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Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:40 am

Hello I was just wondering if anyone could confirm the rumour that Air NZ will be starting direct flights to JNB in the next year. I believe it will be one of their new 777. Can someone confirm this for me please thank you. Apparently going to fly over the south pole.. Thank you
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:07 am

I doubt the T7 will be the equipment since the route is heavily ETOPS restricted. Maybe they'll do it with a 747.

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:19 am

Interesting, haven't heard the roumer to be honest but would be pleasing if it happened. Maybe if they went through PER or something.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:27 am

Wasn't there a rumor a while ago, that if JNB was going to happen then it would be via PER. Just wait till an announcement IF IT HAPPENES as we all know what rumors are like
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:35 am

When SAA is a full member of Star alliance in 2006 if it is via perth then maybe it will be code share with SAA flight to perth.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:04 am

That would be a wonderful rumor.  Smile However, has anybody clarified beyond reasonable doubt what is going to happen with the QF / SA codeshares from JNB-PER and JNB-SYD? I know that the SA codeshare with CX to HKG is on it's way out; while OS, OZ, NH, NZ, TP are already in or on their way into codeshares with SA.


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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:16 am

Just heard that Thai airways are on there way into JNB
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:21 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 6):
Just heard that Thai airways are on there way into JNB

on again / off again / on again ........ ??????

Quoting SA744 (Thread starter):
Hello I was just wondering if anyone could confirm the rumour that Air NZ will be starting direct flights to JNB in the next year. I believe it will be one of their new 777.

even if ETOPS 330 were granted they would still need to do a detour to off the direct track to fit the rules - I think we can safely say , for now at least , that AKL-JNB would require a quad . would love to see an SA 340 in AKL - but I think the market is more than adequately covered via SIN/KUL/PER/SYD
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:32 pm

JNB is not in the current discussions taking place.

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:43 pm

OK was just wondering because was in NZ begginning of the year and heard that it was quite a certain route and going to be very profitable with the QF flights always full and the longer routes SQ, MH and CX.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:48 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 9):
OK was just wondering because was in NZ begginning of the year and heard that it was quite a certain route and going to be very profitable with the QF flights always full and the longer routes SQ, MH and CX.

I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:54 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10):
I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.

hmmm, wonder how much of a penalty the diversion required to keep a one stop AKL-PER-JNB within acceptable ETOPS limits on the PER-JNB sector would be ?
It could potentially free up SA a/c for a return to JNB-SYD using their own metal

Just thinking out loud with absolutely no source to back me up ...... sure to be shot down in flames .... interesting idea though
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:01 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10):
I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.

Thank you NZ1 will be great to have a direct flight have family over there. So when the route does open will it be a direct flight?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:03 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 12):
Thank you NZ1 will be great to have a direct flight have family over there. So when the route does open will it be a direct flight?

I'd say direct but not non-stop, personally i'd say via PER.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:15 pm

It would either be AKL-PER-JNB or AKL-SYD-JNB.

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
I'd say direct but not non-stop, personally i'd say via PER



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14):
It would either be AKL-PER-JNB or AKL-SYD-JNB.

Which would be the quickest route. Im guessing it would be the AKL-PER-JNB route
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:22 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
hmmm, wonder how much of a penalty the diversion required to keep a one stop AKL-PER-JNB within acceptable ETOPS limits on the PER-JNB sector would be ?
....Just thinking out loud with absolutely no source to back me up ...... sure to be shot down in flames .... interesting idea though



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
personally i'd say via PER.



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14):
It would either be AKL-PER-JNB or AKL-SYD-JNB.

Wow , I must be finally getting better at this - after all the weird and wonderful ( but probably not economically feasible) new route suggestions I have made since joining Anet I finally come up with something that gets the seal of approval from two of my most highly respected users .
 veryhappy  of course , I will probably get egg all over my face again the next time I post something and someone points out a very good reason why it wont work - but I am going to enjoy the moment while it lasts  champagne 
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:40 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
via PER

PLEASE!!! lol, it would be nice having a bigger A/C on PER-AKL route!!, i think a 747 would have to do the PER-JNB because of etops as has already been said.

