crjflyer35
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AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:40 am

I know AA 777's use the Flagship Suite on certain Trans-Atlantic routes (ie JFK-LHR)
Do they also use it for Trans-Pacific NRT-ORD / DFW route? Or is that still standard 2-2-2 First class seating?
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commavia
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:53 am

AA's 777 fleet is slowly being transitioned to all having the Flagship Suite. Not all 777s currently have them, but they all will within 1-2 years. However, that being said, if you fly AA to NRT today, you stand a good chance of getting a Flagship Suite, as they are now flying the Pacific.
 
dutchjet
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
AA's 777 fleet is slowly being transitioned to all having the Flagship Suite. Not all 777s currently have them, but they all will within 1-2 years. However, that being said, if you fly AA to NRT today, you stand a good chance of getting a Flagship Suite, as they are now flying the Pacific.

Yes, it does seem that the former divison between the Atlantic and Pacific configurations is a thing of the past, with AA flying both layouts to destinations world wide.

Isnt a one to two year window a rather long time frame to update the former "Pacific" configuration 777s with the Flagship Suite set-up? Any information as to why AA is not moving faster to streamline its 777 operations and have all of the aircraft with the same configuration?
 
commavia
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Any information as to why AA is not moving faster to streamline its 777 operations and have all of the aircraft with the same configuration?

One word: M-O-N-E-Y. The 777s are being reconfigured as they come into AFW for overhauls (or MBVs, Main Base Visits).
 
dutchjet
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):

One word: M-O-N-E-Y. The 777s are being reconfigured as they come into AFW for overhauls (or MBVs, Main Base Visits).

A simple answer that makes sense......thanks.
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:15 am

What is the "flag ship service"
 
dutchjet
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5):
What is the "flag ship service"

Over the years, going way back, AA has used the FLAGSHIP term for its premium and best services.....now certain 777s in the AA fleet have individual suites (pods) for each pax and the marketing folks at AA call this layout a Flagship Suite.
 
crjflyer35
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:44 am

Thanks for the help. I'll be flying NRT-ORD a few days before Christmas First Class, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5):
What is the "flag ship service"



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
Over the years, going way back, AA has used the FLAGSHIP term for its premium and best services.....now certain 777s in the AA fleet have individual suites (pods) for each pax and the marketing folks at AA call this layout a Flagship Suite.

The term Flagship applies to all three-class service flights. When the flight attendants make the standard "Welcome Aboard" announcement, it usually includes something along the lines of "Welcome aboard American Airlines flagship service to XXX." It's been a while since I've flown AA, but IIRC even the flight attendants have a Flagship blazer they wear in-flight (grey houndstooth?). This is both for international destinations with three-class aircraft as well as transcontinental three-class service.
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AEROFAN
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:35 pm

ah ic thanks for the info. when i think of flagship - i sort of think of something great and wonderful, awesome,spectacular, somewhat out of the ordinary
 
crjflyer35
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 9):
when i think of flagship - i sort of think of something great and wonderful, awesome,spectacular, somewhat out of the ordinary

I'm not sure if you looked it up, but here are the differences in the First Class cabin.

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for option 2 for my flight in 2 weeks
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:13 am

The Flagship seats are far better than the coffins of old. If you are traveling by yourself the window seat is the best option, and the middle seats if you are traveling with someone. If you want to be sure of what you are getting call AA and ask the reservations agent which seats are on the plane. They can tell as there is only one window seat on the Flagship flights. (For that long a flight I would change the schedule if I was going to get the coffins.)
 
crjflyer35
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
(For that long a flight I would change the schedule if I was going to get the coffins.)

