radelow
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When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:22 am

I fly BA Club World usually when I go to Europe and the service is outstanding. The only thing that really irks me is the plastic silverware. Any idea if they will ever bring back the real silverware? Most other airlines have... It just seems really silly to me.

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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:23 am

Isn't this a TSA thing???
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting C680 (Reply 1):
Isn't this a TSA thing???

No. It is strictly and airline thing. CO has had stainless all the way through in F. I think for the first few months, they subbed in a plastic knife, but the knives are now metal again, too.
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:37 am

I heard somewhere, that BA are not allowed at the moment to re-introduce metal cutlery.

Although i was told that BA still have all of the silverware they used to use pre- 11/9/01.

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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:42 am

BA do have silverware and it has been back for a fair few months now. I've had it on shorthaul flights a couple of times and in First on longhaul.
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The only exceptions to this I believe are flights down to Australia where law prohibits use of metal cutlery.
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 4):
I've had it on shorthaul flights

Hah! Since they only serve tea and biscuits on flights less than two hours I don't see how this is possible. When are they going to reintroduce ANY service other that a Walkers shortbread cookie? How difficult is it to put a bar trolly on a flight to Geneva.

My next flight on them GVA-LHR is a FF redemption, so I don't have a bl** choice, but next time I pay for a ticket I'm flying on somebody else. How long has it been now? Almost 6 Months and they can't get their xxxx together.
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 5):
Hah! Since they only serve tea and biscuits on flights less than two hours I don't see how this is possible.

Very possible if you fly to/from LGW which has been unaffected, you only have four flights per day from GVA to LGW to pick from. I changed my shorthaul plans to avoid LHR, why don't you?

And while the hangover from the catering dispute is shocking it has been going on since mid August, so not four months yet.
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6):
Very possible if you fly to/from LGW which has been unaffected, you only have four flights per day from GVA to LGW to pick from. I changed my shorthaul plans to avoid LHR, why don't you?

A very good point. Especially that BA also fly from London City on top of LGW and LHR.

Loads of other options from Geneva to London:

Easyjet to:
-Gatwick
-Luton
-Stansted

Swiss to:
-City
-Heathrow (seasonal)

Flyglobespan to:
-Stansted
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:12 am

I stand corrected!!!!

Quote from BA.com:

We are very pleased that longhaul customers flying in FIRST or Club World cabins can now use metal cutlery again to eat their meals, effective 26 May 2005.

It will improve the overall dining experience for our customers in the premium cabins.

We are now working hard to ensure that our shorthaul customers flying in Club Europe can use cutlery again as soon as possible.

We will continue to urge the government to lobby for industry wide standards so that customers, airlines and airports know where they stand in relation to what items they can take onboard or use on board.

We have put in place enhanced security measures on board since September 11, 2001, including re-enforced and locked cockpit doors as well as CCTV to ensure that every day items are not a threat.
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:23 pm

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 7):
Swiss to:
-Heathrow (seasonal)

I wish! Swiss to Heathrow is two flights on Saturday's only during the winter. (They are using the slots from last winters Sion non-stops from Heathrow). They are using ARJs, which is a prime example of the waste of two prime slots.

The reality is that BA does not have any competition Geneva - Heathrow, and since I am travelling to the west of London (Newbury area) both City and Gatwick are less than perfect. In December I am transiting Heathrow - and don't have much choice here either.

Still I can't understand why, after four months (I stand corrected) that they can't do anything in Club on flights less than two hours. I know I can get a voucher or something in the lounge, but this isn't really an acceptable alternative. I suspect that this will turn out to be permanent.
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:34 pm

Quoting ANother (Reply 5):
Hah! Since they only serve tea and biscuits on flights less than two hours I don't see how this is possible. When are they going to reintroduce ANY service other that a Walkers shortbread cookie? How difficult is it to put a bar trolly on a flight to Geneva.

Fly from Gatwick next time and enjoy the benefits of Nice hot breakfasts and meals.

We were never affected by the catering stike as we are not catered by Gate Gourmet, Plus its a nicer experience from LGW.

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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:45 pm

I feel so sorry for those business travellers flying Club and having to eat their steak or asparagus tips with a plastic knife and fork. Have they considered the EU court of human rights?

How about 18 carrat gold cutlery for those poor people up front whose tickets their company and their customers pay for. The poor darlings!

However, on the point of BA catering, they should have it sorted by now and the price of their Y and C tickets should include food and passengers expect this to be resolved SOON
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:19 pm

Flew LGW-NCE in club Europe over the weekend, and got metal cutlery and a proper non-plastic mug and glass. Excellent service, excellent food and it was a bargain.

Expect trip report soon  Smile
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
How about 18 carrat gold cutlery for those poor people up front whose tickets their company and their customers pay for. The poor darlings!

Gold cutlery stains black when cutting vegetables, which is why you don't get gold cutlery. Apparently they used to have it on ocean liners, and all the work it took to get the stains out made it so that it wasn't worthwhile to have.

I've used plastic in Business and it just feels wrong when you're paying so much money for your ticket to be using plastic utensils.

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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 9):
The reality is that BA does not have any competition Geneva - Heathrow, and since I am travelling to the west of London (Newbury area) both City and Gatwick are less than perfect.

Errr, I lived in Newbury for 16yrs until end of September and had no problems getting to Gatwick from home!

If you aren't renting a car then you can get a train from Gatwick across the back end of Surrey through Guildford and to Basingstoke, Reading and on to Newbury.

LHR is a little easier thanks to HEX and direct service, LCY would be hell!

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
How about 18 carrat gold cutlery for those poor people up front whose tickets their company and their customers pay for. The poor darlings!

Where is the broken record smilie?
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting Radelow (Reply 8):

Quote from BA.com:

We are very pleased that longhaul customers flying in FIRST or Club World cabins can now use metal cutlery again to eat their meals, effective 26 May 2005.

Aye, it makes the steak a lot easier to eat  Smile
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:20 am

"oh, james...would you please let the captain know that next time i fly i would like to have the real silverware. And james, open that bottle of champagne for me......"



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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:08 am

In 2001, BA introduced new Conran designed cutlery for Concorde, it was on ever used on one flight, which I was on; Concorde Operational Evaluation Flifgt (by GDB Sep 15 2001 in Trip Reports)

It was Sept 11th 2001.
That flight was the only time it was ever used.

Still, I found on subsequent flights the plastic cutlery was OK, including for steaks.
Judging by the weight of the Conran pieces, the enforced adoption of plastic (and it was enforced then), probably saved quite a bit of weight.
 
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RE: When Will BA Have Real Silverware Again!?!?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
I feel so sorry for those business travellers flying Club and having to eat their steak or asparagus tips with a plastic knife and fork. Have they considered the EU court of human rights?

How about 18 carrat gold cutlery for those poor people up front whose tickets their company and their customers pay for. The poor darlings!

Good thing there's no "disrespected user" rating.  Wink
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