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Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:55 am

Randy's blog today talks about the B717 line that is in the process of closing down and that work on the last B717, to be delivered in May 2006, has started.

http://www.boeing.com/randy/

Very sad if you ask me.  cry 

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:15 am

I quickly read through the article, could not seem to identify the operator that this aircraft would be delivered to.

Would you happen to know? Just curious.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:42 am

Wonder how much that *limited edition* artwork will fetch on eBay?
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:43 am

The last MD-95 (717-200) will be delivered to AirTran (ship 5156), work will begin on the aircraft shortly.

Whats left is 2 aircaft for AirTran and 4 aircraft for Midwest.......very sad to say the least.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:53 am

Man, I haven't been this bummed about something in aviation since the last 757 came off the line. Probably because this really is the end, you know?

God speed to the McDonnel Douglas line.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:14 am

That sucks. An era is about to end.

Can you imagine what it will be like when the last 737 or 747 rolls off the line?

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:19 am

I suppose this is the official end of the McDonnel-Douglas line.  Sad
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:23 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 5):

Can you imagine what it will be like when the last 737 or 747 rolls off the line?

Let's not even go there. I can already see a thread with 300+ posts and 10,000+ views.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:26 am

Yes, quite a sad time indeed for the entire Douglas/MD program.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:29 am

That "eulogy" was worse than I would expect from my worse enemy. What a load of crap, right?

From the article linked in the first post....

"Unfortunately, the market for jets in the 100-seat category doesn’t support continued production. But there’s no question that during its run, the 717 has been highly profitable for its operators, and will continue to be for years to come.

It was first developed by McDonnell Douglas as the MD-95, then later renamed 717 after the merger with Boeing in 1997. And it’s a great example of how customers use our products for short range flying. Airlines such as AirTran and Midwest are thriving with the 717 because of its on-time reliability and low operating costs."


I thought the 100-seat market was thriving.

"Profitable for it's operators"...then why didn't more airlines order the thing?

and again "thriving...on-time reliability....Pffft LOW operating costs [emphasis added]. Like before, why didn't more airlines snap this baby up?

My question? Why can't Boeing offer two models in the same basic class? A rear engine short-hauler aircraft and a wing mounted engine short haul? Think the 737 could stand the heat if these two birds were taken to maximum potential?

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:34 am

Please...the DC-9 and all its aka's was one of the most uncomfortable aircraft ever assembled. I would go out of my way not to travel in one of those flying cigar tubes.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 9):
Like before, why didn't more airlines snap this baby up?

For starters... this bird required 3 flight attendants because its over 100 seats. Just look at the current marker for 100 seat planes and you will see its not so hot. E195 is not a hot seller compared to the 190. Secondly, this frame based on 30 plus years... Embraer is all modern and probably more efficient.

It's unfortunate that the 717 has to end this way as a money loser and drain. But cest la vie!
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:42 am

I heard that they will keep the 2 giant final assembly halls and turn them into a Douglas museum?
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:43 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 9):
That "eulogy" was worse than I would expect from my worse enemy. What a load of crap, right?

That was a very classy thing for Randy to write....

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 9):
"Profitable for it's operators"...then why didn't more airlines order the thing?

Many reasons: Pilot Unions, lack of a family, price VS the RJ's, etc. The RJ's was cheaper of front & your pilots were paid on the low side.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 9):
Profitable for it's operators"...then why didn't more airlines order the thing?

Well, let's see TWA, bankrupt, airplanes went to Airtran.
Vuelamex - Never received their operating certificate, airplanes went to Airtran.
Heartland - never got off the ground

That alone was worth anywhere from 25-75 airplanes.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 13):
Well, let's see TWA, bankrupt, airplanes went to Airtran.
Vuelamex - Never received their operating certificate, airplanes went to Airtran.
Heartland - never got off the ground

Why didn't any cash healthy (at least at the time of ordering) airlines take the plane? Because it was a lame duck, so to speak? (thanks in part to the eulogy giver)

Sounds like the program was "murdered" rather than died of a natural cause.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:50 am

(Secondly, this frame based on 30 plus years...). Like the 737's airframes a spring chicken?
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:58 am

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 15):
(Secondly, this frame based on 30 plus years...). Like the 737's airframes a spring chicken?

