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Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:19 am

Sahara has announced their flight to London (LHR?) from DEL starting Jan 6, 2006, on a 4 class 767, 4x weekly. The promotional economy fare is Rs 28,500 with a free domestic RT ticket or a free RT to Singapore!. Happy to see them going to London. I hope they have a good schedule which would make it possible to connect to either AA or BA flights to USA.

Where did they get this 767 from?

Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1313501.cms
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:27 am

Are they serious about the service or its just a ploy to up their stake in case of buyout. I won't be buying a ticket 3 months ahead!!
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
Are they serious about the service or its just a ploy to up their stake in case of buyout

It certainly helps them to play up their international flying rights to potential investors, especially foreign ones. Fly them into DEL from London in Premium Business for negotiations.
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:41 am

An S2 pilot mentioned B744s until they get the B777s.
What Brand new B767 as per the article.From Where.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:55 am

Additional info. from Hindustan times: Link:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1560788,00020016.htm
Quotes:
Announcing that the airline would acquire seven Boeing 737-800s on lease with the first two arriving in February, the Air Sahara chief said the carrier was also in talks with lessors for two more Boeing 767s for its international operations.
He said Air Sahara, which had launched 12 additional flights during November, was planning to have a second daily flight to Singapore this winter season. It was also planning to make the Delhi-London service a daily flight from the present four days a week.

The leading Indian airline has already applied for launching operations to Bangkok and Hong Kong in next summer and would also oeprate to Kuala Lumpur with additional planes coming in.
Dutta said Air Sahara would soon provide through tickets from any destination in India to any destination in Europe in collaboration with British Airways, while American Airlines would codeshare with it on the Delhi-London sector.
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Sahara has announced their flight to London (LHR?)

Yes, it is London Heathrow (where did they get the slots from?) - it is on their website.
Here are the timings:
DEL-LHR
Mon & Wed
Departure: 12:15 Arrival:16:40
Fri
Departure: 11:25 Arrival:15:50
Sat
Departure: 13:35 Arrival:18:00 1
LHR-DEL
Mon, Wed, Fri & Sat
Departure:21:00 Arrival:11:10**
** Next Day

Full details, including aircraft configuration can be found on the Air Sahara website:
http://www.airsahara.net
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:01 am

More info. on schedule from Webindia.

The plane will leave Delhi on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays during daytime and return in evenings.

Perfect. This will enable short connections to many cities on their network.
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
It was also planning to make the Delhi-London service a daily flight from the present four days a week.

what do they mean by "present"?? Starting Jan 6 is what they mean.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
Air Sahara would soon provide through tickets from any destination in India to any destination in Europe in collaboration with British Airways, while American Airlines would codeshare with it on the Delhi-London sector.

also with flights starting to HKG, it indeed OneWorld!!

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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:35 am

Excellent connection to JFK on AA.

LHR-JFK Dep 8.00 p.m. Arr 10:50 p.m.
JFK-LHR Dep 8.30 a.m. Arr 8.20 p.m.

Is 40 minutes enough to connect to Sahara flight to DEL at 9:00 p.m.?
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:43 am

Is it really worth them having a 4 class 763? - Since they are new to the route I would think it is better to offer get themselves established on the route before launching a 4 class product.

In addition, it leaves room for just 193 seats, i'm not sure if this is a great idea.

I could be wrong though!!
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 9):
Is it really worth them having a 4 class 763?

They probably had no choice as this Aircraft must be leased from some airline which can not use it currently.
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:14 am

Is it correct that Jet Airways will start or just started service into LHR as well? Is this route worthy to go into direct competition? AI and BA are flying into DEL, too, don't they?
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting A300605R (Reply 11):
Is it correct that Jet Airways will start or just started service into LHR as well? Is this route worthy to go into direct competition? AI and BA are flying into DEL, too, don't they?

9W flies out of BOM and here also has to compete with AI and BA.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting A300605R (Reply 11):
Is it correct that Jet Airways will start or just started service into LHR as well? Is this route worthy to go into direct competition?

