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Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:32 am

I was just wondering as to why non of the US based airlines have 777-3xx in their fleet? Also, is 777-3xx a stretch version of a normal 777?

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:36 am

They don't need them is the answer to the first question.

The second question is that it is a simple stretch of the 777-200ER.

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
Also, is 777-3xx a stretch version of a normal 777?

Yes, there are four models of the 777; the 777-200, 777-200ER and the stretched 777-300 and 777-300ER!

The 777-300ER only comes with GE 90 engines!  Smile

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
I was just wondering as to why non of the US based airlines have 777-3xx in their fleet?

There are many topics on this, just do a search  Smile

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:38 am

It's a timing issue. The 772 came out during "good" times for the U.S. aviation industry, the 773 was developed after 9/11 and U.S. airlines with similar fleet types are now broke and/or bankrupt.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3):
It's a timing issue. The 772 came out during "good" times for the U.S. aviation industry, the 773 was developed after 9/11 and U.S. airlines with similar fleet types are now broke and/or bankrupt.

I think this is the best answer Smile

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Yes, there are four models of the 777; the 777-200, 777-200ER and the stretched 777-300 and 777-300ER!

Actually no. There are six models of the B777.

B777-200
B777-200ER
B777-200LR
B777-200F
B777-300
B777-300ER

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
I was just wondering as to why non of the US based airlines have 777-3xx in their fleet?

Many US airlines are not in very good financial state. In other words they cant afford it. In a few years I would expect United and maybe even NW to place an order.

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Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Yes, there are four models of the 777; the 777-200, 777-200ER and the stretched 777-300 and 777-300ER!

There are also the fifth and newest: the B777-200LR and the freighter: B777F.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:48 am

Also, the 773 is best used for short-to-medium-haul high-capacity flights, and many have been sold to NH and JL, for example, to replace older 747s.

So about only NW could use them, to replace their 742s on the Hawaii runs and, maybe, UA to upgauge their two-class 772s.

As for the 773ER, if UA does not buy 748s, the 773ER will probably be in their long range plans.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):

Actually no. There are six models of the B777.

B777-200
B777-200ER
B777-200LR
B777-200F
B777-300
B777-300ER

I meant in service with airlines, but yes you are correct!  Smile
There are 5 varients of the 777 flying currently  Smile

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
They don't need them is the answer to the first question

There are many routes that they could be used. Let's face it - The US Airlines are in the worst state of ANY westernised region. Simple they CANT AFFORD them
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:02 am

Why dont the US carriers fly the 773? Quite simply, because they dont need or want the capacity. With US carriers focused on multiple hubs and high frequency departures, there is little interest in such a high capacity airliner. Most US carriers are better off flying two 757s on a given route over one 773, as more connection possibilities are created with two distinct flights.

The new longer range 773ER has also not landed any orders from US carriers for similiar reasons.....too many seats. DL, CO and AA, for example, have determined that the 772ER is ideal for their operations and have little interest in adding larger aircraft to their fleet. The 773ER could make sense at NW or UA for their very large pacific operations and as a 744 replacement, but neither airline is in the financial position to even consider a large order for the type at the moment.

The 773ER, like the 744, will see few sales in the US market for passenger use.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:05 am

actually there was some speculation that we at CO were looking to get some to replace them on our HNL routes...........
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3):
the 773 was developed after 9/11 and U.S. airlines with similar fleet types are now broke and/or bankrupt.

Uh...the original aircraft rolled out in the spring of 1998, it had 3 years to act as if riding the first versions wave of success.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:40 am

AC will be the only airline in North America to offer the 777-200LR and 777-300ER to ASIA and international.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:50 am

No doubt, 9-11 had little to do with the lack of US-based 773 orders.
We don't fly it here for the same reason that we don't fly 747s here: TOO BIG. Northwest and United can get away with it SOMETIMES (I say sometimes because a lot of NW's Asian service got down graded to A320s, 757s, and D10's at one time in recent years). But really, the rest of the airlines prefer frequency over capacity.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
As for the 773ER, if UA does not buy 748s, the 773ER will probably be in their long range plans.

Yes, at some time in the future, UA will order the B777-300ER, the B747-8, or both, but not before ordering the B787.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):

Yes, at some time in the future, UA will order the B777-300ER, the B747-8, or both, but not before ordering the B787.

Unless, of course, Airbus makes a major investment in UA by providing a part of the exit financing that UA will need when it emerges from bankruptcy and conditions the loan on UA placing an order for Airbus aircraft. Yes, I am talking about a deal similiar to the one Airbus made with US/HP......Airbus agreed to lend the new airline $250 million, in turn, HP/US has now agreed to acquire twenty (20) A350s.

