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Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:04 am

I am wondering what is the largest European airline on routes between Europe and North America. Any suggestions?

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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:06 am

I presume you mean quantity of flights?
Easily BA.
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:08 am

Would guess:
1. BA
2. LH
3. AF
4. KL
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:09 am

It is easily BA. While LH and AF/KL are larger in absolute network terms than BA, when it comes to the Atlantic, no European airline even comes close to BA.
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:27 am

In 2 letters: BA

Who's # 2? AF or LH?

#4 then should be a fight between IB and KL (+VS?)

But I think we'll quickly run into # of destinations vs # of flights vs capacity problems (eg one has more flights but less capacity etc...)
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Charliecossie (Reply 1):
Easily BA.

Definitely. To underscore BA's transatlantic presence, as far as I know they are the only European airline to have opened its own terminal at a U.S. airport (T7 at JFK, which they now share with UA and others).
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 4):
#4 then should be a fight between IB and KL (+VS?)

IB isnt really strong from Europe to North-America, they have just flights to ORD (in winter even not daily), daily MIA and there flights to JFK.

KL and VS are much more stronger, IB is on same level as OS or SK for example.... ah AZ should be stronger (flights to JFK,EWR,BOS,ORD,IAD,YYZ....)

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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
IB isnt really strong from Europe to North-America, they have just flights to ORD (in winter even not daily), daily MIA and there flights to JFK.

They also serve Mexico City and San Juan, both in North America.


How about Swiss (JFK, EWR, BOS, YUL, LAX, MIA, ORD) or Icelandair (JFK, BWI, BOS, SFO, MSP, MCO)?
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 7):
San Juan, both in North America.

San Juan is located in the Caribbean, not North America. Guam is a US territory but I doubt people that live in Guam, say that they live in North America.

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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:32 am

Seeing as KLM are Air France now, i think AF will be second.

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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:59 am

I would say.
1. BA
2. KL/AF
3. LH
4. VS
5. AZ
6. Swiss
And than Aer Lingus, IB, Icelandair.
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:31 am

The Carribean is part of North America. Guam is in Asia. Cuba which is also in the carribean is about 90 miles off the coast of Florida.
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 11):
The Carribean is part of North America.

Much of the Carribean is closer to South America than North America.
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:56 am

If you look at the North American destinations on Iberia's website, it lists San Juan.

Quoting 767-300ER (Reply 11):
The Carribean is part of North America. Guam is in Asia. Cuba which is also in the carribean is about 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

If Cuba is considered to be part of North America, then add Havana to Iberia's North American destinations.
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:37 am

BA flies these routes from what I found.

From: MAN-JFK.

From: LGW-ATL, TPA, MCO, IAH, DFW.

From: LHR-MEX, IAH, PHX, MIA, ORD, DTW, BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, PHL, BWI, DEN, LAX, SFO, SEA, YYZ, YVR, YUL.

No clue about the Caribbean but clearly its BA.
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:42 pm

I think VS would beat LH ?

LH has 3 to JFK ?
VS has about 6 ?

how many places in the US does LH fly to ?
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:49 pm

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 12):
Much of the Carribean is closer to South America than North America.

N. AMERICA (23)
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Rep.
El Salvador
Grenada
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
St. Kitts & Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent &
the Grenadines
Trinidad & Tobago
United States

source: worldatlas.com
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:55 pm

According to this, LH serves 20 destinations in North America. Not sure about frequencies.

VS only serves 9 mainland destinations plus 8 in the Caribbean (see here)

For BA's routes, check out their comprehensive maps here.
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:55 pm

LH easily beats VS on this one
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:13 am

BA has 38 daily flights from UK to North America
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:24 am

Wikipedia states BA flies to Halifax,Nova Scotia, is that true?
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 20):
Wikipedia states BA flies to Halifax,Nova Scotia, is that true?

Not scheduled, only diversions.
 
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RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 17):
According to this, LH serves 20 destinations in North America. Not sure about frequencies.

