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ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:15 am

As a Chicago native born in the 80's, I have no memory of United's Terminal 1 at ORD before the rebuild to Helmut Jahn's beautiful B and C concourses.

What was the old T1 like, what airlines used it?

This is something I have tried to research for a long time and have come up with very little.

I seem to recall once seeing a picture of a TWA L1011 at the old Terminal 1 but that's it.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:58 am

The best that I can tell you is that T1 used to be the International Terminal. It was shaped similar to the T2-E/F and T2-H/K concourses at ORD. As such, it housed the customs/immigration function. Although T2 is connected to T3 by a rotunda, there was no such structure connecting T1 to T2 - only a glass enclosed hallway.

I never traveled in or out of that terminal, but I do vaguely remember seeing that the baggage claim area had a closed off section where arriving passengers went through customs and claimed their bags before coming through large sliding doors to the area where people could wait for people coming off the flights.

Perhaps the best you could do is go to T2 and walk around imagining that the baggage claim area was closed off. T3 has been modernized to the point that it wouldn't be a fair representation. IIRC, T2 is still kinda' old school - especially on the lower level.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:28 pm

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 1):

Perhaps the best you could do is go to T2 and walk around imagining that the baggage claim area was closed off. T3 has been modernized to the point that it wouldn't be a fair representation. IIRC, T2 is still kinda' old school - especially on the lower level.

With the new floors in the gate area and the new face of O'Hare out front, even T-2 is losing the "old-school" feel. Walking down to F14 and imagining a 744 or a DC-10 there is kind of weird, though... the best that gate manages these days is an OO CR7.
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:32 pm

Does anyone remember which concourse TWA operated at when they had a Hub/Focus city in the 80's? How many gates?
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:48 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 3):
Does anyone remember which concourse TWA operated at when they had a Hub/Focus city in the 80's? How many gates?

I know TWA operated out of the G concourse along with Air Canada. I do not know how many gates TWA had at their peak.
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:58 pm

Besides the old International Terminal, concourse D was also demolished to make room for T1. "D" was home for Eastern, Northwest, Continental, Braniff, Western, and also Midstate and Britt for a short time.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:15 pm

KDCA, here's a quick history via postcards of Terminal 1 and Concourse D.

Postcard1: Overview of Terminal 1. Condor B747 and NW DC10
http://leo.lunarpages.com/~airlin3/airliners.net/discussion_2462087_1.jpg

Postcard2: Terminal 1 on the left with Concourse D in the middle. The end of Concourse D is pretty much where the end of the new Concourse C is (Gate C1). That's a CO DC10 at the end of Concourse D on the left side.
http://leo.lunarpages.com/~airlin3/airliners.net/discussion_2462087_2.jpg

Postcard3: Concourse D South side.


Postcard4: Concourse D North side.


Postcard5: Looking north at Terminal 1. Note the construction of Concourse D in the foreground.


Postcard6: Customs hall at the International Building in Terminal 1


Postcard7: A view from the Concourse D control tower looking northwest with Northwest DC-7 and B720.


Postcard8: A view from the observation deck on Terminal 1 circa 1960.


Postcard9: ORD 1956. Compare Terminal 1 and the Control Tower to Postcard1. Interesting how the airport grew.


Postcard10: Terminal guide from 1975 United Services and Information Guide.
Parking rates sure have gone up!
http://leo.lunarpages.com/~airlin3/airliners.net/discussion_2462087_10.jpg

Hope this was useful.

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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:17 pm

se210 - great scans. I have a copy of a 1972 United service guide with all the old airport maps inside. Those things are definitely interesting.

Terminal 1 opened, as se210 said, in 1955. It was supposed to be the first phase of the new ORD terminal complex. Four identical terminals in a star pattern, each with a Y concourse, were going to be built around it. By the time the first phase was finished, however, aircraft were growing larger and the city revised the design to include two much larger terminals that could handle more jets.

