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New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:29 am

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...051128.wjazz1128/BNStory/Business/

"ACE has signed a memorandum of understanding with US Airways Group Inc. to have Jazz operate some flights on behalf of the U.S. airline over the next five years."

Presumably transborders, but who knows how Open Skies will have progressed by then. Cabotage?
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:32 am

Interesting. Will they be flying out of PHX, LAS, CLT, PHL, or possibly some other northeast city, or all 4?
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:34 am

Will the CRJ705 play a key role here, as HP/US Express already have the CRJ900 in the system?
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Will the CRJ705 play a key role here, as HP/US Express already have the CRJ900 in the system?

US Express already has PSA flying CRJ700s flying for them so it'd be nothing new.

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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:37 am

This is nothing new and was part of the investment agreement relating to the US/HP merger. It would only involve transborder flights. AFAIK, as US's business plan dictates additional flying/routes, Jazz has first right of refusal on the business.
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 3):

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Will the CRJ705 play a key role here, as HP/US Express already have the CRJ900 in the system?

US Express already has PSA flying CRJ700s flying for them so it'd be nothing new.

The CRJ705 is the same size as the CRJ900 but configured for premium passengers. The CRJ700 is smaller
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 4):
This is nothing new and was part of the investment agreement relating to the US/HP merger.

That's correct, this is nothing new, though people seem to rediscover it every few weeks.  Wink

There is a bit more detail out now. Not much, but a bit.

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 4):
It would only involve transborder flights. AFAIK, as US's business plan dictates additional flying/routes, Jazz has first right of refusal on the business.

Jazz gets first shot at any new 70- or 90-seat transborder routes. US can add 50-seat transborder flying (or smaller) with its existing Express carriers. US could, of course, offer flying to Jazz beyond what they're contractually obligated to. The Jazz-operated flights would operate as US Airways Express, in the US Airways Express livery.

Also, sort of on topic and because I didn't feel like creating a new one, I came across a document giving a few more specifics into the US/AC ground-handling situation. US/HP will be handled by AC at all Canadian airports at which they outsource that function; they will continue to handle their own operations at airports where they do so. (US handles itself at YYZ and YUL, and PSA handles US at YOW; I'm unsure of the status of the western airports served by HP--those would likely be the ones AC would take over, along with any new stations.) US will be handling AC at most U.S. airports where AC does not handle itself, leaving only a few handled by UA, primarily at UA hubs or cities where US does not have any extra space to spare. Even at many U.S. airports where AC has its own personnel, they will be moving in with US and away from UA. A specific list of airports where US will be leasing dedicated gates to AC are PHX (2 gates), BOS (2 gates), LGA (2 gates with jetways, plus 1 non-jetway gate), LAS (1 gate), MIA (shared space in new Star terminal), FLL (2 gates), DCA (1 gate if UA kicks AC out of their current gate).
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:44 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
The Jazz-operated flights would operate as US Airways Express, in the US Airways Express livery

Now that is very surprising! It will be interesting to watch things unfold when further details of the AC/US relationship get released in the new year.
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:44 pm

I wonder who will staff the ground personnel for US Airways Express at the various hubs and outstations
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 8):
I wonder who will staff the ground personnel for US Airways Express at the various hubs and outstations

What do you mean?
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:56 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 9):
What do you mean?

I wonder if the mainline employees will handle all express flights in all of the hubs and outstations. I know that MESA for example handles all of their flights in PHX and most express outstations.
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:19 pm

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 10):
I wonder if the mainline employees will handle all express flights in all of the hubs and outstations.

OK, I thought that's probably what you meant, I just was a little confused since it didn't seem to have anything to do with Air Canada.  

In any event, things won't change from how they are right now.

There are currently I believe 7 stations on the East side where mainline handles their own flights and Express handles their own flights. Express flights at CLT/PHL/LGA/DCA/BOS are handled by Piedmont, PIT is handled by PSA, and Air Midwest handles their flights at MCI. There were others in the past, like BWI and TPA, but they no longer have the volume of Express flights that made it necessary.

On the inside at the gate/ATO, all other stations are handled by either mainline or Express. If they've got any mainline, or have had any mainline in the last few years, then all flights are handled by mainline. (There was/is a lower-paying Mainline Express classification for former mainline stations that now only have 0-2 mainline flights, but that's being abolished by the recent US-CWA/IBT transition agreement.) If it's an all-Express station and has been so for a while, then it's handled by Express, either Piedmont, PSA, Mesa/Air Midwest, or Colgan, depending on the station.

Outside on the ramp, it's slightly more complicated, as the IAM-F didn't get nearly as good scope as the CWA did in the last few rounds of concessions. Stations that have been traditionally Express for many years are handled by one of the Express carriers, either Piedmont, PSA, Mesa/Air Midwest, or Colgan, depending on the station. Stations that have over about 8 daily mainline flights are handled by mainline. Stations that fall in between were all recently outsourced; a number were outsourced to Piedmont or PSA, but a number were outsourced to other airlines or third-party contractors.

