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HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:30 am

This is from the companies employee website

November 2005
Extended Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS) test flight

Last week, we completed our first proving run in preparation for Boeing 757 service to HNL . This was the first of three validation flights that are taking place to the islands. The aircraft had a total of 30 people on-board, including members of local and national FAA, both pilot and flight attendant crews required for the certification as well as AWA/USAirways Flight Ops, Maintenance and Inflight management. VP Flight Ops, Joe Chronic led the team on-board along with ETOPS Maintenance Program Manager, Tama Mohelnitzky.


 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:42 am

What does ETOPS stand for? Because as far as I know it is Engines Turning Or Passangers Swimming.  biggrin 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1):
What does ETOPS stand for?

Extended Twin Engine Operations Performance Standards
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:01 am

When is HP to start its HNL flights? Are they doing them just out of PHX?
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:09 am

Daily service PHX-HNL and PHX-OGG starts on Dec. 15. March 1/2 will mark the start of daily LAS-OGG service, along with 4x PHX-LIH and 3x PHX-KOA flights.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:23 am

So what did the 30 people do on the flight to HNL? It's not like sitting on a 757 for 5 hours is very meaningful.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
So what did the 30 people do on the flight to HNL? It's not like sitting on a 757 for 5 hours is very meaningful.

See above quote:

Quoting Phxplanes (Thread starter):
The aircraft had a total of 30 people on-board, including members of local and national FAA, both pilot and flight attendant crews required for the certification as well as AWA/USAirways Flight Ops, Maintenance and Inflight management.

All required people to be "sitting" on a plane during a proving run.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6):

So what happens on a proving run? Do they just sit there to see what is going on in case there is a problem, or is there evaluation work and procedures that need to be gone over in flight? Or was it just a free ride for all of these important people.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:45 am

The ETOPS "proving runs" would experience theoretical problems such as, "OK, the left engine oil pressure is now dropping out of the green arc, what will you do?" There's a fair amount of discretion left to the FAA and some of those inspectors can be creative at pseudo-problems.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:04 pm

Who's going to handle the maintenance in HNL? The middle picture is too small to tell if there are any contract maintenance personnel out there.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:34 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 4):
3x PHX-KOA flights

Actually, they'll fly to KOA 4x a week. (I just interviewed for a CSA job on Monday at KOA, looks like I'm going to get it.)
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:35 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9):
Who's going to handle the maintenance in HNL? The middle picture is too small to tell if there are any contract maintenance personnel out there.

I know AQ is going to do it at KOA. I would imagine it will be the same at HNL.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:43 pm

Congrats if you, UA2162  Smile

I was just going by what HP had posted on their Hawaiian announcement page - http://www.americawest.com/awa/conte...tions/awacities/hawaii_splash.aspx - and evidently their plans changed based on advance bookings!
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:40 pm

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 11):
I know AQ is going to do it at KOA. I would imagine it will be the same at HNL.

Really? Because I don't recall AQ doing any contract maintenance in HNL.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:45 pm

Why doesn't this just get started as US Airways services out of the starting blocks instead of AWA?
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:45 pm

Because the planes are America West's and the ETOPS certification is America West's.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:51 pm

Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1):
What does ETOPS stand for?

Enticing Treats for Our Pacific Sharks.

As told to me by some smart a$$ in an ATA L-1011 on a dark crossing one night. We got a good laugh out of it.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:53 pm

Congrats

Quoting VPBNE (Reply 1):
What does ETOPS stand for?

ETOPS

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/88703
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:09 pm

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 16):
Enticing Treats for Our Pacific Sharks.

That's the best one yet!
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 8):
The ETOPS "proving runs" would experience theoretical problems such as, "OK, the left engine oil pressure is now dropping out of the green arc, what will you do?" There's a fair amount of discretion left to the FAA and some of those inspectors can be creative at pseudo-problems.

When DL first got their -ER's (circa 1990-91) they did number of these "proving flights" out of ATL. On one of the flights the FAA threw an "emergency" at them on the NAT, which called for an immediate divert to Keflavik. They ended up overnighting there, and the crew all had their picture taken in front of the airplane the next day with "Hard Rock Cafe- Reyjkavik" t-shirts. Sounds like these flights can also be a lot of fun.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:03 pm

What was the reasoning to not offer Las Vegas to Honolulu? As many people well know there is a huge demand for O.D. Las Vegas to Honolulu.