Here are all Lufthansa flights to North America (incl. MEX) with frequency and aircraft type (only flights operated on LH metal, no codesharing flights or flights operated by Privatair):

From Frankfurt:

  • ATL, daily with 34V (343 without First Class)

  • BOS, daily with 744

  • ORD, daily with 744

  • DFW, daily with 333

  • DEN, daily with 346

  • DTW, daily with 333

  • IAH, daily with 343

  • LAX, daily with 744

  • MEX, daily with 744

  • MIA, daily with 744

  • JFK, daily with 333 and 744

  • EWR, daily with 343

  • PHL, daily with 34V

  • PDX, on days 2,5,7 with 34V

  • SFO, daily with 744

  • YYZ, daily with 34V

  • YVR, daily exept day 2 with 34V

  • IAD, daily with 744


  • From Munich

  • CLT, on days 1,3,5 with 343

  • ORD, daily with 333

  • LAX, on days 2,4,6 with 343

  • JFK, daily with 333

  • SFO, daily exept days 4 and 6 with 343

  • IAD, daily exept days 1 and 3 with 343



  • Source: New LH timetable.

    Please correct any mistakes.

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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:55 am

    I personally think that is Iberia.




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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:09 am

    Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):



    Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):

    N. AMERICA (23)
    Antigua and Barbuda
    Bahamas
    Barbados
    Belize
    Canada
    Costa Rica
    Cuba
    Dominica
    Dominican Rep.
    El Salvador
    Grenada
    Guatemala
    Haiti
    Honduras
    Jamaica
    Mexico
    Nicaragua
    Panama
    St. Kitts & Nevis
    St. Lucia
    St. Vincent &
    the Grenadines
    Trinidad & Tobago
    United States

    I'd rather costa Rica was considered South america

    but going with this list IB could have been on the run before cancelling the MIA HUB. They then had

    MEX
    GUA
    SAP
    SAL
    MGA
    SJO
    PTY
    HAV
    CUN
    MIA
    JFK
    ORD
    SDQ
    SJU

    not bad !
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:28 am

    What about SN Brussels Airlines? Do you think they will introduce their own operations soon?!
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:29 am

    Interesting how World Atlas say all those countries are in North America, yet in NAFTA you only see Canada, the US, and Mexico. Why the need then to have CAFTA?

    I'll stick with gov't facts before I start believing a shady website.

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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:30 am

    Quoting SNBA (Reply 25):
    What about SN Brussels Airlines? Do you think they will introduce their own operations soon?!

    I am sure that SN could fill up a daily 333 to NYC and ORD.

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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:34 am

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 27):



    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 27):
    I am sure that SN could fill up a daily 333 to NYC and ORD.

    Patrick

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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:43 am

    I would consider Mexico as Central America.
    Geographically they are in North America.
    But that's all.They have more in common with Central America than USA and Canada.


    About the question, I think British Airways is the largest one.
    Then: LH, AF, KL,AZ,IB,VS,Icelandair,SK,EI,LX,TP.


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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:57 am

    Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 15):
    VS has about 6

    Only 3 daily flights LHR-JFK against 7 by BA.
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:06 am

    Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 8):
    San Juan is located in the Caribbean, not North America. Guam is a US territory but I doubt people that live in Guam, say that they live in North America.

    In the United States they are taught that North America is Canada,U.S.A.,Mexico,Central America, and the Caribbean. In South America it is another story. So for the Americans this is the way it is. No one here is wrong or right.

    Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):
    but going with this list IB could have been on the run before canceling the MIA HUB. They then had

    SJU? They never had MIA-SJU, nor did they have MIA-SDQ.

    Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):
    I'd rather costa Rica was considered South america

    You rather not be confused with being Puerto Rican, but that will never stop happening for you. Also god forbid you have any relation with "North America". sarcastic 

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 23):
    I personally think that is Iberia.

