crogalski
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My First View On JetBlue's E190

Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:06 pm

Ok, I'm finally home, and here I go!

Ok, so tonight, pretty much all of our evening flights had experienced some sort of delays.. so it was pretty busy. Tonight started our stations 3 RON aircraft. 2 A320's, and 1 E190. (We are the first station to have the E190 as a RON, other than JFK and BOS of course..). So the first A320 arrives, and we complete work.. 30 minutes later, the next A320 comes in.. and shortly after that the E190 finally comes in.. The one that we were all waiting for.

I was given the opportunity to guide him in.. Technically, I was the first one to guide him in here at TPA! It might not mean much.. but it means a lot to me! We see him coming around one of the A320's, and I must say.. the engines on the E190 are a LOT quieter than the ones on the A320's...

As I am marshalling him in, I am in disbelief on how beautiful this aircraft is... I would really compare kinda to the size of a B717.. but smaller... So finally I stop him, and we do the rest thats necessary...

After that is done, the 6 of us split up, and 4 head to the aft cargo door where most of the bags are usually kept.. and myself and another crewmember goto the front cargo door. We we're trained through jetblue university online courses about how to operate the doors and what not.. but wow.. we had some trouble opening the doors... Brazilians have a weird way of doing the handles  Silly  Wink Luckily, we had JetBlueUniv. instructors come down on earlier flights, and they showed us how to do it.

Now, I am very a rather big person.. height and width.. And when I saw that bin.. I nearly urinated on myself... Holy crap is that bin small.. I went, and looked at the aft bin.. and it was even smaller height wise than the front bin. So I decided to sit out on the bin duty for this flight. The thing about the bin is, it might be short in height, but it goes pretty far back into the plane.. bin wise.

After we were done with our stuff.. I decided to head up inside, and check it out.

When I first came into the jetbridge.. Compared to A320's.. The entrance is a lot smaller.. (Of course.. the plane is smaller).. The seats, with the TV's look very sharp.. Unfortunately, the LiveTV and XM wasn't hooked up on the a/c yet, but the TV's were in place. The Aft lavatory is HUGE.. seriously.. you could bring in a keg with you, and have plenty of room in there... The windows are a lot bigger, so you do see more out of the window.. and the lighting is good. Walking up and down the aisle.. There was plenty of head, and shoulder room. (Keeping in mind, that I'm 6'4).

I finally jumped up into the flight deck. That is one cramped flight deck to be honest.. I sat in the CAPT and FO's seats.. and there isn't that much head room, but still comfortable. The bicycle yoke feels pretty weird.. I wonder how it's compared to the sidestick, or regular flight yoke. There is one jumpseat right behind the CAPT's seat, that folds down and moves over behind the cockpit door.. But it doesn't look that comfortable. The PFD's and other displays are sharp looking, and very high tech. The HUD wasn't installed yet.. I don't think it's finished its testing process.

In conclusion.. At first, I was pretty skeptical of Mr. Neelemans decision of going with E190.. But after tonight, I think that Embraer has made an AWESOME aircraft.. And down the line, that it just might give Boeing and Airbus some competition... Sure, there are a few problems right now with it.. But tell me, which aircraft really hasn't had some problems its first few years on the market?

Here are some pictures from tonight:

From the jetbridge, the CAPT looking at me while I'm guiding him in.. (No, I didn't take this photo  Silly):
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/1.jpg
Forward part of the cabin:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/2.jpg
The Flight Deck:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/3.jpg
Entire Cabin:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/4.jpg
Rear Lav:

Plane name:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/6.jpg
Forward bin:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/7.jpg
Me in the CAPT's seat:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/8.jpg
Flight Deck:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/9.jpg
Exterior:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/10.jpg
Exterior:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/11.jpg
Exterior:
http://www.crogalski.com/crogalski/uploaddir/12.jpg

Thanks for taking the time to read this! I know that the A/C is a lot smaller, but keep in mind, I've only worked on a A320 prior to this!
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:32 am

Dziekuje bardzo! bigthumbsup 
Both the photos and your view on this plane are very informative.

Quoting Crogalski (Thread starter):
Sure, there are a few problems right now with it.

Tell us more about the problems.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 1):

I can't really speak for MX.. But just some weight and balance, FOD in the Engine, some electrical systems...
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:06 am

Beautiful pics. thank you for sharing.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:17 am

Wow it looks amazing. Can't wait to take one of those. When they start ROC-Florida (WHich better be soon) I will probably spend some time at my cousins then just head down from there on them. Or just take them on some flights from JFK.

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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:29 am

As an F/A, I love working the plane. It's smooth, sleek, comfortable, and very customer friendly!
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Crogalski (Thread starter):
Sure, there are a few problems right now with it.. But tell me, which aircraft really hasn't had some problems its first few years on the market?