With UA still working its way out of the bankruptcy proceeding, its very difficult to determine if and when new aircraft orders will be placed, and for which types.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:51 am

Well GE is helping providing some of UA's exit financing, so by that logic, it seems to auger 773ER, 772LR, 787 and 748 orders...

And I still do not believe US bought A350s solely because Airbus gave them $250 million. I think the A350 was always their plan, since they lack both 777s and 747s so they need something bigger then an A333/787-9 to match the capacity their domestic competitors can offer and Boeing has yet to pull the trigger for or against the 787-10.

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
Well GE is helping providing the exit financing, so by that logic, it seems to auger 773ER, 772LR, 787 and 748 orders...

Funny, UA can give GEAE the bird, but not GE Capital and their money.
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:09 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Unless, of course, Airbus makes a major investment in UA by providing a part of the exit financing that UA will need when it emerges from bankruptcy and conditions the loan on UA placing an order for Airbus aircraft.

Sorry to disappoint you, but those loans have already been negotiated and agreed to. Airbus is not one of the lenders. Neither is Boeing.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:36 am

I recall reading somewhere the weight problem with the 777-300 is another reason. The footprint of the 777-300 is so small, that all the weight is in one area, and airport operators were concerned of damage to taxiways etc. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking at this time only JFK and IAH are handling the 777-300ER.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
I recall reading somewhere the weight problem with the 777-300 is another reason. The footprint of the 777-300 is so small, that all the weight is in one area, and airport operators were concerned of damage to taxiways etc.

Sorry, that's not even close to true. Both the A340-500 and the A340-600 have higher MTOW and the latter has a higher MLW than the B777-300ER which has more wheels to distribute that weight than either of the Airbii.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Why dont the US carriers fly the 773? Quite simply, because they dont need or want the capacity.

I really don't believe this often quoted fact. I believe many of the majors could use it on several routes that would justify having a fleet of 5-20 aircraft. If AC can use it I believe UA, NW, AA, DL, and CO could use it. There are routes where CO sends a 777 or a 767 and then a 757, I know frequency is sometimes good, but a 777-300 would cover 2 of those flights pretty nicely.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting AC787 (Reply 22):
I really don't believe this often quoted fact. I believe many of the majors could use it on several routes that would justify having a fleet of 5-20 aircraft. If AC can use it I believe UA, NW, AA, DL, and CO could use it. There are routes where CO sends a 777 or a 767 and then a 757, I know frequency is sometimes good, but a 777-300 would cover 2 of those flights pretty nicely.

Yes but can they profitably sustain the route year round. Air Canada is the only home based International carrier in Canada. In the Unuted States, you have AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, & US. The only possibility would be UA & NW for the asian routes. However with NW ordering the B787, They plan to overfly NRT for the most part. So only a few 77W may be needed. UA would me the best hope for it in the United States.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:00 am

Quoting Islandboy (Reply 23):
The only possibility would be UA & NW for the asian routes.

I'm sure united could use the 777-300 to European destinations such as FRA, LHR.

Quoting Islandboy (Reply 23):
Air Canada is the only home based International carrier in Canada. In the Unuted States, you have AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, & US.

And the united states has a population thats 10 times larger then Canada's. And most of these airlines, if not all, carry more passengers then AC despite facing more competition. With the amount of feed some airlines can get to there respective hubs, and with some very high performing routes, I think the 773 could be used by many american carrieres... if only they were in better financial shape.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
I recall reading somewhere the weight problem with the 777-300 is another reason. The footprint of the 777-300 is so small, that all the weight is in one area, and airport operators were concerned of damage to taxiways etc.

Paris-Orly whined about this to AF about their 773ERs, but in the end the plane didn't cause any damage (if they even operate there).

Quoting AC787 (Reply 24):
I'm sure united could use the 777-300 to European destinations such as FRA, LHR.

UA serves LHR only because they have to, I think. Much like JFK.  Smile

As for FRA, they and LH seem to have enough general capacity, though UA has added a third frequency from IAD using a 763, so they now operate one of each (744, 772, 763) between the two cities.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
No doubt, 9-11 had little to do with the lack of US-based 773 orders.
We don't fly it here for the same reason that we don't fly 747s here: TOO BIG

I think it wasn't 9/11, but the general aviation downturn. "Wrong plane, wrong time."

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
Sorry, that's not even close to true. Both the A340-500 and the A340-600 have higher MTOW and the latter has a higher MLW than the B777-300ER which has more wheels to distribute that weight than either of the Airbii.

I thought the 777-300ER had the highest runway loading (per square unit of choice) of any of the large jets.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
Paris-Orly whined about this to AF about their 773ERs, but in the end the plane didn't cause any damage (if they even operate there).