Yeah, and the 737 is obviously much more marketable. The size was its worse enemy. This is just my opinion. Sorry if you dont agree.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting 4Left (Reply 10):
Please...the DC-9 and all its aka's was one of the most uncomfortable aircraft ever assembled. I would go out of my way not to travel in one of those flying cigar tubes.

Oh please, like a cramped seat on one airplane next a bulkhead is any different on one type versus another. The narrowness of the cabin bothers you? I guess for you it must be hard to pick a flight. "Sorry, I don't fly on those."
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:10 pm

(Yeah, and the 737 is obviously much more marketable. The size was its worse enemy. This is just my opinion. Sorry if you dont agree.)-Not disagreeing about its size doing it in. Just tired of the age old song and dance about its old airframe did it in. Well that old airframe will outlast first generation 737's anyday. What killed the 717 is Boeing's complete lack of interest in developing it into a family of marketable jets. As shown in original sales figures for first generation DC-9's and Boeing 737's, the DC-9 held its ground quite well.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:29 pm

I have to agree. I almost threw up when I read

"Unfortunately, the market for jets in the 100-seat category doesn’t support continued production."

What a bunch of total asinine horses--t. Embraer is going to sell a zillion 100-seat aircraft. Embraer. Boeing just HANDED them this market. Donny Douglas should be rolling in his grave.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:45 pm

Very sad.  cry 

This is the death of a thousand cuts...
Boeing didn't really "sell" the plane like it should have...
Wasn't given the range customers demanded...
The old niner wing should have been updated (weight/aerodynamics)...
Airbus went for the jugular in competitions versus the 717...
To market just a little too early...

and of course: NW kept the DC-9's!  duck 

I'm amused by Randy's "shot across the bow" toward Embraer:

Quote:
Unfortunately, the market for jets in the 100-seat category doesn’t support continued production.

Normally I like how Randy is pretty neutral in his comments. (Ok, obviously he's "go Boeing!", but normally his comments are pretty neutral.) If the E190/195 takes off...  spin 

Farewell MD95/717.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 19):
I have to agree. I almost threw up when I read

"Unfortunately, the market for jets in the 100-seat category doesn’t support continued production."

What a bunch of total asinine horses--t. Embraer is going to sell a zillion 100-seat aircraft. Embraer. Boeing just HANDED them this market. Donny Douglas should be rolling in his grave.

 rotfl  Ok, I was amused...

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:47 pm

A sad day, regardless of the debate over the why's and hows. If they didn't sell, the market judged them to not be the aircraft they wanted.

The 717 will give us all plenty of rides in the coming years of it's service life. I look forward to taking a few rides in them.

And for those of you who doubt the aircrafts profitibility, go talk to a guy named Joe at the airline with the teal tail and the big A painted on it. Or better yet, go talk to the people at Delta who WISH like hell they had anything as efficient as the 717 in the fleet to replace the 737-200 gas guzzlers.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 18):
What killed the 717 is Boeing's complete lack of interest in developing it into a family of marketable jets.

Yep, I think they wanted everyone to buy a 737-600.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 19):
Donny Douglas should be rolling in his grave.

He probably did that when Boeing bought out the company too.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:14 pm

Well, at least if the 717's heritage is any indicator, we can expect to be flying in them until well past 2035.

Very sad to see the end of the line, however. When the last one is delivered (May 2006 according to Randy) I'll be wearing black.

How many of us are going to try to find an excuse to be in Atlanta next May??
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:17 pm

I still have the videotape that was given to all the ValuJet employees announcing the purchase order for the MD95. It's in storage in Tampa. On that dark day of the last delivery, I'll pop it in and remember the good and the bad.

