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Airlines Who Flew DC-10/L-1011 Together Profitably

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:37 am

British Airways comes to mind (even though i'm not sure if it was successful) but are there any other big name carriers who operated both the L-1011 and DC-10 in tandem successfully without running into compatablity issues. It seems that most airlines opted for one or the other. PAN AM got rid of their DC-10s aquired from the National takeover rather quickly. The same for Delta and United got rid of their TriStars aquired from the buyout of United's pacific operations. Eastern Air Lines operated DC-10s as well for a period of time but I don't know how long.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting NW727251ADV (Thread starter):
Eastern Air Lines operated DC-10s as well for a period of time but I don't know how long

This is news to me. I flew an L-1011 as late as 87 or 88 and I don't recall ever seeing a DC-10 in Eastern colors. But, I have been wrong before.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 1):
I flew an L-1011 as late as 87 or 88 and I don't recall ever seeing a DC-10 in Eastern colors.


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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:54 am

If you consider the MD-11 really nothing more than modernized DC-10....Delta then had two separate ocassions of operating both types.

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:00 am

Actually DL operated the DC-10's twice. The first time was in the 1970's while waiting on the L-1011 and again around 1986 after the merger with Western Airlines.

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:01 am

I believe Eastern flew 3 DC-10-30s for a period of time for their London services out of MIA. This was in addition to their L-1011 fleet.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting NW727251ADV (Thread starter):
Eastern Air Lines operated DC-10s as well for a period of time but I don't know how long.

Here are the EA DC-10-30s details:

N390EA 47862/88 15/01/1986 - 08/10/1986
N391EA 47866/149 27/06/1985 - 20/09/1990
N392EA 47867/178 29/11/1985 - 27/09/1990

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:05 am

If the MD11 counts LTU of Germany is another airline that had both types.

Next one in Europe, BA after tghe BCAL take over,
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
All were previous AZ aircraft

Really I never knew those DC-10s were from Alitalia. You learn something new everyday. Thanks for the info. Does anyone if Eastern was happy with the 10s???

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
All were previous AZ aircraft

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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 3):
If you consider the MD-11 really nothing more than modernized DC-10....Delta then had two separate ocassions of operating both types.

Actually three times. Once in the mid 70's when they leased several DC-10's while waiting for delivery of their first L-1011's. The second time was when they inherited DC-10's from the Western merger. If you count the MD-11, then that would be a third time.  Smile

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 1):
I don't recall ever seeing a DC-10 in Eastern colors.

IIRC, Eastern had a couple DC-10-30's in the mid 80's that were used exclusively on the MIA-LON route.  Smile

UA had both types after UA bought PA pacific operations. UA did not operate the L-1011 for too long. Most of them went to DL.

I don't think any U.S. carrier could operate both types side-by-side profitably. It is way too expensive to operate two similar types and keeping two different sets of pilots, parts, training, etc.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:15 am

Eastern Air Lines used the DC10-30's on:

MIA to London Gatwick
MIA to Buenos Aries
MIA to Rio

For the most part .


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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:27 am

Caledonian Airways operated both types after they were sold by BA in mid 1990's (I've Googled it and got 1993/1994 and 1995 - not sure what year). Whether they were profitable or not I'm not sure, but they continued to operate L1011's and DC10's until the big Thomas Cook/jmc shakeup in 1999. Unfortunately by then the fleets weren't all that reliable and their reputation wasn't the best. Thomas Cook/jmc retired all the L1011's but retained 2 DC10s until their newly ordered A330's arrived.


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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 10):
UA had both types after UA bought PA pacific operations. UA did not operate the L-1011 for too long.

UA L1011 fleet:

L1011-500 N501PA 501 1176 10/02/1986 10/05/1988
L1011-500 N510PA 510 1194 11/02/1986 24/06/1988
L1011-500 N511PA 511 1195 12/02/1986 13/04/1989
L1011-500 N512PA 512 1197 11/02/1986 23/05/1989
L1011-500 N513PA 513 1208 10/02/1986 18/05/1988
L1011-500 N514PA 514 1210 12/02/1986 03/05/1988

Quoting NW727251ADV (Thread starter):
PAN AM got rid of their DC-10s aquired from the National takeover rather quickly.