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting AC787 (Reply 22):
I really don't believe this often quoted fact. I believe many of the majors could use it on several routes that would justify having a fleet of 5-20 aircraft. If AC can use it I believe UA, NW, AA, DL, and CO could use it. There are routes where CO sends a 777 or a 767 and then a 757, I know frequency is sometimes good, but a 777-300 would cover 2 of those flights pretty nicely.

AA already looked at the 773 in the past, pre-Sept. 11, and came to the conclusion that they could use it on some routes, but only for certain seasonal periods only. They would not be able to fill the 773 on enough routes to operate profitably year round.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:19 pm

Quoting AC787 (Reply 24):
I'm sure united could use the 777-300 to European destinations such as FRA, LHR.

Very plausible. However UA has practically new B744 and B777. There really isn't a need for a order just now. Not to mention if Bermuda 2 is dropped, it would be interesting to see if larger equipment would be used in LHR, with all the extra seats coming into the market. What happens also when the European season drops as it normally does in winter.

Quoting AC787 (Reply 24):
And the united states has a population thats 10 times larger then Canada's. And most of these airlines, if not all, carry more passengers then AC despite facing more competition. With the amount of feed some airlines can get to there respective hubs, and with some very high performing routes, I think the 773 could be used by many american carrieres... if only they were in better financial shape.

Yes..but, American people prefer frequency. Most carriers have multiple hubs, not just a solitary one. All carriers could use the B77W for a select few routes. But it doesn't justify operating a sub-fleet of 3 or 4, with different engines (only CO uses GE).
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:38 pm

US airlines don´t have 773s because US airlines are just too cheap. I guess its the same reason why they don´t have any version of 747s, and why they won´t ever have any 380s either. The US air travel system may be efficient in many ways, but any trace of the old glamour of flying is totally absent from US airline travel, from food to onboard service, to check-in, any aspect you look at.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:20 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
They don't need them is the answer to the first question.

Can't afford them is more likely!
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting Islandboy (Reply 23):
However with NW ordering the B787, They plan to overfly NRT for the most part.

Where did you get the info that NW plans to overfly NRT? Do you have any details of this, because Northwest has never said this.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Why dont the US carriers fly the 773? Quite simply, because they dont need or want the capacity. With US carriers focused on multiple hubs and high frequency departures, there is little interest in such a high capacity airliner. Most US carriers are better off flying two 757s on a given route over one 773, as more connection possibilities are created with two distinct flights.

The new longer range 773ER has also not landed any orders from US carriers for similiar reasons.....too many seats. DL, CO and AA, for example, have determined that the 772ER is ideal for their operations and have little interest in adding larger aircraft to their fleet. The 773ER could make sense at NW or UA for their very large pacific operations and as a 744 replacement, but neither airline is in the financial position to even consider a large order for the type at the moment.


The 773ER, like the 744, will see few sales in the US market for passenger use.

Question: Do you think this will mean US commercial carriers will not be ordering any A380's?
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 31):
Where did you get the info that NW plans to overfly NRT? Do you have any details of this, because Northwest has never said this.

I believe NW has said they plan to use the B787 to serve a few existing and new cities in asia. Logic then says, they won't need NRT as mch as a re-fueling point. Their hub will still be there but probably smaller.
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting Islandboy (Reply 33):
I believe NW has said they plan to use the B787 to serve a few existing and new cities in asia

I don't recall Northwest ever saying this. The Narita hub will be even larger!
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
UA serves LHR only because they have to, I think. Much like JFK

With the exception of JFK-LHR, United does VERY well on its routes to London from SFO, ORD and IAD. Three times daily (4 in the summer) from IAD, for example, is not bad...and the cargo is heavy, too.

Back to the thread subject....expect an order for new planes from United after it exits from bankruptcy next February. I'm sure all widebody proposals from Airbus and Boeing, including the 773, will be considered.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
B777-200F

It's acually called the B777-200LRF
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Ourboeing (Thread starter):
I was just wondering as to why non of the US based airlines have 777-3xx in their fleet?

because US based airlines are struggling to fill a 777-200 let alone trying to fill a -300 series.
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting Cores001 (Reply 29):
US airlines don´t have 773s because US airlines are just too cheap. I guess its the same reason why they don´t have any version of 747s, and why they won´t ever have any 380s either. The US air travel system may be efficient in many ways, but any trace of the old glamour of flying is totally absent from US airline travel, from food to onboard service, to check-in, any aspect you look at.

Brilliant reasoning.  Yeah sure And this is coming from the continent served by Ryanair and a whole slew of European LCC's.