From 1955 to 1959 Terminal 1 was used mostly by charter flights and some international flights (the rest used the old South Terminal at Midway, which is long gone today). Starting in 1959 all of Chicago's jet operations were handled at Terminal 1, and during 1959-1962 most of the major airlines had "split operations" at ORD and MDW.

In 1962, when Terminals 2 and 3 were finished, and all scheduled flights were transferred over from Midway. Terminal 1 was renovated into a dedicated international terminal, and was expanded to match the other two terminals and tie in with the two-level roadway system. The expansion included a new customs hall, although the original 1955 ticket counters were still used.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:52 am

 Wow! Wow! What a nostalgia trip! Back in the days of the 707 - when 747s flew in domestic service  bouncy  Those were the days when there were no security checkpoints to go through. I didn't realize that the area where L concourse sits used to be a parking lot.

The farthest back that I can remember is the 1970s. I have an old picture of me and one of my cousins standing in Terminal 3 in front of Concourse K on our way to DCA on an AA 727. I specifically remember that she started asking "Are we there yet?" as we taxied past T1 to 9L/27R for a westbound takeoff before heading back east. (An SAS jet was parked at the building - 747 or perhaps a DC-10) She kept on asking until my grandmother told her to be quiet. I also remember that we were served Salisbury steak, mashed potatoes, and green beans. Our relatives in DC were all waiting for us when we got there.

I always thought all three landside terminals were identical, but I see that they weren't. I also didn't realize that the walkway between 1 and 2 had gates, but that was probably long before I walked along that same passage trying to see T1.

On Postcard 4, what is the plane that's taxiing in the background?

Notice how the land west of the airport is completely undeveloped! Did Bensenville, Schaumburg, and Hoffman Estates even exist back then?

Wow!
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:10 am

Wow se210 those post cards are great. Thank you for sharing them, it's amazing to see how little the other terminals have changed with the exception of terminal 1 and the addition of concourse L to terminal 3.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:11 am

Concourses E,F,G,H, and K each had 12 gates, and TWA had 11 of the gates on G, with G-1 belonging to AC. During the 80s and 90s, TWA started to sublease gates to AA/AE as it moved its operations from ORD to STL.

The reason that Concourse D had 14 gates was that D-1 and D-2 were located on the connection between T1 and T2. Those too gates belonged to BN.

The interesting fact is that the day UA started operations in the new T1, it had already outgrown T1. If operations went perfectly, no delays or cancellations, the T1 was fine. But if flights were delayed and missed their banks, then the overflow had to go to T2.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:04 am

Wow!!!!

Even though at that time i wasn't born yet. I continue to learn something new about the airline and terminal since the opening of Orchard Place Airport which later changed name to Edward "Butch" O'Hare International Airport.


But im curious does anyone know about the past of Midway Airport such as old terminal/airlines. I would like that so i can learn something that i have not seen before.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:40 am

Here is a great web site of old airports and their history.
It is periodically being updated, you may want to save it.
http://oldterminals.topcities.com/
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:09 pm

FLYBOY,
The taxing A/C in postcard 4 looks like an Air France 707
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:21 pm

RE: FlyBoy84 Reply:8
On Postcard 4, what is the plane that's taxiing in the background?

It's an Air France B707. Here's a more detailed look:


A couple of more Terminal 1 / Concourse D postcards...

Postcard11: Looking east. The end of Concourse D. A great pace to spot aircraft.


Postcard12: Looking south east from Terminal 1. UA DC6B N37581.


Postcard13: Looking north east at Concourse D. Note the Braniff B707 and B727 tails above the EA L188.


se210...
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:50 pm

Se210, thank for sharing.
What are those buildings where the current int'l terminal is located? Cargo?

I remember there used to be an int'l terminal 5 on the first floor of the parking structure after T1 was demolished and before the current int'l terminal existed.
It was awesome to be bussed around ORD after arriving on a JL 747 flight and the JL flights left out of T3 L-concourse.
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:56 pm

Wish the parking rates remained the same.

