SaabFA71
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AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:30 am

I was wondering what the future holds for American Eagle and it's BOS operation. Stop me if I'm wrong but it seems that they don't serve as many cities as they used to. I read recently that they pulled out of ORF. They still serve BWI, I think, but I'm concerned they might discontinue that too. I plan to go to Ireland next year on AA, leaving from BWI. It will involve a connection in BOS. Does anyone know what might happen to Eagle's BOS hub and what it's remaining cities and frequencies are for this important international gateway?
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CMK10
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:35 am

AE does alright out of Boston, off the top of my head they have YYZ, LGA, EWR, JFK, RDU, DCA, BWI and YHZ, though I may be wrong about Halifax and I'm sure I'm missing one or two. It is true they have dropped a few routes recently including RIC, ORF and I think YUL went, and HPN left a few years ago, however if the route you buy is axed, I'm sure they'll rebook you.
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commavia
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:14 am

As of this coming summer, Eagle's BOS schedule will include: BGR, BWI, CMH, DCA, EWR, JFK, LGA, RDU, STL and YYZ. A total of 52 daily departures. This is down starkly from the height of Eagle's BOS hub in 2000-2001 (pre-9/11, of course). Eagle at one time flew to, among others, ACK, ALB, BNA, BTV, HPN, PHL, PWM, YHZ, YQB and YUL.

There really were two death kneals for Eagle's BOS hub in the size that it once was. The first was 9/11. It fundamentally changed the economics of the hub, which took a huge hit in demand that is only now beginning to come back, and it make the fare levels on many of the shorter (<1 hr block time) flights Eagle routed through BOS unprofitable. The second killer of Eagle's BOS hub as we once knew it was the Eagle decision to remove the SAABs from the Northeast in 2003. This coincided with closing Eagle's SAAB maintenance base in ALB, and closing the SAAB pilot bases in BOS and JFK. This made many of the routes Eagle operated from BOS completely uneconomic, as you Eagle couldn't fly BOS-ACK or BOS-PWM profitably with an Embraer. The mantle of Eagle's huge BOS operation, the former Business Express hub, was based on the SAAB's economics. The Embraers killed that.
 
MAH4546
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:14 am

Eagle flies these routes from Boston currently:

Bangore, Maine - 3x
Baltimore, Maryland - 5x
Columbus, Ohio - 2x
Montreal - 2x
New York City JFK - 7x
New York City LGA - 9x
Newark - 5x
Raleigh - 7x
St. Louis - 2x
Toronto - 4x
Washington Regan - 7x

Service to Montreal, which was launched as 4x daily this past May, will end on 14 December 2005. In the past year they have also ended service to Islip, Halifax, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Portland (Maine), and Richmond. One of the main reasons is because the planes were needed to be relocated to build up their Miami network.

American Eagle's Baltimore-Boston service is actually ran because it is a government subsidized route, so as long as those subsidies remain, it it safe.
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bwione
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:24 am

How does the "government" subsidize the BWI to Boston route?
 
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:59 am

The American Eagle routes out of BOS are no where near what they were when Business Express flew them. Eagle has destroyed their old network.... BOS - BGR alone was nearly 14 flights a day and in the spring - summer they were ALL PACKED. Eagle closed PWM, and again that was a great city and route for BEX with nearly the same number and results...... Also, 54 flights is a FAR cry from the BEX days of close to 200+ daily departures

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MAH4546
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:17 pm

Quoting Bwione (Reply 4):
How does the "government" subsidize the BWI to Boston route?

There is a lot of military traffic on BOS-BWI, and all of it goes to American Eagle, who has the contract that guarantees that BOS-BWI breaks even.
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MQrampBOS
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
There is a lot of military traffic on BOS-BWI, and all of it goes to American Eagle, who has the contract that guarantees that BOS-BWI breaks even

As long as we hold on to it, and I don't know the contract's status right now. We had a Govt contract on BOS-ORF too, but lost that. That was another reason for dropping the route, as well as what you mentioned about MIA.

Times aren't good for us in BOS, and it's mostly because of the split operation we run. We're just too small for that. Right now they're working on consolidating the operation, which will benefit the passengers (no buses!) but cause a sharp drop in the workforce. Still, if we cut our costs enough, more flights will come from BOS in 2007 (2006 has already been ruled out).

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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:17 pm

Quoting MQrampBOS (Reply 7):
Times aren't good for us in BOS, and it's mostly because of the split operation we run.

You should get on your CSAs about being a$$holes about it. I stood in that awful AA line in Terminal B for 20 minutes a couple weeks ago only to get to the counter and have the guy annoyed that I didn't check in at American Eagle. I mean come on, other carriers have do no such thing and they don't own their f'ing regional carrier.
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navairjax
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:02 pm

Quoting MQrampBOS (Reply 7):
Right now they're working on consolidating the operation, which will benefit the passengers (no buses!) but cause a sharp drop in the workforce.

Isn't that partially because the MQ terminal affects the construction of the new (worthless) runway?
 
SaabFA71
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RE: AA Eagle BOS Routes. How Many Are Left?

Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:10 am

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 1):



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

Thanks for the info. Sounds like BWI-BOS should be a pretty secure route for a while.
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