If anyone has flown around in the US, one would see that frequency over capacity is much more important here. It's one of the reasons that only UA and NW operate 744's.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 34):
I don't recall Northwest ever saying this. The Narita hub will be even larger!

Where will the money for the hub getting "larger" come from?

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Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 27):
AA already looked at the 773 in the past, pre-Sept. 11, and came to the conclusion that they could use it on some routes, but only for certain seasonal periods only. They would not be able to fill the 773 on enough routes to operate profitably year round.

IIRC did'nt AA put up a fuss that it was only going to be offered with GE engines and not RR.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:58 am

"I was just wondering as to why non of the US based airlines have 777-3xx in their fleet? Also, is 777-3xx a stretch version of a normal 777? "

Because its expensive and most of them are in Ch11 ???
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:39 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 39):
Where will the money for the hub getting "larger" come from?

The infrastructure is already there at Narita. To make it larger does not require a large capital outlay. I'm sure you knew that.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:44 am

American carriers have carried-over for years lots of financial baggage, thus operating on red and making them so uncertain for real growth.
Right now, the management of all carriers are focused on survival, instead of pushing their airlines to grow.

Whoever believes that because american carriers have multiple hubs as the reason for not aircraft growth, is not analyzing the situation correctly. If you look at cities instead of of a particular airline's hub, you will see that most international hubs are in cities with millions of people, enough to allow many flights with big planes, and that is not including all the extra connecting passengers which should more than guarantee the need for bigger planes. The real problem as to why us carriers can't fill their existing planes (let alone bigger ones) is that passengers choose to travel on airlines (from the very same hubs) with better service oppose to mediocre service by US carriers.... the example of jetblue shows you that people want better service, something that american legacy carriers can't compete against many international airlines.

Not only that, look at Lufthansa, they have multiple hubs, and they have a huge fleet of big planes... same with AF-KLM, 2 hubs, and their fleet is ever expanding with bigger aircraft... Is all about how management handles their companies. US carriers order planes as needed, not as one would desired, because they are afraid of loosing more money and have no vision of real growth. Is really the selfishness of the management and all the unions that keep these airlines so behind in service and aircraft growth. If they would change the management, and make their heads of the company cut their salaries at least in the same proportion that they want to cut their pilots, f/a, mxs, etc, and start real reorganization in their corporate company, I'm sure then they would be able to be more aggressive as their European or Asian counterparts. By looking at how the companies in the rest of the world operate, is sad to see how american companies are perhaps the worst in service, with expensive tickets for flights that don't offer anything free (ok, maybe a soda).

I say, change management, put that money on service, you'll see US carriers ordering A380s.... sadly, it will never happen, management and unions are too selfish to cut their salaries and bonuses!!
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
As for the 773ER, if UA does not buy 748s, the 773ER will probably be in their long range plans.

I really hope to see 773ER's in our fleet-- a widebody fleet of all 777's is a pretty thing! Huge savings on training and many parts as well!

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 32):
Do you think this will mean US commercial carriers will not be ordering any A380's?

I'll go further than that. I don't expect any Western Hemisphere carriers to order any WhaleJets -- ever -- except for small package carriers like FedEx and UPS.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 36):
It's acually called the B777-200LRF

No. It's officially the B777F.

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 44):
I really hope to see 773ER's in our fleet-- a widebody fleet of all 777's is a pretty thing! Huge savings on training and many parts as well!

Eventually, UA will order either the B777-300ER or the B747-8 or both. However, a B787 order is very likely, so a widebody fleet of all B777s is most unlikely to be seen at UA.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:45 am

Back to what Alnight was saying, there is also a east coast bias with airline management. Do you realize that from SFO and LAX there is only one flight to an European city besides London (that is UA's 900 to Frankfurt) that is operated by a american air carrier. I for one don't like getting up early in the morning to catch a flight to the east coast to arrive in Paris at 7am, when I can catch an Air France which arrives at 11am, which means the hotel room will be ready or its still early enough to catch a connection to another city.
 
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:10 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 36):
It's acually called the B777-200LRF

It definitely is not. Its the 777-200F.

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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:13 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 47):
It definitely is not. Its the 777-200F.

Dear Mr. Gigneil,

It is the "777 Freighter" or "777F." Witness:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/pf/pf_freighter_product.html

You and I know it could be considered a "777-200F," but officially, it is not.
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RE: Why None Of US Airlines Have 777-3xx?

Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:45 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Why dont the US carriers fly the 773? Quite simply, because they dont need or want the capacity. With US carriers focused on multiple hubs and high frequency departures, there is little interest in such a high capacity airliner. Most US carriers are better off flying two 757s on a given route over one 773, as more connection possibilities are created with two distinct flights.

US carriers are perhaps basically launching/supporting Boeing's strategy.....?

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