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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:20 pm

I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:39 pm

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

mmm I tought so too. Maybe HP are going to be flying from some destinations other than LAX on the west coast to Hawaii and the certification doesnt extend that far. Just a tought.

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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:44 pm

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

It is aircraft and airline specific. Just because CO, TZ, and others do it, does not mean HP gets the right to automatically operate ETOPS flights. I would also be curious to know when BA started trans-Atlantic B-757 flights.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
I thought the 757 was already ETOPS qualified. BA, CO and a few others fly them from JFK, EWR and some other eastern seaboard states to Europe don't they? Doesn't that take ETOPS certification?

Yes, the 757 has been designed and certified for ETOPS, but each airline has to be approved for the operational aspects of ETOPS, such as crew training, maintenance procedures, minimum equipment items, operational procedures, etc. An airline cannot merely order an ETOPS certified airplane and start flying ETOPS routes.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
ETOPS

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/88703
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These links indicate that the certification is also crewmember specific. Who does the ETOPS crew training, airline (after their own certification) or FAA? Is this just cockpit crew or cabin crew as well? Does the crew get a pay bump for ETOPS certification? As this certification will go on HPs op certificate and US is already ETOPS, could a US ETOPS crew fly a HP aircraft as the two airlines (not the op certificates) are now merged? Could a HP ETOPS crew fly a US 762 to Europe?

On a slightly different note, I've always wondered why US didn't get ETOPS for their 752s and operate more European service, ala CO.

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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting Ifly2eat (Reply 23):
I would also be curious to know when BA started trans-Atlantic B-757 flights

We don't anymore. These flights used to be out of the regions, BHX for sure and maybe MAN. AFAIK one flight routed BHX-JFK-YYZ?? I think these ended around the late nineties, search the database there's definately some pics of BA 57's at YYZ, JFK etc.

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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:09 am

This is a shameless, unabashed bump,  guilty  but does anyone have any answers for the questions in reply 25?
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting KY Air (Reply 25):
On a slightly different note, I've always wondered why US didn't get ETOPS for their 752s and operate more European service, ala CO

US 752's are not ETOPS equipped aircraft.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:44 am

US crews cannot fly HP aircraft right now, nor can HP crews fly US aircraft. The airline certificates are completely separate, not to mention the union contracts aren't merged.

Interestingly, the merger contracts allow HP crews to fly up to two HP ETOPS B752s transatlantic... long-thin, anyone?

Of course, they'd seriously need some Envoy seats... I can't imagine anyone wanting to fly HP domestic First transatlantic.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:44 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 29):
Interestingly, the merger contracts allow HP crews to fly up to two HP ETOPS B752s transatlantic... long-thin, anyone?

Yep sounds like a good idea....might just happen. That's where the money is for sure.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 29):
Of course, they'd seriously need some Envoy seats... I can't imagine anyone wanting to fly HP domestic First transatlantic.

Yeah maybe...though if the fares are cheap enough, who gives a flying flip eh?
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:57 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 29):
Of course, they'd seriously need some Envoy seats... I can't imagine anyone wanting to fly HP domestic First transatlantic.

Well HP could pull an AA and sell the plane as all economy. HP's first class on the 757 is at least a little better than the horrible cabin on AA's 757s.

It will be interesting to see if it happens.
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:53 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 22):
mmm I tought so too. Maybe HP are going to be flying from some destinations other than LAX on the west coast to Hawaii and the certification doesnt extend that far. Just a tought.

They aren't flying them from LAX...they are flying from PHX and LAS.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:01 am

A bit off topic:
What will happen to the code-share agreement between HA and HP? I mean a lot of passengers from the Mid-West or East Coast are being fed through PHX due to this agreement?
So will it mean that HA and HP/US will be competitors instead of partners?

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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:37 am

The mainland codeshare ends 12/15/05. HP will still codeshare with HA for inter-island flights. Right now you can only book flights for dates after 12/15 to Hawaii from cities served by HA's metal.
 
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RE: HP Etops Test Flight

Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 29):
The airline certificates are completely separate, not to mention the union contracts aren't merged.

That is going to be a battle royale... Many are fearing that alone will put a squash on anything moving forward with the merger.

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