Sounds like you're just having the normal "teething issues." Unfortunately, this is normal the first 18 months of a new airframe (or engine).

Have you heard much customer feedback?

I keep seeing posts on the E-jets bins. Could you please go into more detail on how the E-jet bins compare to other aircraft? Any numbers that would help one understand would be great. (If you're allowed to take a measuring tape, go for it!) For instance, how much shorter is the E-190 bin in interior height than the A320? Are the cargo doors easier or tougher to crawl into?

Thanks for the informative post!
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:37 am

That E190 looks too cramped in the cockpit, with your head literally touching the ceiling. How tall are you?

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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:48 am

Levg79,

He states on his post that he's 6'4....which is taller that 92% of us. Still, 2 or 3 inches of head clearance does not look nearly enough.

Also, I recently read in a Magazine that David Neeleman decided to name the first E-190 "Azul Brasileiro" because he was born in Brazil....is this so?

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crogalski
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
I keep seeing posts on the E-jets bins. Could you please go into more detail on how the E-jet bins compare to other aircraft? Any numbers that would help one understand would be great. (If you're allowed to take a measuring tape, go for it!) For instance, how much shorter is the E-190 bin in interior height than the A320? Are the cargo doors easier or tougher to crawl into?

From my standpoint, being 6'4, the A320 is pretty comfortable, it's a lot easier for me to have kneepads, and be on my knees loading and stacking bags.. Even though I have to slant a bit.. The A320 bin is larger, but it's not as deep as the E190. Here's a picture of the A320 aft bin 3..

The Cargo door is def. a lot bigger, and there is a lever to hydraulically open it. I hope you understand what I mean...

Here's inside 3-1/2


It's not that hard to get into an A320, once again, this is from my standpoint.. and I am big...

Now the E190.. So far, I've only seen it once.. The door isn't really hydraulically operated, and you have to pull out a special pole from the bin to keep the door open. I tried to crawl into the aft bin.. and wow.. I had to crawl on the belt loader, and then crawl into the bin.. and it was very small.. I think the only way I would be able to work in there, is if I sat Indian style, and was hunched over, or laid down.. haha, which wouldn't be that easy to work.

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 7):
That E190 looks too cramped in the cockpit, with your head literally touching the ceiling. How tall are you?

6'4. Yeah.. When I first jumped in there, it was really hard to jump into the seat.. Then I found out how to move the seat around, but still, my knees were touching the yoke, and my head was touching the panel.. which is really odd the way that it's made... Next time I see it, I'll take more pics.

I'll also try to get more pics of the A320's and E190's bins.

Hopefully that helps answer some of your guys' questions..
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:46 am

I read that the E190 bin is approximately 3 ft tall.

Which raises the following issue... Ramp employees generally aren't small people. They have to be strong to lift bags all day, so they're likely to be bigger in most cases. (I know it's a broad generalization, but to some extent it's true) How on earth are these guys going to fit in the bin? I mean it's not like they can specifically hire midgets (or dwarfs if you want to be P.C.) to load the 190s. How is someone like Crogalski going to load these bins while bent into a pretzel, let alone without hurting themselves?

When I look at those pictures, the only word that comes to mind is "How??"

Are there other aircraft with similar sized bins out there? (aside from other 170 family) How did it affect the airline's operation?

Anyone here work for Chautauqua or AC on the 170/175? How are they managing?

How has jetblue been managing with loading them so far?

I know, so many questions, but I'm trying to wrap my head around this.
 
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:00 am

I'm gonna try to get in the bin on the 190.. The first one we had, last night/this morning, I know the two people that unloaded it, one is maybe around 5'10-6'0, and he was pretty much bent down, as you described, as a pretzel, and then the other one in there, was just as tall as me, but skinny, and he was unloading while sitting indian style.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 7):
That E190 looks too cramped in the cockpit, with your head literally touching the ceiling. How tall are you?

Keep in mind, that is NOT the normal ceiling height in the cockpit. JetBlue either has a HUD installed, or has pre equipped the cockpit for the HUD projector. The Embraer 170/190 have a very ample sized flightdeck...

HUD equipped...
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:34 am

Quoting YV136C (Reply 8):
Also, I recently read in a Magazine that David Neeleman decided to name the first E-190 "Azul Brasileiro" because he was born in Brazil....is this so?

Yes Luis, he was born in Brazil. Later as a young man he spent two years as
a Mormon missionary in Brazil (I believe in the Rio area), so he knows his
Portuguese. BTW, does "Azul Brasilerio" translate into something like "Brazilian
Blue"?
 
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 10):
I mean it's not like they can specifically hire midgets (or dwarfs if you want to be P.C.)

