rwsea
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Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:23 am

Below is a link regarding Horizon Air and their Q-400's, as well as the pros and cons of regional jets vs. props:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/5368288p-4856427c.html

A couple points:
1) I find QX's Q200's and Q400's much preferable to RJ's on other carriers.
2) People don't seem to have a huge preference between the two in my experience. I think to someone that doesn't want to fly on a "small plane", a turboprop or a regional jet will be essentially the same in their eyes.
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:40 am

Thanks for the link. I love the Q400 and QX. Even the Q200 is great. I much prefer a flight on the Q200 over either a CRJ or an ERJ.
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:57 am

Boy, I thought it was well written article till he didn't do their research.

"where business isn’t profitable for Alaska to use 120-seat Boeing 737-300s." We have 733?

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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:55 am

I fully agree with Horizon. I wish more airlines would get behind Turboprops. I really love the Q400. I would hope that Air Canada Jazz would be next to place a major order. I think that's what they need to get the ball rolling for the Q400 program and hopefully get other carriers to pay attention.

What do you think would be a reasonable maximum flight length for a Q400? I mean obviously they have their maximum rangem but for example, would it be practical on a route such as YVR to Whitehorse? Basically - is it practical to use a Q400 on let's say a 2.5 hour max flight where yields aren't that high as opposed to a regional jet?
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 3):
What do you think would be a reasonable maximum flight length for a Q400? I mean obviously they have their maximum rangem but for example, would it be practical on a route such as YVR to Whitehorse? Basically - is it practical to use a Q400 on let's say a 2.5 hour max flight where yields aren't that high as opposed to a regional jet?

The Q400's cruise speed (370 IIRC? vs ~420-~440 for an RJ?) basically negates (or so Bombardier claims) an RJ's speed advantage on short sectors (1 hour max, give or take 20 minutes). So the attraction of the Q400 lies in its ability to carry more people (seats 74) for a lot less fuel in about the same time on most "regional routes". Even 2 hours would be pushing it and the Q400 would best be used elsewhere. An RJ is more suited to long thin routes.

Plus, Bombardier touts its cabin comfort and active cabin noise supression system as huge selling points. They are basically marketing it as a high-capacity regional airliner that performs like an RJ, sounds like an RJ, and is more comfortable than an RJ, but doesn't have the RJ's high operating costs. I think they have marketed it extremely well in this respect, unfortunately they haven't gotten that many orders for it.

My perfect fleet mix, if I were starting from scratch, for a regional operation would be the following:

ATR-42-500's or Q200's (40-50 seats) for the short hops

Q400's (74-80 seats) for all medium capacity routes under 1 hour.

ERJ-145LR's (45-55 seats) for long thin routes between 1.5 and 3 hours

ERJ-175's (80 seats) for all medium capacity routes over 1 hour

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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:21 am

Is there any chance of QX ordering any more CRJ's or Bombardier aircraft?? I would assume so if they plan on expanding F9 Express, or if they want to fly on longer distance routes.

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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:27 pm

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 5):
Is there any chance of QX ordering any more CRJ's or Bombardier aircraft??

RTFA.

More CRJ's aren't likely, as they just changed a bunch of CRJ-700s to Q400s. If anything, I'd expect further orders to be for additional Q400s.

Q400s are Bombardier aircraft.
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:12 am

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 6):
Is there any chance of QX ordering any more CRJ's or Bombardier aircraft??

I believe QX already has options on a number of Q400's. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:42 am

Yes; 20 options. "SeaTac-based regional airline Horizon Air canceled commitments last month for new regional jets and substituted orders for 12 more Bombardier Q-400 turboprops. It also took options on 20 more of the 74-seat propjets." (From the article)
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:00 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 3):
What do you think would be a reasonable maximum flight length for a Q400? I mean obviously they have their maximum rangem but for example, would it be practical on a route such as YVR to Whitehorse? Basically - is it practical to use a Q400 on let's say a 2.5 hour max flight where yields aren't that high as opposed to a regional jet?

The Q400 pretty much negates the RJ advantage on stage lengths up to 400 miles. On stages longer than 400 miles, the flight will take longer on the Q400, however there can still be cash savings to operating the Q instead of an RJ on longer stage routes, up to 600 or 700 miles. QX's longest Q400 route, that I know of, is SUN-LAX, a distance of 604.9 nm. It could be used on solid regional routes with considerable cost advantages to current planes.

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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 9):
QX's longest Q400 route, that I know of, is SUN-LAX, a distance of 604.9 nm.

What is SUN and how long is the duration of the flight?
 
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:19 am

Dforce1: 12 new Q400 w/ options for 20.I will look up the stage length when I get to work later. But we use them on LAX-BOI which is just about the same length.

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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 4):
Even 2 hours would be pushing it and the Q400 would best be used elsewhere.

Actually, up to 2 hours and the Q400 competes very well with RJs

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 10):
What is SUN and how long is the duration of the flight?

SUN is Sun Valley, Utah, a very nice ski resort that is popular with Southern Californians, particularly movie stars. Flight time is about 2 hours.
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RE: Interesting Profile Of QX And The Q-400

Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:46 am

N1120A- as a frequent visitor to Sun Valley, I'm afraid I have to correct you on one point in your latest post (post 12). Sun Valley is actually located in Idaho, not Utah. But you're entirely correct about it being extremely popular with Southern Californians and movie stars.
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