Does SA fly into PER? i dont think they do tbut can someone confirm

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:46 pm

Yes they do fly into PER with A342 code share with QF but fly SAA aircraft daily flight if im not mistaken
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:02 pm

I would like to see them flying AKL - SCL or AKL - LIM someday
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:05 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 18):
Yes they do fly into PER with A342 code share with QF but fly SAA aircraft daily flight if im not mistaken

I thought usually 5x weekly increasing to 6 for the peak period (Dec/Jan)

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 17):
i think a 747 would have to do the PER-JNB because of etops as has already been said.

wouldn't take too much of a diversion to bring it within ETOPS 207 - less than 350nm by tracking a little North of the Great Circle and flying over MRU ( the shaded area is the no-go at 207 ETOPS) probably worth it in terms of putting a 'right-sized' twin on the route rather than a (too) big quad.

 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:22 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 18):
Yes they do fly into PER with A342 code share with QF but fly SAA aircraft daily flight if im not mistaken

They do, good thanks for that wasnt sure as i know they did 2 years ago but hadnt seen them or heard them on perth ATC for a while
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:25 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 21):
They do, good thanks for that wasnt sure as i know they did 2 years ago but hadnt seen them or heard them on perth ATC for a while
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No probs mate i dont know if SAA are still using the "springbok" call sign.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:28 pm

Quoting SA744 (Reply 22):
No probs mate i dont know if SAA are still using the "springbok" call sign.

Yer that could be why?? They were using it beginning of year but havent heard it for a long time.
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10):
Quoting SA744 (Reply 9):
SA Czech Airlines">OK was just wondering because was in NZ begginning of the year and heard that it was quite a certain route and going to be very profitable with the QF flights always full and the longer routes SQ, MH and CX.


I didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Its just not on the table at the current time. I would bet on it happening with 2 years though. Hint hint.

Maybe when SA joins Star then SA could code-share with NZ to JNB-PER-AKL flights using SA metel.
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:39 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
Maybe when SA joins Star then SA could code-share with NZ to JNB-PER-AKL flights using SA metel.

I dont how that will happen as i dont know if SAA has enough aircraft to do that.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:53 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
I'd say direct but not non-stop, personally i'd say via PER.

Should SA be forced to severe their ties with QF and end the codeshares on the JNB-PER and JNB-SYD route, it would benefit both SA and NZ if the flight from AKL-JNB went via SYD. SA does not have the necessary metal to cover a separate JNB-SYD flight on their own, so it most likely will have to be an extension from the existing PER flight, like SA did pre-January 2001 or otherwise a codeshare with NZ, AKL-SYD-JNB.



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20):

I thought usually 5x weekly increasing to 6 for the peak period (Dec/Jan)

Correct, it is up to 6x weekly flights at this stage.

Quoting SA744 (Reply 22):

No probs mate i dont know if SAA are still using the "springbok" call sign.

That would be affirmative. Listen into JFK departure-and arrivals at about 13h00-14h00 (South African time) and you will hear how they welcome and guide "Springbok Heavy" into JFK.  Smile


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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:03 pm

Maybe SAA needs to get their fleet sorted asap couple 0f T7 would be great and some orders for 748
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 26):
Should SA be forced to severe their ties with QF and end the codeshares on the JNB-PER and JNB-SYD route, it would benefit both SA and NZ if the flight from AKL-JNB went via SYD. SA does not have the necessary metal to cover a separate JNB-SYD flight on their own, so it most likely will have to be an extension from the existing PER flight, like SA did pre-January 2001 or otherwise a codeshare with NZ, AKL-SYD-JNB.

the problem is that AKL-SYD-JNB would either have to be a quad - or would require a substantial diversion to bring within current ETOPS limits. Bear in mind that the current QF 744 service is often payload limited in any event due to strong headwinds on the SYD-JNB sector ( my QF source has told me that in extreme conditions up to 60 economy seats are blocked off from sale ) and 'hot and high' factors ex JNB , an extra 600 or 700 nm flying to comply with ETOPS for the 777 could make the route very tricky operationally - and of course it would be competing head on with QFs JNB-SYD so I think the 744 would be 'too much' aeroplane ( QF at the moment ,even co-operating with SA cannot manage to fill more than 5 744s weekly - two carriers operating 744 in competition would probably have to operate at marginal 2-3 weekly frequencies - not attractive to the high yield pax )
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:13 pm