Ehh, I made the flight over here in Economy from KSEA-RKSO on a World Airways MD-11, any first class will be an improvement.
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:33 am

Quoting TWAAF9 (Reply 8):
Thanks for the help. I'll be flying NRT-ORD a few days before Christmas First Class, so I'll keep my fingers crossed

The easy way to find out, click below AA check available seats

[Edited 2005-12-05 19:35:44]
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:09 am

thanks a lot for the info. i'm flying to the caribbean for christmas in first to miami and then in business the rest of the way. ac is a 757 on both legs so i guess it is just a regular business seat all the way then
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:21 am

I have two questions:
1. How does AA compete against JAL and UA who both offer superior seating products and more seats on this route than AA? United alone has 24-25 seats on the route daily, and JAL has around 11, both of which are nicer pod-like seats.
2. Why did AA start out with the two configurations in the first place. By the time they were getting thier first 777's, BA had already installed pod seating, and UA might have already started installing their First Suite. Plus their Pacific flights were longer than their Atlantic flights- shouldn't they have gotten the suites first?
 
crjflyer35
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting Luniew (Reply 13):
The easy way to find out, click below AA check available seats

I never saw that tool, thanks. I looked it up, and unfortuanately it looks like old standard 2-2-2. Stay tuned for my trip report after that leg.
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:57 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 15):
I have two questions:
1. How does AA compete against JAL and UA who both offer superior seating products and more seats on this route than AA? United alone has 24-25 seats on the route daily, and JAL has around 11, both of which are nicer pod-like seats.
2. Why did AA start out with the two configurations in the first place. By the time they were getting thier first 777's, BA had already installed pod seating, and UA might have already started installing their First Suite. Plus their Pacific flights were longer than their Atlantic flights- shouldn't they have gotten the suites first?

I don't know the answers to your questions, but changing all 777s to the same First Class configuration does help them lower costs (scheduling of aircraft, maintenance, parts, etc). And with fuel prices as high as they are, I think the cost factor is one reason why all 777s are changing to the suite configuration.
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 15):
2. Why did AA start out with the two configurations in the first place. By the time they were getting thier first 777's, BA had already installed pod seating, and UA might have already started installing their First Suite. Plus their Pacific flights were longer than their Atlantic flights- shouldn't they have gotten the suites first?

And UA have indicated that they will upgrade First and Business in 2006 so it seems AA is a bit late on the upgrade here and will constantly try and play catch up now!
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:07 am

well United actually has not released any details about how they are going to update their first and business class cabins yet... I think AA is actually ahead this time. Its first class will change to the suite configuration and J will be the "sliding" lie flat seats. Despite AA will not complete the whole reconfiguration till 2007, United has not released anything yet. Some of United First suites definitely need a nice update in terms of upholsery and maybe a more advance PTV system and a bigger TV. But I guess UA can't really do much till they are out of bankruptcy and gains more comfort with their finances. United Business is actually fine... the seats are pretty comfortable and the 55-57" of legroom is good, but I guess eventually it will have to change to a lie flat seats.

On a side note, I was asked to do a survey for NWA a week ago about their future WBC seats on Boeing 787s. One of the questions is do you prefer the lie flat seats or the cradle seats?

I guess AA and UA are under pressure to update its F and J cabin soon especially some airlines are actually introducing a second generation of real full flat lie flat J seats and updating their first class suites.

Carfield
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:16 am

I know someone at UA and he said that as soon as they had the money, they would try and get new seats. They know their competition and are going to try and make them better than that, which I think means that they might be full-flat instead of lie-flat.
 
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RE: AA First Class Cabins

Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:37 am

The reason for two different first class cabins is competition. The AA T7s were delivered, at least initially, with the coffin style seat. AA then reconfigured however many to fly transatlantic with the Flagship Suite. There is much more competition transatlantic than transpacific... this is the reason AA gave for the two different cabins. Also, just FYI, the j and y class cabins were different between the two also. The Pacific fleet had more j-class seats and less y, whereas the atlantic fleet had less j-class and more y. Now, the j and y classes are standardized with 35 seats in j-class and 185 in y.

AA is about to begin installing a new j-class seat on the 763s. Once that is completed, sometime about a year and a half from now, the T7s will get the same new j-class seat as well as those that still have the coffin seats in first will be switched to Flagship Suites. Two reasons for this: standardize the entire aircraft and also AA will face increased competition to Asia as we pick up more destinations and will need the product in order to compete.

AA's Flagship Suite is still very competitive even with new products to be introduced at other airlines. Passengers very much like the suites and I haven't heard them complain about them. IMO, Emirates first class on the A340-500 has got to be one of the most amazing aircraft cabins out there. I believe they set the bar and highly doubt any US carrier will ever get that sophisticated.
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