$0.50 per 4 hours
$3.15 per day
$0.15 City Tax

Valet Parking $2.00 per day
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:04 pm

Quote: Carpethead Reply 15
What are those buildings where the current int'l terminal is located? Cargo?

Those were mainly cargo buildings (e.g. see top of Postcard 2).

se210...
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:07 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 12):
Here is a great web site of old airports and their history.
It is periodically being updated, you may want to save it.
http://oldterminals.topcities.com/

WDBRR,

Thank you very much for that information. I found something about Midway Airport. I would never forget the old terminal. Brought me tear and memory. Again Thanks!!!!!!!
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:43 am

Does anyone know who will handle the western terminal?? UA and AA will use it??
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:01 am

Thanx for the memories Se10. I've always suspected that Postcard #4 was a very well done artist's rendering because those 2 jetways at Gate D-12 where the CO 707 is departing are unlike anything I ever saw elsewhere at ORD, or anywhere else for that matter. Does anyone know whether that type of jetway was actually in use at that gate in the early sixties?

[Edited 2005-12-07 03:23:02]
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:10 pm

Leelaw...

Here's a closeup of the "telescopic" gate with a CO B720.

http://leo.lunarpages.com/~airlin3/airliners.net/discussion_2462087_14.jpg

Back of postcard reads:
A telescopic passenger loading facility shown in the extended position."

CO B720s went into service starting around May 1962 so that helps with the date.

Agree, they look like nothing else at ORD and seem restricted to just CO.

se210
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:32 pm

Thanx for solving my 33 year dilema, I have a portfolio of postcards from circa 1972 which only included the shot from Postcard #4.

Quoting Se210 (Reply 21):
Agree, they look like nothing else at ORD and seem restricted to just CO.

Actually, use of this type of Jetway seems limited to Gate D-12. Postcard #11 shows a more conventional Jetway in use at the other CO gate, D-11.
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:56 pm

Leelaw...

The postcard shot in Reply 21 (Postcard14) appears to be D-11 as it is facing Terminal 2. I looked a bit closer at Postcard11 (also Gate D-11) and it is a different gate as you pointed out, much like the "box" gates you see in Postcard3 and Postcard13. So these "round" telescopic gates appear at both Gates D-11 and D-12.

CO must of had these "round" telescopic gates for only a year or two! I wonder what the story is why they replaced them?

se210
 
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting Se210 (Reply 23):
CO must of had these "round" telescopic gates for only a year or two! I wonder what the story is why they replaced them

Perhaps they were experimental, and/or difficult to use. There's got to be some "jetway nerd" in this forum that knows the answer!  Smile

IIRC, by the late sixties D-11 and D-12 were the only gates on the domestic concourses where aircraft continued to be parked parallel to the concourse structure when jetways were used.

Additionally, look at Gate D-12 in Postcard #2, the CO DC-10 is parked at an angle to the concourse (ostensibly to conserve ramp space) and the jetway connects to the right side of the aircraft, that had to be somewhat awkward operationally.
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RE: ORD: Terminal 1 Concourse A?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:56 pm

Since I haven't flown through ORD very much in the past 20 years, Postcard 11 is how I seem to remember it in in the mid to late 60's even. I remember back even before the Hotel and covered parking was in front of the terminal, it was just a huge open parking lot. Just as it looked in postcard 9. I certainly don't remember parking being that cheap! I usually paid $2.00 for an afternoon of roaming the terminals.

I never have seen those telescoping gates at the CO gates, going as back as 1965. They must have been removed before then. They do look neat though.

And the ticket counters in the international building (after the rest was built) was just down the hall on the second floor from the area depicted in postcard 6. The room was in a circular shape with the ticket counters on the edges. Also, just out of site on postcard 6 was the statue of O'hare that now sits in Terminal 2.

If you want a glimpse of what the inside of the terminals looked lke back then, look at the current baggage claim areas in Terminal 2. Low ceilings, that "driveway look" gray pebble stone walls.

SE210: Thanks for taking the time for posting those postcards, they were a real pleasure to see again!
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