Candid76
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54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:06 pm

I've just returned from a trip to the Caribbean which turned out to be something of an adventure! A hydraulic problem with 9Y-JIL on leaving Bridgetown last Saturday night led to a two day unscheduled stay in Port of Spain, involving the most unbelievable catalogue of incompetence, excuses and disorganisation I've ever seen! Eventually we were sent back to Manchester via LHR two days later after BWIA claimed they didn't have enough money to subcharter.

A full report will be posted in Trip Reports as soon as I get the chance, maybe next week, believe me it will be well worth a look!
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:56 pm

They should have kept the reliable L1011s Big grin
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:38 pm

Just check out the Skyxtrax website (www.airlinequality.com) under airline opinions - BWIA. Delays of this nature involving BW seem to be the norm.
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:41 pm

Candid76 - I am sorry to hear of your delay and look forward to reading your trip report.

Your experience with BWIA confirms that their nicknames - But Will It Arrive? and Britain's Worst Investment Abroad - might be appropriate.
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:42 pm

54 Hours!!!! Wow you were Luckly.


Last year my work collegue was "stranded" for 4 full days, due to Technical problems.

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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:58 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 3):

BWIA - Had heard that it called for Best Walk if Able!
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:06 am

I don't understand doesn't VS and or BMI fly from Manchester? Why did you take BWIA?

Yes- I've heard the Better Walk if Able acro as well
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting Candid76 (Thread starter):

Stuck in the Caribbean! My heart goes out to you.
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
They should have kept the reliable L1011s

Agreed, the service seems to have been a little better then....not that it was that much better.....but I guess a 12hr delay was better than 54hrs.
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:24 am

My worst on BW is only 38 hours, so you got me beat.
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting BBJII (Reply 4):
54 Hours!!!! Wow you were Luckly

Ahhh...WestIndian! I see they are still up to their old tricks. Better Walk If Able is famous for doing that.

Long time ago they called massive delays 'rescheduling' and if the poor passengers didn't have a contact number in the pnr, they had to endure what you went through. It was no fun being an agent for WestIndian. We'd be sitting around waiting for the departure script to show up and then you'd hear the printer going crazy! That was a sign of 'rescheduling'. At least this happened at Piaco where they can (sometimes do something). When the break down happens in another station like UVF/BGI/ANU you gotta wait for the part to be flown in. I got so many stories about BWEE that would make your eyes fall out.

Seems like the 'BUS' is starting to having issues just as my dear L1011's had. Imagine you are racing down the runway, almost to rotation and the b*tch comes to a grinding halt, the seat belt cuts into your skin and you bounce around like lottery ball! El captain said it was 'a hydraulic issue'.  faint 

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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:45 am

I worked with BW at BGI from '88 until '93. The stories I could tell you... I remember BW609 was an overnight YYZ-BGI-POS service arriving at BGI at around 4:30 AM - would often overfly BGI and go direct to POS supposedly due to maintenance. We would joke that the Trini (Trinidadian) crew just wanted to get home sooner! Of course, the passengers in BGI traveling to POS to connect to GEO, TAB, and AUA weren't too happy... neither were the BGI staff.

2 and 3 day delays were not "rare occurrences" - I can remember more than 5. It was tough to work with BW becuase as West Indians, we all had some pride in working for BeeWee - being around since 1940 means that most of us grew up with some BeeWee experiences either with family visiting from abroad or traveling with BeeWee.

I used to defend BW a bit - the service could be very good (at least before IFE and flat first class seating came around) and I've been on many on-time fights with excellent service. But, the bad ones are talked about more often!

My humble opinion? It's time for BeeWee to "retire". It's a financial drain on the government and "brand loyalty" isn't as great as before... People fly the cheapest and don't base airline choice on whether or not it's patriotic much. I've tried many times to fly home (to BGI) on BW but always find better fares on US, AA, AC, and now DL. LIAT could pick up the airbridge service between TAB and POS and otherwise other carriers could pick up the slack in N. America and Europe services. I'd like to see LI become stronger and consider regional jets for longer routes and even expand out to KIN or MBJ (like back in the 70s).

BW just can't compete with the big "foreign" carriers by offering poor service (more often than not according to reports), unreliable operations, no stong alliances, and NO MONEY. POS really can't become a hub for S. American routes as is discussed because Copa seems to have that wrapped up. Also, they're good at what they do!*
*backing from CO helps too...

BW is best remembered as a part of West Indian history that served our nations well. I don't think they can carry out that role any longer...
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:40 am

Gee, why is BWIA still flying when it doesn't have any money for subcharter.

Why is it still flying???? 54 hours!!!!!!!!!!!



Did they compensate you during you trip??
 
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:05 am

This is sad news indeed, and it looks like history repeating itself. We know the definition of insanity is to continue doing the same things and expect a different result. BWIA needs to either work very hard to restructure quickly (and cut that pride thing out -- seek outside help if necessary), or the wonderful government of T&T should just squash and start over.

Quoting Turk223 (Reply 11):
My humble opinion? It's time for BeeWee to "retire". It's a financial drain on the government and "brand loyalty" isn't as great as before...

I totally agree. I feel the same way, as I've grown up flying BWIA JFK-POS/UVF/BGI/GND.

Perhaps it's not as serious as we think, but it certainly is not going well right now. As for alliances, I wonder how the agreement with UA is working.

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persotvik
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:02 pm

What happened to the ARN flights?
It was very exotic to see the BWIA TriStars in Stockholm Smile
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RE: 54 Hour Delay On Bwia!

Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:52 am

I think the ARN flights (BW982/983) ended in '94? I remember is was northbound on Tuesdays and southbound on Wednesdays - I think the routing was POS-TAB-BGI-ARN for 982 and the reverse for 983...

In the early '90s, BeeWee had quite a few European cities being served: LHR, FRA, MUC, CGN, ZRH, and ARN - now it's just LHR and MAN (GLA and BFS - ended VERY quickly recently)... I guess the money wasn't there from the continental Europe flights - the majority of the passengers used IT fares and service was mainly once a week except for LHR (FRA might have been twice a week at one time).

Just a part of BeeWee history...