    IB? Not even close. If you are talking about the "Americas" then we can talk about IB. But since we are discussing "North America" then IB does not even come close.
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:37 am

    How about Aeroflot, I tried searching, but couldn't quite find a list of their North American destinations.
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:00 am

    Quoting Komododx (Reply 26):
    Interesting how World Atlas say all those countries are in North America, yet in NAFTA you only see Canada, the US, and Mexico. Why the need then to have CAFTA?

    There are plenty of countries in Europe that don't belong to the EU, would you say they're not in Europe?

    Bottom line is, the Caribean is not a continent. There are only 2 continents in the Americas: North America and South America and the Caribbean is part of North America. If you followed soccer you'd know that  Smile

    As for the topic at hand, BA is by far the largest European carrier to N.America. I have a feeling that LH and IB take second and third place respectively. LH is definately the second carrier to the US with 25 daily flights, and IB is the European carrier with the strongest presence in Central America, all of which is part of the North American continent.
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:45 am

    Quoting Airbazar (Reply 33):
    If you followed soccer you'd know that

    I'm sure Komododx follows football, but he may not know what "soccer" is.

    Here's a question: if Icelandair started flying Reykjavik-San Juan, would that count as Europe-North America flight?  duck 
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:53 am

    Reading the replies the answer is quite emphatic, North America is BA's most important and possible most profitable market. This is not suprising considering the UK accounts for 40% of the total UK/Europe-North America market.
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:58 am

    KLM's North American network:

    JFK (daily 772, daily ex mo,th,su 747/744)
    EWR (daily 332/763)
    ORD (daily 74M/744)
    IAD (daily 332)
    IAH (daily 74M, daily ex wednesday x 737 ops by Privatair)
    ATL (daily 763)
    LAX (daily 74M/744)
    SFO (daily MD11/763)
    YUL (daily 767)
    YYZ (daily 744)
    YVR (daily 763)
    MEX (daily 74M)

    NWA/KLM flights:

    DTW (3 x daily 330)
    MSP (3 x daily 330/D10)
    BOS (daily 333)
    SEA (daily 333)
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:12 am

    Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 36):
    NWA/KLM flights:

    DTW (3 x daily 330)
    MSP (3 x daily 330/D10)
    BOS (daily 333)
    SEA (daily 333)

    Also MEM-AMS(daily DC-10)
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:09 am

    Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
    Definitely. To underscore BA's transatlantic presence, as far as I know they are the only European airline to have opened its own terminal at a U.S. airport (T7 at JFK, which they now share with UA and others).

    True, however I would think UA would have their own terminal at such a alrge airport?
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:29 am

    Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 34):
    Here's a question: if Icelandair started flying Reykjavik-San Juan, would that count as Europe-North America flight?

    To some it would be Europe-North America, to others it would be Europe-South America, and to others it would be Europe-Americas.
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:50 am

    OK... FOR THE RECORD... IF YOU DONT THINK THE CARIBBEAN AND C. America are in North America you are a bumbling idiot and have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously they are part of north america (central america is NOT a continent...get over it.) Every atlas says so and technically they are on the North American tectonic plate. Leave it to A.net to argue over what continent countries are on.... sorry for the rant just I cant believe this is even an issue... The person didnt specify whether they meant N. AM. continent or N. AM (Canada US mexico) so just assume they meant all of NORTH AMERICA.

    So, that would put IB way higher up there, I'm not sure that it would eclipse VS or LH but defianately raises it up. Also do you think they will ever increase flying to non-spanish-speaking North America and also do you ever think maybe VS or LH will Come close or GASP eclipse BA?

    Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 34):
    Here's a question: if Icelandair started flying Reykjavik-San Juan, would that count as Europe-North America flight?

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 35):
    This is not suprising considering the UK accounts for 40% of the total UK/Europe-North America market.

    WOW, Although after LHR is allowed for all American airlines then this may not be the case anymore.
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:56 am

    Quoting DavidT (Reply 38):
    True, however I would think UA would have their own terminal at such a alrge airport?

