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LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:54 am

Does anybody know if the LHR spectator Gallary will ever open again? Such a shame, Brill place to go. The only other good place i have found is top of car park but u get chased regularly from the police, starting to fell like a fugitive ...........
 
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Vasu
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:57 am

This topic's been posted many times before...

basically, BAA can't be bothered to do anything as regards viewing at LHR, and the spectator gallery will never (by the looks of it) reopen

Sad, but that's the way it looks  Sad
 
cgagn
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:36 am

Funny, I've spent many afternoons on the top floor of the car park along with, at times, dozens of other spotters and have never had any trouble from the police.

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HS748
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting Cgagn (Reply 2):
Funny, I've spent many afternoons on the top floor of the car park along with, at times, dozens of other spotters and have never had any trouble from the police.

You've been extremely lucky. Spotting from the car parks is strictly forbidden and there are plenty of signs to say so. It's people like you, who flout these rules, that give all spotters a bad name.
 
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 3):
It's people like you, who flout these rules, that give all spotters a bad name.

Now unless he's stood up there with a replica firearm or rocket launcher then, I doubt very much if he's given anyone a bad name!

If the signs say no and you do and don't get caught, how does this give anything a bad name, just chill a little!!

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Maybe one day when BAA see's fit they'll re-open the viewing area, unfortunately we live in a world where a simple area for enthusiasts/general public to view the aircraft could possibly be used for other more sinister purposes, it's deemed a security risk to allow this to remain open!

One day when we all decide it's easier to get along, maybe us normal folk can return to doing normal things! Who Knows!??
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 4):
Maybe one day when BAA see's fit they'll re-open the viewing area, unfortunately we live in a world where a simple area for enthusiasts/general public to view the aircraft could possibly be used for other more sinister purposes, it's deemed a security risk to allow this to remain open!

If the plans for 'Heathrow East' go ahead, it'll be gone anyway...
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Airplanepics
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:40 am

BAA are technically providing (a very poor) spectators area, where you can go and 'spot' the movements. The Visitors Center along the perimeter.

Yes, we all know that the center is rubbish for viewing and photography, but will BAA listen?

The car parks are very hit and miss, I've been up there for 3 or so hours before getting moved on - I know people who have been moved on after just a few minutes. It's pure luck.

BAA aren't people who like to spend money on things that won't make a profit.

If they stopped and thought about it, they could potentially make some money out of it. They could hire a security guard, and get people to scan their bags before entering the gallery - they could even use one of there old airport scanners to save money!

In return, they could charge maybe £3-4 a day to go and watch/photograph the movements. If they looked at other main European airports such as Schiphol and Frankfurt Main - they can see that a successful area can be set up without the security risks.

Regards,

Simon Nicholls
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Spruit
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 6):
If they stopped and thought about it, they could potentially make some money out of it. They could hire a security guard, and get people to scan their bags before entering the gallery - they could even use one of there old airport scanners to save money!

Couldn't agree more, fantastic idea!

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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
BAA can't be bothered to do anything as regards viewing at LHR, and the spectator gallery will never (by the looks of it) reopen

Well knowing BAA's obsession with turning every spare foot into retail units from which they can earn rent and commissions, perhaps one day they might realise that they could open a mall dedicated for spectators with the usual Starbucks, WH Smith, Dixons, Burger King, Boots, Next, Tie Rack plus a few shops selling airline memorablia and leave about 3 metres for viewing and photography!


Quoting Cgagn (Reply 2):
I've spent many afternoons on the top floor of the car park along with, at times, dozens of other spotters and have never had any trouble from the police.

You are lucky. With the CCTVs up there, any spectator would normally attract the attention of the security guards quicker than you could blink!
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HS748
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 4):
If the signs say no and you do and don't get caught, how does this give anything a bad name, just chill a little!!

What an infantile comment.
 
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 9):
What an infantile comment.

Unfortunately the only one posting infantile comments here is you! If someone has a spotting place they use which they have been allowed to use and never moved on from, why does that allow you to tar them all with the same brush??

Quoting HS748 (Reply 3):
It's people like you, who flout these rules, that give all spotters a bad name

What exactly has been done here to give all spotters a bad name?? For infantile comments take a look at your own posts!
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting HS748 (Reply 3):
You've been extremely lucky. Spotting from the car parks is strictly forbidden and there are plenty of signs to say so. It's people like you, who flout these rules, that give all spotters a bad name.



Quoting HS748 (Reply 9):
What an infantile comment.

I'd say that the reason HS748 is so bitter is because he has tried spotting on the car park many times and has always been moved on every time!  rotfl 

And just for the record, I have been up there many times and not been moved on by security once. - One time, there was even security up there, and they didn't even bother us!

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HS748
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:01 pm

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 11):
I'd say that the reason HS748 is so bitter is because he has tried spotting on the car park many times and has always been moved on every time!

I wouldn't be seen dead spotting - itself a very infantile activity.
 
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting HS748 (Reply 12):
I wouldn't be seen dead spotting - itself a very infantile activity

You wanna calm down mate. Whats it to do with you what people choose to. This topic started off about Viewing at LHR , so if someone wants to view on top of the car park then what the hell has it got to do with you.
 
Spruit
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:26 pm

Okay, Ignoring the "infantile" postings, seeing how LHR is so poor for spotting places, which is the best airport in the UK to spot at and why!?

