be selling very well.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
The A32S premium models seem to be selling very well.

UA classifies their TED A320s as A32S in their timetable and there is precious little premium about them.  Wink
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:01 am

I don´t think Boeing will be very dissapointed if they sold less aircraft then Airbus in Dubai. They sold 42 777-300ER´s to a fat cat, very important in bridging the ´03-´08 period.
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
UA classifies their TED A320s as A32S in their timetable and there is precious little premium about them

And that´s why I said A32S PREMIUM (ACJ family) models, consisting of the A318Elite, A319 Executive(LR)/ACJ and A320Prestige. However, A321s are also available for VIP/Executive customers on request or can be converted to such models.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:35 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
As for the A350 it has now received 155 Orders/commitments for 155 airplanes from 11 customers.

Wow!  eyepopping  That makes the A350 a lot easier to sell. (Its about 1/2 way to a good resale market, where a minimum of ~300 or 400 airframes are required.)

I have to say, I'm liking 2005!  bigthumbsup  There is finally a good variety of aircraft out there that interest me for the new orders: E190, 787, 350, 380, 777, and even the 737/320 fight.  box 

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting Starrion (Reply 7):
Any indications as to why QR didn't confirm their orders at the show?

I was wondering the same too. Will QR and EK still announce their orders for the A350 and/or 787 during the Dubai Air Show? It would be nice from a marketing point of view.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 5):
Doesn't matter if it got more planes than Boeing.

By my count, there are 140 for Airbus and 143 for Boeing.

Definately a good show all round.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:49 pm

This does seem to be a good year for both. Good job bus!
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:02 pm

lots of orders are great but can the manufacturers actually turn that into a profit, as Boeing's experience 8 years ago shows, thats not always the case. keeping or gaining market share at a loss is viable as a short term strategy only
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:40 pm

A cynic might suggest that they sold mostly the smaller older types.
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:49 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Any idea which carrier the A320's are for?

Aer Lingus is a possibility.
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 18):
A cynic might suggest that they sold mostly the smaller older types.

Of wich R&D are payed of years ago might an optimist ad.  Wink
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:39 pm

UFO Airways ???


I'd like to see their planes ? Is there uniform green ? and the staff 4ft tall ?
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:49 pm

Quoting StargoldLHR (Reply 21):
UFO Airways ???

UFO = Undisclosed customer.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
I have to say, I'm liking 2005! There is finally a good variety of aircraft out there that interest me for the new orders: E190, 787, 350, 380, 777, and even the 737/320 fight.

Let's not forget Boeing will be rolling the 748 in a few years. No orders yet, yes, but I'd expect it'll be a pretty big player if the A380 proves to be marketable. Airbus says the 748 won't be a competitor, but think about it, the 748 can fly into probably 30 times more airports than the A380. Why would carriers want the A380, which requires reconstructing airports to accomodate it? Not to mention, many configurations of the A380 will have 550 or so pax configurations, whereas the 748 just under 500, so they could be pretty directly competitive.

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:54 am

Quoting Flytweed (Reply 23):
Why would carriers want the A380, which requires reconstructing airports to accomodate it?

I think the airport issue hasn't yet stopped an airline from ordering it. And the large international airports which can expect future A380 services will upgrade anyways.

Quoting Flytweed (Reply 23):
Not to mention, many configurations of the A380 will have 550 or so pax configurations, whereas the 748 just under 500, so they could be pretty directly competitive.

The B748 will seat some 450 pax in three classes while the A380 will seat 550. If you choose luxurious layouts (like QF and SQ are planning) then you get some 370-400 seats on the B748 and some 460-490 on the A380.


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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:59 am

Quoting StargoldLHR (Reply 21):
UFO Airways? Is there uniform green? and the staff 4ft tall?

Their uniforms are silver and the FAs all have metallic wigs.  Silly

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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:31 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 20):
Of wich R&D are payed of years ago might an optimist ad.

What's that got to do with the "numbers we sold" game? It applies to the folks in Seattle as well-haven't they sold a bunch of 737s this year?
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 26):
It applies to the folks in Seattle as well-haven't they sold a bunch of 737s this year?

Where in my post did I write that it doesn't apply to the people in Chicago (not Seatlle)?  Wink

Selling a bunch of A320's or 737 might not be as glamourous as selling widebodys, but the huge numbers involved will certainly bring in a nice return on their investment, wich is paid off years ago. Let's not forget, that even the smallest aircraft from Boeing or Airbus is listed at around 50 million $, that's a massive amount of money to any individual.
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 27):
Selling a bunch of A320's or 737 might not be as glamourous as selling widebodys, but the huge numbers involved will certainly bring in a nice return on their investment, wich is paid off years ago. Let's not forget, that even the smallest aircraft from Boeing or Airbus is listed at around 50 million $, that's a massive amount of money to any individua

you would think it should be like printing money but as B showed in the 90s, you can lose several billion making lots of planes for customers ordering lots of planes!
 
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RE: Airbus Books $14 Billion Worth Of Orders At Dubai

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 28):
you can lose several billion making lots of planes for customers ordering lots of planes!

Obviously, but it's up to the manufacturer to keep this under control. None of the 2 manufacturers need to go below cost, they both have a fair share of the market and do not need to 'buy' market share. Quoting Airbus CEO Humbert again, "it's better to have 1% increase in profit than 1% increase in marketshare".

I sometimes wonder what the real cost for a 737 or A320 is. Recently I read that Spicejet (Air India's low cost operation) purchased 737's for as little as 16 million $ (must admit that it was not the most reliable source  arrow  it was on this forum).
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