Kiwiandrew

Thanks for the info. BTW, welcome to my respected users list. Big grin


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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:56 pm

All seems very complicated but i suppose it is a long way from JNB so i suppose it will be about 14 hour journey flying time.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting SA744 (Reply 30):
All seems very complicated but i suppose it is a long way from JNB so i suppose it will be about 14 hour journey flying time.

It will be more than 14 hours. The current non-stop SYD-JNB flight takes 14 hours, sometimes a bit less when the headwinds are not too strong.

If we are going to speculate that they will fly AKL-PER-JNB, the flying time may pan out as follows:

-Currently the non-stop NZ flight from AKL-PER takes about 7h35min.
-Add at least another hour on the ground in PER for fuel and maybe other pax to join the flight
-SA281 from PER-JNB takes about 11 hours.

That adds up to about 19h35min.  Smile


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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:28 am

Would / Could ANZ fly from SFO to LHR aswell as the LHR / LAX route
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 31):
If we are going to speculate that they will fly AKL-PER-JNB, the flying time may pan out as follows:

-Currently the non-stop NZ flight from AKL-PER takes about 7h35min.
-Add at least another hour on the ground in PER for fuel and maybe other pax to join the flight
-SA281 from PER-JNB takes about 11 hours.

How about some lateral thinking .... Why can't TE (oops sorry, NZ) reschedule their AKL-PER flights to connect to SA's JNB-PER flights. NZ has unlimited 5ths out of OZ (n'est pas) so they could offer both AKL-JNB (change of gauge at PER) and PER-JNB. SA could offer JNB-AKL (CoG) and possibly PER-AKL if they have the 5ths.

At the same time NZ could introduce PER-SYD flights (Australian cabotage permitted by NZ) giving SA 1 stop connecting CoG flights to SYD allowing them to cancel the Star/oneworld code share arrangements.

It could work!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 31):
If we are going to speculate that they will fly AKL-PER-JNB, the flying time may pan out as follows:

-Currently the non-stop NZ flight from AKL-PER takes about 7h35min.
-Add at least another hour on the ground in PER for fuel and maybe other pax to join the flight
-SA281 from PER-JNB takes about 11 hours.

although the current AKL-PER is on a 767 which , although a wonderful a/c , is bloody slow , hopefully a 777 would shave some time off
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:28 pm

Lets take a look at some AKL-JNB options. First assumption is that the winds westbound would be about -50knots. This is from a check of todays winds over the southern Indian Ocean from http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/difacs.cgi?0564 A second assumption is that the aircraft is ETOPS 207 and to maintain that would need a way point at about 82degrees East and about 28 degrees south. From Great Circle Navigator site this keeps the route just within ETOPS 207 space.The additional distance is about 140nm, quite insignificant really, not gross as some claim. Passenger weight incl. baggage at 220lb/person. Payload/ range charts are from Boeing's web site and do not necessarily reflect current numbers.
The still air distance from AKL-JNB via this route is 7407 nm; factor in the -50knot wind and this becomes 8258nm. This assumes a cruise speed of 485 knots IAS. ( 7407*485/435 = 8258).
The 777-200LR could do this with a full load of 310 passengers and better than 20000lb of freight..
Assuming the same route but with a stop in Sydney, the SYD - JNB leg by the above routing is 6377nm still air or 7109nm with a -50knot wind . A 777-300ER would take about a 345 passenger payload only. Reported enhancements would no doubt improve that number. A 1.5% fuel improvement would allow for a full passenger load.
Changing the stop to Perth , same routing , same wind, a still air distance of 4636nm, a 777-200ER could take a full 310 passenger payload plus about 18000 lb of freight. Not too much different than how NZ uses them to SFO.
Return loads would be better but the combination of a hot day and the altitude of JNB could materially affect loads.
A cavert, this is my understanding and interpretation of the data.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:32 pm

They'd do best codesharing with an SA A340 on AKL-MEL-JNB. This would introduce a new route and provide a great alternative to passengers from Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania and New Zealand - with no competition from QF who neglect MEL. Also, no ETOPS restrictions on skimming the south pole while flying an A340. Four times a week should do it. SA can keep their flights to SYD and PER linking with NZ flights from New Zealand which would give seven days a week service between South Africa and New Zealand.