Worth while bringing this back on topic?!

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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:38 pm

Quoting Spruit (Reply 14):
Okay, Ignoring the "infantile" postings, seeing how LHR is so poor for spotting places, which is the best airport in the UK to spot at and why!?

Once place - Manchester!
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Spruit
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 15):
Once place - Manchester!

Is that the pub garden at the end of the runway?
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Airplanepics
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting Spruit (Reply 16):
Is that the pub garden at the end of the runway?

Yes, not to mention the official viewing area right next to the runway. Also, another official area on top of a car park.
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Spruit
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 17):
official viewing area right next to the runway

See, now I don't understand why Manchester has an official viewing area and somewhere like LHR doesn't!?

Would be nice to get an explanation from BAA?
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting Spruit (Reply 18):

See, now I don't understand why Manchester has an official viewing area and somewhere like LHR doesn't!?

One company...BAA!
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:12 pm

BAA (humbug!)

I did 3 weekend spotting trips to LHR this year and from my experiences through the years prior to 9/11, it is certainly sub-standard. The poor wee fella that ran the aviation shop on top of T2 is now relagated to a small spot on the 2nd floor of the visitor centre. If the traffic is using 9R & L, the visitors area is USELESS!!!
 
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:08 am

I've just come back from a days spotting at LHR, and by far the best place to spot IMHO is by Hatton cross station. Just walk into the car park beside it, and walk onto the foot path next ot the car entrance, and walk up until you get to the landing light by the fence, it's a great place when there's landings there, as you get the planes only about 20ft above you  Smile And then you can easily catch a bus to the visitors center, the terminals and some other places out side of the airport if you want to .
And remember, all bus journeys within the airport are free.

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aeronick
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:43 am

I agree. Hatton Cross is great for viewing. Walking along a bit from the underground station it is possible to stand at the end of the runway. If they are landing to the right it's great.
 
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 21):
I've just come back from a days spotting at LHR, and by far the best place to spot IMHO is by Hatton cross station. Just walk into the car park beside it, and walk onto the foot path next ot the car entrance, and walk up until you get to the landing light by the fence, it's a great place when there's landings there, as you get the planes only about 20ft above you Smile And then you can easily catch a bus to the visitors center, the terminals and some other places out side of the airport if you want to .
And remember, all bus journeys within the airport are free



Quoting Aeronick (Reply 22):
gree. Hatton Cross is great for viewing. Walking along a bit from the underground station it is possible to stand at the end of the runway. If they are landing to the rig

agree with both of you  thumbsup .....here are a couple of photos I took right off of the Hatton Cross Station..... biggrin 


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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:48 am

Is MAN not run by the fine chaps that run LHR??? I mean after all we have BAA in the US running some of our airports. I have always like Hatton X as a backup spotting area now that terrace on top of the Queens building has been closed. Does LGW still have the terrace or is that now closed as well??? Just wondering for a future trip across the pond.


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cgagn
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:02 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 3):
It's people like you, who flout these rules, that give all spotters a bad name.

Wow! I didn't realise I'd be ripped apart for spending a few afternoons at the car park. The car park I'm talking about is the short stay car park at T2. Yes, there are signs that say no plane watching, move along, bla bla bla, but they're the same signs that are up in most car parks and areas where plane viewing is possible, such as the AVIS lot in Vancouver, but that doesn't stop anyone. At the AVIS lot, security has stopped by now and then to make sure we're all behaving, but they never ask us to leave. I always plan a nice layover in LHR, so I can spend some time up their, and I don't make any trouble. I just stand at the edge watching the planes and minding my own business, visiting with the other spotters, and the police don't seem to mind. Maybe it's luck, or maybe they see we are not dangerous. I'm sure their watching us, but so far we haven't been worth moving on.
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:52 am

After the spectators gallery was closed, most LHR locals and spotters moved to Hatton Cross and Myrtle Avenue. And right now Hatton X and Myrtle Avenue is simply the best option for anyone wanting to go spotting. As someone said already, BAA are unlikely to accomodate for anyone unless they are going to rake in cash from it. It's a shame the gallery on T2 was closed, it used to be absolutely packed on weekends, and even more busy when the weather was good.
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:22 am

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 26):
It's a shame the gallery on T2 was closed, it used to be absolutely packed on weekends, and even more busy when the weather was good.

Yes I agree and miss it and in ideal world I would to see it replaced.
 
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):
Is MAN not run by the fine chaps that run LHR???

MAN isnt run by the 'wonderful' BAA, thats why the spotting facilities are amazing. I think its a great idea to charge people to use the top of a car park or the old T2 area. It's not like it wont get used. I think the current spotting situation at LHR is turning spotters away from coming. Who can blame them when there are great places to spot, for example MAN or FRA?

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):
Does LGW still have the terrace or is that now closed as well???

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Guess what.......its closed!!!

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FutureFO
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RE: LHR Spectator Gallary?

Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:03 am

Not a big suprise that the terrace at LGW is also closed. I had only been up there once and kinda liked it. Get all the local traffic pretty much, but in the US you get the Internationals except for a few that use LGW from other parts of the world. Nice little foodshop up there as well. Oh well I guess MAN and FRA and AMS will get more of my visits.


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