Oh, and when a particular station is outsourced to an Express operator, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with which Express operator(s) actually fly there. Also, at many of the Express stations where the Express carrier handles both the gate/ATO and the ramp, agents are cross-utilized and work both inside and outside.

As for the West side, I'm not as up on things there, but for the most part, they should be similar. At the hubs, HP handles themselves and Mesa handles themselves. Mesa also handles most of the Express-only outstations. HP has traditionally outsourced most of its smaller East outstations, but US is now performing most of that work.

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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:23 pm

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 10):
I know that MESA for example handles all of their flights in PHX and most express outstations.



Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
At the hubs, HP handles themselves and Mesa handles themselves. Mesa also handles most of the Express-only outstations.

I was at training for HP with rampers who had been hired for TUS and COS. These were not Mesa employees. Aren't those Express-only stations?
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:27 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 12):
I was at training for HP with rampers who had been hired for TUS and COS. These were not Mesa employees. Aren't those Express-only stations?

Yes. I said that Mesa handles *most* of the Express-only outstations. There are exceptions, particularly at stations like the two you mentioned that were previously served by mainline.
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
Also, sort of on topic and because I didn't feel like creating a new one, I came across a document giving a few more specifics into the US/AC ground-handling situation. US/HP will be handled by AC at all Canadian airports at which they outsource that function; they will continue to handle their own operations at airports where they do so. (US handles itself at YYZ and YUL, and PSA handles US at YOW; I'm unsure of the status of the western airports served by HP--those would likely be the ones AC would take over, along with any new stations.) US will be handling AC at most U.S. airports where AC does not handle itself, leaving only a few handled by UA, primarily at UA hubs or cities where US does not have any extra space to spare. Even at many U.S. airports where AC has its own personnel, they will be moving in with US and away from UA. A specific list of airports where US will be leasing dedicated gates to AC are PHX (2 gates), BOS (2 gates), LGA (2 gates with jetways, plus 1 non-jetway gate), LAS (1 gate), MIA (shared space in new Star terminal), FLL (2 gates), DCA (1 gate if UA kicks AC out of their current gate).

At YYC HP is currently handled by Globe Ground. As an AC ramper, I'm glad to hear we're picking up more business. You didn't happen to know when the change over would take place?

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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 14):
You didn't happen to know when the change over would take place?

Nope, sorry. It said it'll be within 30 days of when they get around to announcing this stuff, but that's not much help.
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:37 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
Also, sort of on topic and because I didn't feel like creating a new one, I came across a document giving a few more specifics into the US/AC ground-handling situation. US/HP will be handled by AC at all Canadian airports at which they outsource that function; they will continue to handle their own operations at airports where they do so. (US handles itself at YYZ and YUL, and PSA handles US at YOW; I'm unsure of the status of the western airports served by HP--those would likely be the ones AC would take over, along with any new stations.) US will be handling AC at most U.S. airports where AC does not handle itself, leaving only a few handled by UA, primarily at UA hubs or cities where US does not have any extra space to spare. Even at many U.S. airports where AC has its own personnel, they will be moving in with US and away from UA. A specific list of airports where US will be leasing dedicated gates to AC are PHX (2 gates), BOS (2 gates), LGA (2 gates with jetways, plus 1 non-jetway gate), LAS (1 gate), MIA (shared space in new Star terminal), FLL (2 gates), DCA (1 gate if UA kicks AC out of their current gate).

Thanks 330, in PVD AC is handled by UA currently, soes this mean they will be handled by US inb the future. It's only 2 or 3 BE1 flights, so I'm sure US has the room here...
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 16):
Thanks 330, in PVD AC is handled by UA currently, does this mean they will be handled by US inb the future. It's only 2 or 3 BE1 flights, so I'm sure US has the room here...

This brings up something I have wondered about. Does the US/Jazz deal include Air Georgian? They operate B1900Ds in Air Alliance c/s using Jazz flight numbers but 'Georgian' as their call sign. These are mostly trans-border flights.
 
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RE: New USAirways Regional: AC Jazz

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 16):
Thanks 330, in PVD AC is handled by UA currently, soes this mean they will be handled by US inb the future. It's only 2 or 3 BE1 flights, so I'm sure US has the room here...

I don't have a list of airports beyond the places where AC will be getting dedicated gates, which I posted above. I doubt even US/AC have a final list made up yet. That being said, US will be handling AC at most places, and I'd guess PVD would probably be among them.

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 17):
This brings up something I have wondered about. Does the US/Jazz deal include Air Georgian? They operate B1900Ds in Air Alliance c/s using Jazz flight numbers but 'Georgian' as their call sign. These are mostly trans-border flights.

I'm just speculating, but I doubt that US will put its US* code on the Air Georgian flights, because the regulatory hassle would probably be more trouble than it's worth. However, the AC* code will likely be on the domestic US flights at Air Georgian destinations, so one should be able to book an online connecting itinerary using the AC/AC* codes. That's just my hunch, though. That's just for the codeshare aspect, though; I do suspect US will be handling Air Georgian flights at a number of airports.
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