Yes, Jet Airways have a daily flight from DEL to LHR, which arrives into LHR at about 7am and leaves at 9am - they are leasing the slots from UA.

Quoting A300605R (Reply 11):
AI and BA are flying into DEL, too, don't they?

Yes, the following airlines also operate LHR-DEL.
BA - daily at the moment, leaving LHR at about 9am. It will be double daily by May '06.
VS - daily flight, leaving LHR at 9pm
AI - daily
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:31 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
The promotional economy fare is Rs 28,500 with a free domestic RT ticket or a free RT to Singapore!

Typical S2, to announce DEL-LHR when there's so much competition on this sector now! I hope they at least get into code-share with BA - so both sides can sell each others inventory - plus tag on to European/Domestic sectors as well.

With throwing in a free return trip to SIN - there go all yields on this route. But that should prove a huge incentive to get the flight going!

The lack of vision/planning is really glaring. This seems to be a publicity stunt to get their price bumped upwards.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
He said Air Sahara, which had launched 12 additional flights during November, was planning to have a second daily flight to Singapore this winter season

I think he forgot to add the 4 daily flights BOM-MAA that got dropped.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:31 am

Thanks for the update, VT-ASJ! Haven't know that yet.
Does BA usually use B744 for their flights into BOM or B772?
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting A300605R (Reply 15):
Does BA usually use B744 for their flights into BOM or B772?

BA use B744, which goes out PACKED most of the time!
VS use A343 and occasionally A346
AI use 744
9W use A343
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:49 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
where did they get this 767 from?

Its an ex UA 763. They shall be retaining the interior which is where the four classes come from.
First Class
Business Class
Economy Plus
Economy

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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 16):
Quoting A300605R (Reply 15):
Does BA usually use B744 for their flights into BOM or B772?

BA use B744, which goes out PACKED most of the time!

THey have 2 daily flights to BOM - a 744 and a 772.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:54 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 17):
Its an ex UA 763

That's good news - means it may have Channel 9 enabled  Smile

Why is UA getting rid of 763s?
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:03 am

Do I have this right ?

LHR-BOM per-week (40 flights)

9W: 7x343
AI: 4x744, 4x777
BA: 7x744, 7x772
BD: 4x332
VS: 7x34*


LHR-DEL per-week (27 flights) ... excluding Sahara

9W: 7x343
AI: 6x744
BA: 7x744
VS: 7x343
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
Is 40 minutes enough to connect to Sahara flight to DEL at 9:00 p.m.?

Heathrow I believe is 1 hour 30, for a minimum connect.

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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 17):
Its an ex UA 763. They shall be retaining the interior which is where the four classes come from.
First Class
Business Class
Economy Plus
Economy

Ok I was wondering that

Quoting Nimish (Reply 19):
Why is UA getting rid of 763s?

I know first 777's now 763's , whats next 757's?"?  wink 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:10 am

Fare wars have begun on India-LHR sector. From an article in Economic Times:
Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1313946.cms

Richard Branson’s Virgin Atlantic, which increased its flight frequency between Mumbai and London from three to seven per week from December 1, has come out with a special return economy offer of Rs 17,777, valid for travel till December 31, 2005. Booking deadlines for Virgin offer is December 15.
A return economy fare in British Airways, the market leader in the India-UK sector, is available for around Rs 30,500, while Air-India sells for around Rs 24,000, Jet Airways for around Rs 20,000, and BMI for Rs 19,000, all exclusive of taxes.

I am surprised that Jet fare is lower than that of AI by Rs 4,000 and BMI is lower by Rs 5,000. Can this be correct?
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
THey have 2 daily flights to BOM - a 744 and a 772

No - AI usually change their schedules. In December they only have two daily flights on a Saturday:
AI128 Dep 11:45
AI130 Dep 21:30

In February, AI operate the follwing to DEL from LHR, with double daily flights on Mon, Tue, Wed and Sat.
AI112 London New Delhi 0825 2210 744 0 All days except: Sat Sun
AI112 London New Delhi 0845 2230 744 0 Mon Tue Wed
AI128 London New Delhi 1145 0130 744 0 Sat
AI120 London New Delhi 1830 0815 744 0 Sat