Here are the details.

DC-10-10 N60NA 46700/14 07/01/1980 23/01/1984 "Clipper Meteor"
DC-10-10 N61NA 46701/16 07/01/1980 14/06/1984 "Clipper Evening Star"
DC-10-10 N62NA 46702/18 07/01/1980 13/05/1984 "Clipper Morning Star"
DC-10-10 N63NA 46703/19 07/01/1980 19/05/1984 "Clipper Eclipse"
DC-10-10 N64NA 46706/38 07/01/1980 05/02/1984 "Clipper Shooting Star"
DC-10-10 N65NA 46707/61 07/01/1980 23/06/1984 "Clipper National Eagle"
DC-10-10 N66NA 46708/62 07/01/1980 21/07/1984 "Clipper Sirius"
DC-10-10 N67NA 46709/68 07/01/1980 03/11/1983 "Clipper Star of Hope"
DC-10-10 N68NA 46710/70 07/01/1980 31/10/1983 "Clipper Star of Gazer"
DC-10-10 N69NA 46942/162 07/01/1980 24/11/1983 "Clipper Star Light"
DC-10-10 N70NA 46943/163 07/01/1980 19/07/1984 "Clipper Star King"
DC-10-30 N80NA 46711/105 07/01/1980 23/02/1984 "Clipper Star of the Union"
DC-10-30 N81NA 46712/106 07/01/1980 14/03/1984 "Clipper Atmosphere" - lst LAN-Chile as CC-CJN 12/06/1981-12/06/1982.
DC-10-30 N82AA 46713/165 07/01/1980 01/04/1984 "Clipper Aurora"
DC-10-30 N83NA 46714/167 07/01/1980 18/04/1984 "Clipper Celestial Empire"
DC-10-30 N84NA 47837/328 06/08/1980 28/04/1985

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RE: Airlines Who Flew DC-10/L-1011 Together Profitably

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:35 am

What routes did Pan Am operate the DC10s on and what routes did United operate the L15s on? I know Pan Am ran the DC10s on some Houston routes (IAH-MSY for one) as did National when they had their minihub set up here.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:38 am

Pan Am L1011-500 details:


N501PA 501 1176 02/07/1981 09/02/1986 "Clipper Eagle"
N503PA 503 1177 05/08/1980 26/03/1985 "Clipper Flying Eagle"
N504PA 504 1181 11/04/1980 19/09/1984 "Clipper National Eagle"
N505PA 505 1184 23/05/1980 07/01/1985 "Cliper Eagle Wing"
N507PA 507 1185 06/06/1980 28/01/1985 "Clipper Nothern Light"
N508PA 508 1186 27/06/1980 12/11/1984 "Clipper Bald Eagle"
N509PA 509 1188 15/07/1980 03/12/1984 "Clipper Golden Eagle"
N510PA 510 1194 15/04/1981 10/02/1986 "Clipper Geaorge T Baker"
N511PA 511 1195 13/03/1981 11/02/1986 "Clipper Black Hawk"
N512PA 512 1197 30/11/1981 10/02/1986 "Clipper War Hawk"
N513PA 513 1208 27/05/1981 09/02/1986 "Clipper Wild Duck"
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RE: Airlines Who Flew DC-10/L-1011 Together Profitably

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:51 am

Thanks for the info. I remembered Caledonian Airways but I didn't include them in my list of "majors".
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
What routes did Pan Am operate the DC10s on

Here are some cities served: LAX/MIA/IAH/JFK/FRA/ORD/LHR/SFO. There should certainly be some other.


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Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:56 am

American Trans Air (TZ) operated both the L-1011 and the DC-10.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:03 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 17):
Here are some cities served: LAX/MIA/IAH/JFK/FRA/ORD/LHR/SFO. There should certainly be some other.

PA also used the D10 on MIA-EWR (continuing to run National flight 8, but under a different flight #) until downgrading it to 727-200 and then dropping it completely.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:10 pm

I might be able to help you in the case of Eastern.

Originally, Eastern searched for L1011-500's for the MIA-LGW route, but could not come up with any. The only long range equipment available at the time were the three Alitalia DC-10-30's. Eastern had a pretty fast deadline to get the route started so they more or less settled for the DC-10's.