I'll also remember our final DC-9 flight and think ahead to a time when no MD aircraft grace the skies... hopefully not in my lifetime.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:49 pm

As a guy who flies out of LGB all the time, and is a HUGE DC/MD fan, this really hits hard.


On so many levels, the end of the line is a sad thing.


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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:59 pm

Quoting Vatveng (Reply 23):
Well, at least if the 717's heritage is any indicator, we can expect to be flying in them until well past 2035

I wonder how many DC3's will still be flying in 2035?

Quoting Arffguy (Reply 22):
Yep, I think they wanted everyone to buy a 737-600.

I don't think that was the problem - it was suffering as the MD-95 too. The MD-95/717 was a shrunk down aircraft - it was just too much aircraft for the 100 seat market. The Embraer is much better sized to server the market. Shrinking aircraft never works.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:16 pm

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 5):
That sucks. An era is about to end.

Can you imagine what it will be like when the last 737 or 747 rolls off the line?

OK, 737 (NG) I can see...it's not like Boeing will be gone as a brand name, tho. But the 74x? That gives me pause... I hope something else big and beautiful, graceful and distinctive takes it's place, or I might sink into a depression...

Anyway, (back on topic) I liked the MD birds, the sleek look and uncluttered wings... sigh 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:34 pm

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 26):
I don't think that was the problem - it was suffering as the MD-95 too. The MD-95/717 was a shrunk down aircraft - it was just too much aircraft for the 100 seat market. The Embraer is much better sized to server the market. Shrinking aircraft never works.

Actually, I had forgotten that idea. You are right. Although the Embraer doesn't look that small.

To get my 717 fix I will go back to Hawaii though  cheerful 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:35 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 2):
Wonder how much that *limited edition* artwork will fetch on eBay?

I'd pay a pretty penny for that. It looks much better than anything offered on the Boeing store. How is LGB for seeing these things during their first/test flights? I wouldn't mind checking it out in the next 8 months before they're gone.
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:47 pm

He should have been more clear: the market for 100 seat MAINLINE jets is not so hot. The 736 318 and 717 all were poor sellers in comparison to slightly smaller Rjets like the E190 and C900.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 14):
Why didn't any cash healthy (at least at the time of ordering) airlines take the plane? Because it was a lame duck, so to speak? (thanks in part to the eulogy giver)

Very true. Why get sadled with plane that would limit your growth potential since no more are available? If you are a "one aircraft" fleet operation like so many regionals/LCC are, having no access to more of you one aircraft type in the future is suicide.

Airtran solved this by adding 737s for longer routes, so the 717 won't limit them. Hawaiian knew that they would not need any more jets in the future, as the interisland market is clearly defined and basically saturated for years to come.

Worse, for many airlines, not having the commonality the 737 family has makes it a difficult sell as well. 737 Airlines would rather "misuse" the 73G or keep their old 735s than get a new type in the 717 or even take the 736. Thus the comment about the 100 seat market.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:55 pm

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 26):
The MD-95/717 was a shrunk down aircraft - it was just too much aircraft for the 100 seat market.

Not to be too contrary or anything, but there are two points to be made here. One is a personal prejudice: while I understand that the safety records on all the little toy Canadian and Brazilian jets are by and large just the same as the big ones, I just have to say that a built-like-a-tank Douglas product is just more of a pleasure (and more reassuring) to fly on than something engineered by folks who used to make tinkertoys and business jets. Here's an example: on the CRJ, they actually engineered the thing so that after a dual engine flameout, you can't windmill-restart the sucker without a massive loss of altitude due to engineering characteristics of the engines (they're the same engines as on the Warthog, so they're engineered so they don't suck up FOD and can run after ingesting a poopload of FOD, but they don't windmill worth a crap). So, below a relatively-high altitude, after a dual-engine failure, you are constrained to deploy the RAT, get power, start the APU and hope to use it to restart your engines. Not ideal, but doable. Oh, yeah, but at the same time you can defer the APU (i.e. take off with it inoperable). Swell. This means, in fact, that you may find yourself in the position of being unable -- as an ENGINEERING matter -- to relight your engines at altitude (which is, by the way, contrary to the FAR's without an exemption). So personally I'd rather be on an actual airliner than a 100-seat Embraer or CRJ. And I suspect that if some of the more recent incidents involving smaller foreign jets had happened when they were first coming out, you'd have had a lot of negative media attention that would have colored airlines' thinking on these issues. In short, if those 100-seaters are cheaper than the 717, there's a reason they're cheaper. They are in fact, "lesser aircraft" rather than "too much aircraft". Personally, I think if folks had a better appreciation of what they were flying on, they'd prefer to be on "too much aircraft" rather than "not enough aircraft".