Midgets and dwarves aren't the same thing.  Smile

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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting RC135U (Reply 13):
BTW, does "Azul Brasilerio" translate into something like "Brazilian Blue"?

Yep. And the plane wasn't named that just because Neeleman is from Brazil. Keep in mind that Embraer planes are also made there.

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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:55 pm

Beautiful Pics I cannot wait for them to start service in MKE with them.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:09 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 16):
I cannot wait for them to start service in MKE with them.

You and me both brotha' Lets hope it is REAL soon!!
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:09 pm

Hey when your in the belly of the 190 watch your head. They have these soild metal cages hanging down protecting the fire detection systems. I am waiting for someone to split there head open. I hope over time they fix that and the stupid non-slip flooring which is also a pain. other than that Great looking airplane cant wait to fly on it sometime.
 
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:09 pm

All the new planes were retrofitted with the HUD. I do not belive it is used in regular flight yet but its in the process. All future deliveres will come with it preinstalled.

The compartment is small but you figure... shorter flights and less baggage takes a small load off. One complaint im sure the ramp is going to hate is that floor. The A320 floor is painted and when that rubs off there is finished metal. On the E190 pit there is some sort of rubber mat which looks like it would be a big pain to slide bags on.

Ditto on the quieter operation. Its much easier on the ears. I wish the APU followed suit but I guess you cant have it all.
 
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 9):
When I first jumped in there, it was really hard to jump into the seat.. Then I found out how to move the seat around, but still, my knees were touching the yoke, and my head was touching the panel

I'm 6'5 and i spent quite some time inside E190's cockpit.. It's cramped to get in, but when on the seat, I had no problems at all.. After regulating seat distance to the column, pedal position and seat height I had reach to all the commands and enough space was available... No HUDs installed though.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting Crogalski (Thread starter):

awesome report man. I am anxious to see the E190 at my station THIS SUNDAY (11/27). It will be running BOS-RSW-BOS (extra flight due to holidays). I just hope I'm on the team that works that flight!  crossfingers 

As for the bin size, we all know its gonna be smaller than the A320. So we're gonna have to find a new technique to work in it. LOL. Either that or send all the really short, skinny guys in there. LMAO

Again, looks awesome and excellent job at getting all those pics. I myself will DEFINETLY be checking this plane out when it comes to RSW.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:35 am

Quoting Jetsetsteve (Reply 18):
Hey when your in the belly of the 190 watch your head. They have these soild metal cages hanging down protecting the fire detection systems. I am waiting for someone to split there head open. I hope over time they fix that and the stupid non-slip flooring which is also a pain. other than that Great looking airplane cant wait to fly on it sometime.

Watch them make us start wearing helmets in there.. LOL

Quoting HiFi (Reply 20):
I had no problems at all..

Was your head hitting the HUD box?

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 21):
As for the bin size, we all know its gonna be smaller than the A320. So we're gonna have to find a new technique to work in it. LOL. Either that or send all the really short, skinny guys in there. LMAO

Haha, I've decided, that I'm going to lay down, while loading and unloading bags.. which is going to be a kodak moment.. hahahhaha
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:26 pm

Forgot to ask, and picture requests?
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 15):
Yep. And the plane wasn't named that just because Neeleman is from Brazil. Keep in mind that Embraer planes are also made there.

I know quite well where the planes are made (although I haven't had the pleasure of going to SJK), but the article clearly stated that it was named so because DN was born there.

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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:24 am

I had a chance to talk to some pilots at AC witch are flying the new EMBR and they gave them the name E180, push back, taxing and 180 back to the gate!!! hahaha

Sorry, seriously they are just having some start up stuff going wrong, it is a
very nice ac and I am sure they will sell a lot of them, however the bins are
extremely small.


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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:32 am

Quoting Swissy (Reply 25):
had a chance to talk to some pilots at AC witch are flying the new EMBR and they gave them the name E180, push back, taxing and 180 back to the gate!!! hahaha

The biggest problem all of the Embraer 170/190 operators have had are flight crew induced issues for failure to follow power-up procedures.
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RE: My First View On JetBlue's E190

Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:27 pm

Ok Ladies and Gentlemen...

I finally did Bin 2 (aft) tonight.. The door is small as hell.. and hard for a big guy like me to fit into when the belt loaders is aligned with the bottom of it.. so I dropped the loader down and "Sat-in". The first thing I did, was like JetSetSteve said, was hit my head on those damn cages.. I unloaded while sitting indian style.. and still had enough room to pick bags and toss them on the belt loader. The padding on the floors is horrible.. you cannot slide bags.. so rather than having the standard two people in the bin, you're going to need 3 in this one. It wasn't as bad as I thought.. but the cages proctecting the fire system need to be redone.. because I hit my head on it atleast 5 times.. and it hurt like a bitch...
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