I have an article from "Aviation Week & Space Technology" published in the late 1980's that discusses how Eastern was looking for more DC-10's to replace the L1011's. Apparently, the L1011's were becoming more and more expensive to maintain due to the lack of parts. This was because Lockheed had abandoned the commercial aircraft sector in 1983.

So to answer the question, at first Eastern would have rather had L1011's instead of the DC-10's for commonality, but after they picked up a few DC-10's and slowly pulled the L1011's out of service, they found that DC-10's were more profitable to operate due to the availability of parts. By the time they figured this out, Eastern was having major financial difficulties and Texas Air sort of threw their hands up in the air and transferred the small DC-10 fleet to Continental. This was a short-term solution to long-term problems.

Again, the Eastern L1011's were unprofitable so they started to leave the fleet as well. By the time the company closed for good, only twelve L1011's remained in the fleet; all either grounded or being used for troop movement in the Middle East. According to the February 1991 OAG, the only scheduled Eastern L1011 service that would have remained would have been ATL-SJU on weekends only.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:29 pm

Eastern did fly the DC-10 from Miami to Buenos Aires, I remember booking it in reservations. It even had "J" class listed which was business section.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:40 pm

That is really interesting indeed Cody. I never stopped to think about what airlines operating TriStars did after Lockheed pretty much said "screw the commercial airline business". Its still funny though because other airlines didnt seem to run into that problem. Didn't Delta take most of the Eastern TriStars??? Or was that Cathay Pacific? Well it was one of them.

Off topic but I HATE the American Airlines bare-metal livery but something about Eastern's...I just love it! I love Eastern's bare-metal color scheme. It might also have something to do with the fact that blue is my favorite color and EA used blue tones for their cheatline.
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:58 pm

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12):
Caledonian Airways operated both types after they were sold by BA in mid 1990's (I've Googled it and got 1993/1994 and 1995 - not sure what year). Whether they were profitable or not I'm not sure, but they continued to operate L1011's and DC10's until the big Thomas Cook/jmc shakeup in 1999. Unfortunately by then the fleets weren't all that reliable and their reputation wasn't the best. Thomas Cook/jmc retired all the L1011's but retained 2 DC10s until their newly ordered A330's arrived.

IIRC they ordered MD-11's..with RR engines!!!
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:04 pm

I can only speculate, but Delta had a much larger L1011 fleet than Eastern so perhaps they had better Lockheed in-house engineering. Eastern L1011's were scattered, but most ended up at Delta or Cathay Pacific. One of them, N308EA, ironically the last EAL L1011 I ever flew on, is now being used in the show "Lost."

Eastern DC-10's did indeed have three classes of service. The DC-10's were used from MIA-LGW, Buenos Aires/Santiago, LAX, JFK and substitution flights. They also did Military charters and I think they provided lift for the "Business Break" Award flights from ATL-Hawaii. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 23):
IIRC they ordered MD-11's..with RR engines!!!

You dont recall correctly. You're thinking of BRITISH CALEDONIAN AIRWAYS, or B-CAL, as it was affectionately known. Totally different airline which operated head-to-head with British Airways. It was sort of the Virgin Atlantic of its day. Caledonian Airlines is a totally different airline that was primarily in the charter business in the 90s. They flew DC-10s and L-1011s. British Caledonian flew DC-10s I believe and the 747 too???
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:43 pm

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 25):
British Caledonian flew DC-10s I believe and the 747 too???

Correct. BCAL also operated a few GE-powered B742, which left the BA fleet shortly after the takeover because of a lack of commonality with BA's fleet of 747 Classics.
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting Cody (Reply 24):
They also did Military charters and I think they provided lift for the "Business Break" Award flights from ATL-Hawaii. Can anyone confirm this?

The L-1011 was used on the flight to HNL. ATL LAX HNL.

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Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:06 pm

I think by including the MD-11 in this comparison it defeats the poster's purpose (my opinion). The DC-10 and L1011 were around the same time and were direct competitors. The MD-11 was not a direct competitor but a replacement of these types, and also came much later thatn the DC-10 or L1011. That's why I see it pointless to put the aircraft in the mix.
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 25):
You dont recall correctly. You're thinking of BRITISH CALEDONIAN AIRWAYS, or B-CAL, as it was affectionately known. Totally different airline which operated head-to-head with British Airways. It was sort of the Virgin Atlantic of its day. Caledonian Airlines is a totally different airline that was primarily in the charter business in the 90s. They flew DC-10s and L-1011s. British Caledonian flew DC-10s I believe and the 747 too???