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:39 pm

Do you think that the Super 12/14 has any impact on a decision to fly to JNB? It would be great for NZ teams to fly Air NZ to South Africa rather than transfer through SYD. It might also increase the popularity of supporting their team on another continent.
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 37):
Do you think that the Super 12/14 has any impact on a decision to fly to JNB? It would be great for NZ teams to fly Air NZ to South Africa rather than transfer through SYD. It might also increase the popularity of supporting their team on another continent.

Hell yes! I think sport is a great motivator for air travel and the Super 12/14 gets people moving. With some competition on this route, it may help drive fares down (they're outrageous currently). Glad that SA has four engined craft in the 300 seat range so as to allow some potential frequency of flights if they do consummate a codeshare with NZ direct via Oz's eastern seaboard.

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:48 pm

I always wonder why SA didn't pick up some 345's more for flights to the US, but maybe JNB-AKL non stop aswell.

If say SA and QF stop code sharing then i think that maybe SAA should do JNB-SYD with a 346 daily, and NZ do AKL-PER-JNB 3x weekly with a 744, since demand ex SYD would be higher give them the higher frequency smaller aircraft and NZ can replace SA on the PER-JNB sector. There has been the odd rumour that NZ are looking to re time their AKL-PER flights to connect to SA's PER-JNB and also to connect to NZ's SFO and LAX flights. That would be a fairly tight schedule.

They could have

LAX/SFO-AKL 0515
AKL-PER 0630
PER 0910
PER-AKL 1020
AKL 2130
AKL-LAX 2230

Pretty tight, and those times may be a bit out. That would connect to SAA service to/from JNB aswell arrives around 0900 and and departs around 1200.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 39):
I always wonder why SA didn't pick up some 345's more for flights to the US, but maybe JNB-AKL non stop aswell.

SA may have a unique opportunity to pick up 2 345s in the 2nd-half of either 2007 or 2008 when AC replaces them with 777s.

Can you say NYC-JNB nonstop?
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:29 pm

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 40):
Can you say NYC-JNB nonstop?

SA flew JFK-JNB non-stop in the past with B744's and the A343E. It became a daily one-stop, in both directions, via DKR during the course of 2004. SA have rights to pick-up-and drop off pax in DKR which seem very lucrative for the airline. I doubt that they will pick up AC A345's to fly JNB-JFK-JNB non-stop.


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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 41):
I doubt that they will pick up AC A345's to fly JNB-JFK-JNB non-stop.

Yeah i think SAA cant afford to buy anymore Aircraft at the moment i think SAA are in a shambles at the moment with all the reshuffling. The fact that they leased one of our A342 to Jet Airways to make some extra cash i presume ( but i know pressumtion is the mother of all srew ups).
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting SA744 (Reply 42):
The fact that they leased one of our A342 to Jet Airways to make some extra cash i presume ( but i know pressumtion is the mother of all srew ups).

They leased 3 of the brand-new A343E's to Jet Airways.  sour 

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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 43):
They leased 3 of the brand-new A343E's to Jet Airways.

WOW i did not know that flip that is wierd I am not trying to start a fight here but SAA should have gone with boeing when they did the initial fleet upgrade
 
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RE: Air New Zealand New Routes

Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting SA744 (Thread starter):
Apparently going to fly over the south pole.

Can't with the T7's ETOPS retrictions, but an SA A340 would have no issues on:

JNB-AKL
JNB-MEL-AKL
JNB-SYD-AKL

All are feasible and via MEL would be a new route that's both quicker and uncompeted for.

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