zvezda
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Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:21 am

Do the recent or proposed enhancements to the B777-300ER bring SFO/LAX-SIN within year-round nonstop range with a full passenger payload?
 
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:26 am

No, not without a special cabin interior and limited payload. Don't think SQ is planning on that.
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:26 am

I very much doubt LAX, maybe SFO-SIN.
 
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:33 am

At 7340nm, SFO-SIN would take some weight restrictions, but the main issue on that route is the massive amount of money SQ makes on the HKG traffic rights. This is the reason the A380 will first go to SFO. The O&D on the route would not be enough to justify the non-stop routing given that cargo would be a no go on the route. LAX-SIN, at 7621nm, would have a very tough time not taking pretty serious restrictions
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
No, not without a special cabin interior and limited payload.

Do you mean the same special interior that is reportedly being offered to QF for the B777-200LR? Is that meant to become standard or will it remain an option?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
This is the reason the A380 will first go to SFO.

I thought that plan had been superceded. There is reportedly doubt about the WhaleJet's ability to fly SFO-HKG nonstop year-round with an acceptable payload.
 
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:59 am

Well it'll be able to carry more payload than any other plane in the fleet. So if that's not acceptable then what is?
 
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 4):
Well it'll be able to carry more payload than any other plane in the fleet. So if that's not acceptable then what is?

If you are talking about:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
There is reportedly doubt about the WhaleJet's ability to fly SFO-HKG nonstop year-round with an acceptable payload.

Then I think what he means is not that the A380 can't carry an acceptable payload, but the weight restrictions that it would have to face in order to make it SFO-HKG nonstop year round would be a number greater than zero.
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:09 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
There is reportedly doubt about the WhaleJet's ability to fly SFO-HKG nonstop year-round with an acceptable payload.

What?!

Jesus christ, no. No there is not. There has never been, except here.

I really don't understand where all this comes from. Its like makebelieve.net

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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:15 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
I really don't understand where all this comes from.

I heard that from a mid-manager at SQ who was my seat-mate once-upon-a-flight. We've kept in touch by email. I didn't post anything about it until PhilSquares did. So, this seems to be the rumour going around SQ. That SQ switched their plan for initial WhaleJet service from SQ1/SQ2 to (SQ317/SQ322 and then later to SIN-SYD) gives some credence to the rumour.
 
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:20 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I thought that plan had been superceded. There is reportedly doubt about the WhaleJet's ability to fly SFO-HKG nonstop year-round with an acceptable payload.

Well, I don't think the A380 is going to lose THAT much range. If anything, the issues would arise with QF doing LAX-MEL.
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:22 am

Could SQ moving to SIN-SYD with their A380s be either a competitve move against QF doing so, or if QF is not planning to run A380s between SYD-SIN to get on to LHR, a punitive move to note their displeasure about the Australian Government denying SQ the right to fly SYD-LAX non-stop?

I mean if 744s can do SFO-HKG and A388s only carry around 100 more people, I'd be pretty shocked that an A388 couldn't do it in "standard" 470-pax config.
 
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RE: Enhanced B777-300ER Capable Of SFO/LAX-SIN?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:47 am

Right now, I think SQ is waiting for the fuel burn test results on the A380-800 flying at standard MTOW for the A388. If it meets the 8,000 nautical mile still-air range guarantee, then the A388 will likely be dispatched on the SQ 001/002 flight route as soon as SQ gets enough planes, given that the segment between SFO and HKG is perhaps SQ's biggest moneymaker virtually year-round.

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