Thats what meant, (BCAL) sorry I should have mentioned it.
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:49 am

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 27):
The L-1011 was used on the flight to HNL. ATL LAX HNL.

I asked about the "Business Break" flights about five years ago, and someone who actually took one of the flights replied that the flights were operated by CO on one of their DC-10's.

Quoting Cody (Reply 24):
can only speculate, but Delta had a much larger L1011 fleet than Eastern so perhaps they had better Lockheed in-house engineering.


Oddly enough, Lockheed would occasionally come to DL with engineering issues after they stopped producing the L-1011. We used to have an army of engineers to support that aircraft.
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting Dl_mech (Reply 30):
I asked about the "Business Break" flights about five years ago, and someone who actually took one of the flights replied that the flights were operated by CO on one of their DC-10's.

CO did do some towards the end. But, for the most part Eastern flew them themselves with the L-1011.

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Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:10 am

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 28):
I think by including the MD-11 in this comparison it defeats the poster's purpose (my opinion). The DC-10 and L1011 were around the same time and were direct competitors. The MD-11 was not a direct competitor but a replacement of these types, and also came much later thatn the DC-10 or L1011. That's why I see it pointless to put the aircraft in the mix.

I agree for the most part. Not too many airlines were operating DC-10s/MD-11s or L-1011/MD-11 combinations. DL is the only airline that comes to mind when they were flying MD-11s along with their L-10s.

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Thats what meant, (BCAL) sorry I should have mentioned it.

Its no problem. I hope I didn't come off as rude and if I did my apologies as well. We all make small mistakes  Smile
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:41 am

"I agree for the most part. Not too many airlines were operating DC-10s/MD-11s or L-1011/MD-11 combinations. DL is the only airline that comes to mind when they were flying MD-11s along with their L-10s."

How about Finnair, LTU, A^A, JAL, Swissair, Varig, Garuda, and Thai (not to mention FedEx)?

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Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:12 am

Part of the big problem EA had after the machinists' strike was that they machined their own L10 parts in-house - something the replacement workers were unable to do, making getting spares much more difficult and expensive.

Interesting fact - DL bought some EA L-1011s in the Chapter 7 liquidation, the DL mechanics going over one of the L-1011's found a few kilos of cocaine stashed behind a panel in the avionics bay that had been forgotten, apparently by some enterprising drug smugglers who used EA rampers to get their "product" in from South America.
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:58 am

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 25):
I believe and the 747 too???


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Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:14 am

Thanks for the pic Jeffry747. I have a similar picture in one of my aviation books.
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:30 am

On a sidenote...I'm curious...regarding the photo just above...

What airline is DC-9 just above the BCAL 747, and just in front of the BCAL DC-10?
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting Cody (Reply 20):
Apparently, the L1011's were becoming more and more expensive to maintain due to the lack of parts. This was because Lockheed had abandoned the commercial aircraft sector in 1983.



Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 22):
That is really interesting indeed Cody. I never stopped to think about what airlines operating TriStars did after Lockheed pretty much said "screw the commercial airline business".

That's interesting that Lockheed abandoned the commerical aircraft sector in 1983. I worked in L-1011 product support for 20 years, right up to the day I retired in February 2002. If fact the Lockheed Martin L-1011 Product Support Center is still open for business to this day and will remain open as long as one L-1011 is still flying.

Quoting Dl_mech (Reply 30):
Oddly enough, Lockheed would occasionally come to DL with engineering issues after they stopped producing the L-1011. We used to have an army of engineers to support that aircraft.

Delta had a fine engineering staff that worked closely with Lockheed engineering. Lockheed always requested assistance from the L-1011 operators engineering staff's when there was a problem that required correction. We would hold conference calls with the airlines engineering staff to get their input prior to issuing a fix. Lockheed engineers would visit the operators facility for insure the repair was adequate or a test procedure worked. After all the airline were actually flying the plane and we would have been negligent if we did not use their expertise.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 34):
Part of the big problem EA had after the machinists' strike was that they machined their own L10 parts in-house - something the replacement workers were unable to do, making getting spares much more difficult and expensive.