But it didn't happen and we're stuck with what we're stuck with. And I fully recognize that I'm more likely to die from getting conked on the head by a falling coconut at my destination than on an EMB. But, hey, it's a preference.

Second, and perhaps more germane, the 717 is effectively a DC-9-40 with lots of improvements and better engines. (And some things that are still the same, like the funny location of the backup compass.) It isn't a "shrunk" anything. It certainly isn't a shrunk MD80, because it doesn't have the MD80 wing, or the MD87's range.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. The 717 is going out of production, and I'll be sorry to see that for purely emotional reasons.

[Edited 2005-11-30 07:58:15]
 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:59 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 30):
He should have been more clear: the market for 100 seat MAINLINE jets is not so hot. The 736 318 and 717 all were poor sellers in comparison to slightly smaller Rjets like the E190 and C900.

Indeed, Joe Leonard of Airtran has said at least a couple of different times that the operating costs of the 737-700 and the 717 are the same, only you get 20 more. THAT is the real killer of the 717.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:09 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 19):
Embraer is going to sell a zillion 100-seat aircraft.

Smoke on, smoke on!

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:15 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 32):
Indeed, Joe Leonard of Airtran has said at least a couple of different times that the operating costs of the 737-700 and the 717 are the same, only you get 20 more. THAT is the real killer of the 717.


Negative. I do not believe that Joe Leonard as ever said that the operating cost of the 737-700 & the 717 are the same. The operating cost of the 717 are superior to those of the 737-700.

Joe Leonard has been one of the spokesmen for the 717 & the operating numbers, at one time, Joe Leonard attributed the success of Airtran to the 717.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:15 pm

I am really fond of the 717 and MD in general, I just can say it's a pity (as was a pity the MD brand and essence disappearing), and as some user said, I hope I won't have to live the day no MD plane is gracing the skies.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:21 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 20):
Very sad. ??

This is the death of a thousand cuts...
Boeing didn't really "sell" the plane like it should have...
Wasn't given the range customers demanded...
The old niner wing should have been updated (weight/aerodynamics)...
Airbus went for the jugular in competitions versus the 717...
To market just a little too early...

Some of the blame should be placed on Douglas as well. Douglas was the one that developed the 717 with the DC9 type wing.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:26 pm

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 33):

100-seat successes are: Uh, I'll think of one real soon now.........

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:30 pm

well, douglas will have the last laugh when today's new a318s and 736s are headed for the scrap heap...and the 717 is still flying! it's a darn shame that boeing didn't go ahead with the 713...cause i think airtran would have picked up a bunch of em...midwest too!!
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:35 pm

I have a hard time believing that the operating cost of a 73G is the same as a 717. I have heard, that according to NW people, the DC9-50 and A319 (equal capacity) have virtually equal operating costs on short segments. And, the DC9-50 is expenisve compared to the 717. Its all about MTOW and segment length. On longer segments, the A319 wins out in this case due to better fuel burn.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:57 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 31):
Personally, I think if folks had a better appreciation of what they were flying on, they'd prefer to be on "too much aircraft" rather than "not enough aircraft".