In March, AI operate the following to DEL from LHR, with double daily going back to Sat only.
AI112 London New Delhi 0845 2230 744 0 Mon Tue Wed
AI112 London New Delhi 0945 2235 744 0 Thu Fri
AI128 London New Delhi 1145 0130 744 0 Sat
AI120 London New Delhi 1830 0815 744 0 Sat

No 777's are operated on the LHR - DEL routes - only on the LHR-BOM and BHX-ATQ-DEL!
I know AI usually fly LHR-BOM-DEL - but I have not included them as they are not direct!
 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 23):
has come out with a special return economy offer of Rs 17,777, valid for travel till December 31, 2005. Booking deadlines for Virgin offer is December 15.

Wow, that's a really good deal - I checked random weekend dates online - and there was availability. The total fare incl. taxes is Rs.24,990/- and full miles can be earned on this fare. Pity it's only on the BOM-LHR sector and not on the DEL-LHR sector.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:44 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):

The leading Indian airline has already applied for launching operations to Bangkok and Hong Kong in next summer

India has exhausted its bilateral quota for Thailand and Hongkong. I do not see how S2 will be able to fly into BKK or HKG unless the bilaterals are revised.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:51 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 25):
Wow, that's a really good deal - I checked random weekend dates online - and there was availability. The total fare incl. taxes is Rs.24,990

Geez! Around 550 USD for LHR-BOM roundtrip. That's amazing. I paid more than that for my ATL-MCO roundtrips. How much more from the US because I could use some good curry.

Kind of a separate question but is S2 having money problems? I enjoyed flying them when I was in BLR last year. I preferred them over Jet Airways a little bit.
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:23 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 27):
Around 550 USD for LHR-BOM roundtrip. That's amazing. I paid more than that for my ATL-MCO roundtrips

Don't forget this is a 10 hour flight - and you earn about 4500 miles each way! Would it be good for a mileage run?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 27):
is S2 having money problems

Money - what's that? That's their problem, they have none  Smile
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 17):



Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
where did they get this 767 from?

Its an ex UA 763. They shall be retaining the interior which is where the four classes come from.

So why does the report say "Brand new".  Smile

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 22):
I know first 777's now 763's , whats next 757's

I know an airline that would be interested in B757s  biggrin 
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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 24):
No - AI usually change their schedules. In December they only have two daily flights on a Saturday:
AI128 Dep 11:45
AI130 Dep 21:30

In February, AI operate the follwing to DEL from LHR, with double daily flights on Mon, Tue, Wed and Sat.
AI112 London New Delhi 0825 2210 744 0 All days except: Sat Sun
AI112 London New Delhi 0845 2230 744 0 Mon Tue Wed
AI128 London New Delhi 1145 0130 744 0 Sat
AI120 London New Delhi 1830 0815 744 0 Sat

In March, AI operate the following to DEL from LHR, with double daily going back to Sat only.
AI112 London New Delhi 0845 2230 744 0 Mon Tue Wed
AI112 London New Delhi 0945 2235 744 0 Thu Fri
AI128 London New Delhi 1145 0130 744 0 Sat
AI120 London New Delhi 1830 0815 744 0 Sat

No 777's are operated on the LHR - DEL routes - only on the LHR-BOM and BHX-ATQ-DEL!
I know AI usually fly LHR-BOM-DEL - but I have not included them as they are not direct!



Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Quoting A300605R (Reply 15):
Does BA usually use B744 for their flights into BOM or B772?

BA use B744, which goes out PACKED most of the time!

THey have 2 daily flights to BOM - a 744 and a 772.

I think the questioner (A300605R) was asking which aircraft BA sends to BOM, not AI. Jaysit answered correctly that BA has two daily flights (14/week) utilising a 744 on the morning flight ex-LHR and a 772 on the evening one.

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RE: Sahara To Fly DEL-London From Jan. 6

Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:45 am

I wonder how the loads are on the BOM-LHR sector.

In less than one year the capacity seems to have doubled.
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