If Eastern (or any other operator) needed a part that Lockheed could not provide Lockheed would authorize them to fabricate a spare, but the use of these in-house manufactured parts were limited to use on that airlines fleet only and had to be identified in such a way that it could not be mis-identified as a Lockheed manufactured part.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:43 pm

UA operated the L-1011-500 for a short time after purchasing Pan Am's Pacific assets back in 1986. Not sure about profitability, but probably during that time period.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:00 pm

Hawaiian operated both Tristars and DC-10s, although not simultaneously. I recall the swap-out was due to maintenance woes with the former.

Wasn't Eastern's choice of the DC-10-30 for transatlantic service more about range than reliability?
 
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Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 40):
Wasn't Eastern's choice of the DC-10-30 for transatlantic service more about range than reliability?

Yes, which is why they initially sought L-1011-500s for the role.
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The DC-10-30s had engine commonality with the A300 B4s, and I recall reading a Frank Borman interview saying that for this reason, getting a few DC-10s was not so strange.

But I want to bring up TWA. They must have been considered a likely airline to buy the L1011-500 in the late 70s, when they had many standard body L10s, and before the idea of transatlantic 767s was even conceived. Does anybody know the ins and outs of TW and the L10-500? Was it just a matter of having no money?

Also, I read a blurb that TWA was going to get some DC10-40s from NW in summer 1985, but that got axed when NW decided not to unload them. I guess the PW engines would have been attractive to TW.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:44 pm

Quoting Dl_mech (Reply 30):
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 27):
The L-1011 was used on the flight to HNL. ATL LAX HNL.

I asked about the "Business Break" flights about five years ago, and someone who actually took one of the flights replied that the flights were operated by CO on one of their DC-10's.

The "Business Break" flights for the most part were operated in house by Eastern Air Lines. They did infact use L 1011's. The routing was from ATL to LAX (for a fuel stop) and then on to HNL. I am not discounting what you said. I am only saying that Eastern Metal did operate the service as well.

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What airline is DC-9 just above the BCAL 747, and just in front of the BCAL DC-10?


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Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:21 am

I also read on this forum a few weeks back that apparently Continental had placed/were to place an order for the L-1011. I even recall reading that Lockheed had actually painted a TriStar in Continental colors but the order never came to fruition and CO never received the L-10. I also saw a brochure that CO had printed up that displayed an L-10 into meatball livery, showcasing the new TriStar. I forgot why the TriStar order never went through.
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:33 am

Didn't Eastern buy those 3 DC-10s from Air Florida??? I know Air Florida was flying them MIA-LGW in the 1980's, and I was sure Eastern took over that route and those planes after a short time. Can anyone confirm???
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting PennPal (Reply 46):
Didn't Eastern buy those 3 DC-10s from Air Florida??? I know Air Florida was flying them MIA-LGW in the 1980's, and I was sure Eastern took over that route and those planes after a short time. Can anyone confirm???

That couldn't be because Air Florida leased those DC-10s. I forgot from which airline and its right on the tip of my tongue. Anyways, it isn't possible, thats for sure because as I said, AF's DC-10s were leased from another airline. I believe the airline was a foreign carrier.
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 1):
This is news to me. I flew an L-1011 as late as 87 or 88 and I don't recall ever seeing a DC-10 in Eastern colors.

Eastern acquired a few DC10's when we started MIA-LGW. The aircraft were sent to South America and Los Angeles as well, but were acquired to serve the London route.
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 39):
That's interesting that Lockheed abandoned the commerical aircraft sector in 1983. I worked in L-1011 product support for 20 years, right up to the day I retired in February 2002. If fact the Lockheed Martin L-1011 Product Support Center is still open for business to this day and will remain open as long as one L-1011 is still flying.

Poor wording on my part. I should have said, "since Lockheed stopped production of the L1011 in 1983".

There were five Air Florida DC-10's. Three were leased from TransAmerica, one from Icelandic, and one from World. The World Airways was a short-term lease and the aircraft remained in full World colors with Air Florida titles. The other four DC-10's now fly for FedEx and were never with Eastern.

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