This is what they think of riding on a regional jet instead of a turboprop these days, that's for sure. You and I both know that the general public knows little about aviation nor do they care. And you and I both know that airlines buy airplanes based on profits and operating cost not emotional feelings that you get riding in one. On the other hand my friend Dave (a private pilot) was so excited because he got to fly on a Skywest Brasilia instead of an RJ the other day.

The only thing I don't like is that Boeing got rid of the eyebrow windows on the 717 and 737 and they just don't look right.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:18 pm

Quoting Arffguy (Reply 40):
And you and I both know that airlines buy airplanes based on profits and operating cost not emotional feelings that you get riding in one.

Sort of. How many airlines brought brand-spankin'-new passenger DC10s after the Chicago fiasco and grounding? How promptly did AA promptly take the words DC10 Luxury Liner off their planes and replace them with American Airlines Luxury Liner, and take DC10 off of pretty much everything they could? How many people eschewed ValuJet Dc9s after the Miami accident? How many folks tried to avoid MD80s for a while after the Alaska accident? If the media "education" of the public is intense enough, those irrational feelings affect profits, and thereby affect purchasing decisions.

Operating cost is also a function of how much you pay the guys to fly them, and unfortunately the effective B-scale that's provided by the connection carriers affects operating cost as well when those mainline carriers are looking at their scope clauses and choosing an aircraft size. That's why Comair flies dinky jets on the same routes as Airtran's 717s. Bottom line: there are forces at play that have relatively less to do with the performance of the aircraft itself and the optimal available cabin load for a given city pair.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:32 pm

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 34):
Negative. I do not believe that Joe Leonard as ever said that the operating cost of the 737-700 & the 717 are the same. The operating cost of the 717 are superior to those of the 737-700.

Negative.

Please go check out the Airways magazine from about 5 months ago and you'll find that's EXACTLY what he said. He's been quoted in a couple of different places saying that.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:51 pm

Sad that the MD civil line is finally ending.

But, every cloud has a silver lining. At least we won't get any more "When will NW buy 717s?" threads!  duck 
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 39):
I have heard, that according to NW people, the DC9-50 and A319 (equal capacity) have virtually equal operating costs on short segments.

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Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 39):
And, the DC9-50 is expenisve compared to the 717.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:19 pm

I'de sure like to have one of those prints. I'll have to watch ebay for them.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:58 pm

May 2006 will be a sad time, but rest assured that the 717 will stay in our skies for a good 35 years yet (we hope!)
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 41):
If the media "education" of the public is intense enough, those irrational feelings affect profits, and thereby affect purchasing decisions.



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 41):
....optimal available cabin load for a given city pair

For the second time today you bring up things that I have forgotten about. Good job, Bill. I gotta get more sleep too.
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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:25 am

As a big fan of Douglas and McDonald Douglas jets, it's sad to see that the last 717s are now being built. The 717 is a terrific airplane to fly in as a passenger, quiet (even in the rear) and smooth.

When it comes to longevity, Douglas designs rule. Outside of the venerable AN-2 biplane no one else is even close. Consider the fact that the DC-3, still earning it's keep around the world, was designed and first flew in the 1930s! Add the fact that DC-4s and DC-6s are still in use, these designs dating from the 1940s. Douglas planes keep on working long after their contemporaries are relegated to museum pieces and rare curiosities.

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RE: Randy's Blog: The Last B717 Is Being Built

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:19 am

So here's a question for you ... when that last frame is delivered to Airtran, how many 717s total will have been delivered (discounting the test plane(s), which I understand are being scrapped rather than retrofitted for delivery) ... and do you forsee a future where almost all of them will end up with a teal tail and a big white "A" in the future?

I can't see airtran going solely with 737 variants from this point onwards; the 717 and its effeciencies are too important. As they grow they will end up needing more of them, and after May, that can only happen off the used market.

If they grow large enough, fast enough, they could conceivably end up snapping up any used examples that hit the market, to the point where eventually they could end up operating the entire product fleet.

That would be an amazing thing, IMHO ...

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