    Most US airlines share terminals at large airports. Having your own dedicated terminal is fairly rare.
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:45 am

    Ia Orana all !

    Here are AF's schedule for the winter 2005 taken from skyteam.com as of november 24th

    CDG-BOS 11/7
    CDG-CVG 0/7
    CDG-ORD 7/7
    CDG-YUL 14/7
    CDG-YYZ 7/7
    CDG-JFK 27/7
    CDG-EWR 7/7
    CDG-IAD 14/7
    CDG-PHL 5/7
    CDG-MIA 7/7
    CDG-LAX 14/7
    CDG-SFO 7/7
    CDG-ATL 12/7
    CDG-IAH 7/7
    CDG-DTW 5/7
    CDG-MEX 14/7
    CDG-HAV 7/7
    CDG-SDQ 3/7
    CDG-PUJ 4/7
    CDG-SXM 6/7
    ORY-FDF 8/7
    ORY-PTP 9/7
    FDF-PTP-PAP-MIA 3/7

    This means that AF operates 198 flights a week to north america and the carribean during the winter.

    For the summer season taken from june 24th 2006

    CDG-BOS 14/7
    CDG-CVG 7/7
    CDG-ORD 7/7
    CDG-YUL 21/7
    CDG-YYZ 7/7
    CDG-JFK 35/7
    CDG-EWR 7/7
    CDG-IAD 21/7
    CDG-PHL 7/7
    CDG-MIA 7/7
    CDG-LAX 17/7
    CDG-SFO 7/7
    CDG-ATL 14/7
    CDG-IAH 14/7
    CDG-DTW 7/7
    CDG-MEX 14/7
    CDG-SDQ 3/7
    CDG-SXM 6/7
    CDG-PUJ 4/7
    CDG-HAV 14/7
    ORY-FDF 14/7
    ORY-PTP 14/7
    FDF-PTP-PAP-MIA 3/7

    In the summer season AF operates 243 weekly flights to North America and the Carribean

    All this puts AF in a clear 2nd position, particularly during the summer.

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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:11 pm

    I have to say either BA or LH
     
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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:12 am

    Quoting Airbazar (Reply 33):
    There are plenty of countries in Europe that don't belong to the EU, would you say they're not in Europe?

    Please go back to Int'l Trade 101 to learn the difference between a customs/trade union and a trade agreement. The EU and NAFTA, CAFTA, or FTAA are far from alike.

    Quoting Airbazar (Reply 33):
    Bottom line is, the Caribean is not a continent. There are only 2 continents in the Americas: North America and South America and the Caribbean is part of North America. If you followed soccer you'd know that

    The Caribbean is not a continent. Got it right ::Ding ding ding:: However if you'd follow soccer you'd know about Concacaf and you'd know North America has to compete against Central America for World Cup positions. No point in having just the US, Canada, and Mexico play against each other. Nonetheless it's a ridiculous argument, since teams like Japan often get invited into Copa America. In reality, if you look in any non-US geography book you'll see there is only one American continent.

    Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 34):
    I'm sure Komododx follows football, but he may not know what "soccer" is.

    Look at my profile and look at where I live. I follow both. Probably more football than soccer, you know, TD's, fumbles, blitzes, fourth downs... oh wait, I don't think you're familiar with fourth downs  tongue 

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    RE: Largest European Airline To North America?

    Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:13 am

    Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 12):
    Much of the Carribean is closer to South America than North America.

    Yeah, but they are considered North America. At least that's what I was taught here in North America. But, I always found it funny that Trinidad was considered North America. You could swim from Trinidad to Venezuela, SA.

    Quoting AA767400 (Reply 31):
    In the United States they are taught that North America is Canada,U.S.A.,Mexico,Central America, and the Caribbean. In South America it is another story. So for the Americans this is the way it is. No one here is wrong or right.

    So, what's the story in South America?

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    Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

    Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

    Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos