dforce1
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AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:36 am

LOS ANGELES, Dec. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Air Canada today announced
that it will launch daily non-stop flights between Los Angeles and Edmonton,
Alberta, Canada effective May 1, 2006. Flights will be operated by Air Canada
Jazz with next-generation Bombardier CRJ-705 aircraft featuring all-leather
seating, personal entertainment systems and industry leading space and
comfort. Tickets for flights are now available for sale at aircanada.com or
through travel agents.
"We are delighted to offer the convenience of the only non-stop flights
linking Los Angeles with Edmonton, Alberta," said Ben Smith, Air Canada's vice
president responsible for network planning at Air Canada and Jazz. "The
addition of new jet aircraft to the Air Canada Jazz fleet allows us to pursue
new market opportunities and deploy the right aircraft to meet travel demand
with the best schedules and lowest fares on an everyday basis."
The CRJ-705 aircraft feature all-leather seating and are configured in
two classes of service with 10 window or aisle seats in Executive Class
offering 37 inches of legroom, and 65 window or aisle seats in Hospitality
Class offering an industry leading 34 inches of legroom. All seats will be
equipped with Air Canada's new in-seat personal entertainment system. The
Bombardier CRJ-705 aircraft has a cruising speed of 880 km/h and a range of
more than 3,500 km with a total payload of 7,778 kg including a cargo payload
of 700 kg. Air Canada Jazz will operate a fleet of 15 CRJ-705s by December
2005.
AC8529 departs Los Angeles at 10:50, arriving in Edmonton at 15:05.
AC8528 departs Edmonton at 15:40, arriving in Los Angeles at 18:02.


I find the departure and arrival times a bit odd. They would imply to me that this CRJ 705 is based at Los Angeles. Does AC Jazz operate any other flights to LAX? I can't see the logic in basing this plane at LAX because it has downtime between 18:02 and 10:50 every day - that doesn't seem to me as good aircraft utilisation. But then, the possibility crossed my mind - could AC Jazz be operating any domestic services for US Airways regional out of LAX? (I know that sounds farfetched but I can't seem to rationalize this.)

Also, are jetways used for CRJ705's usually?
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Thread starter):
could AC Jazz be operating any domestic services for US Airways regional out of LAX? (I know that sounds farfetched but I can't seem to rationalize this.)

Jazz is not allowed to operate domestic services for HP/US, even under codeshare, because they are not a domestic carrier and don't have an FAA operating certificate. With the new rules, however, I could see Jazz running a Tecolote flight down to somewhere in Mexico for them.

Quoting DFORCE1 (Thread starter):
Also, are jetways used for CRJ705's usually?

CRJs of all types often use jetways at LAX. They use metal extenders to lock them up together.
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:13 am

Dforce1: Check YVR and YYC inbounds. Maybe it arrives from one of those cities and then goes north from LAX.

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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
Check YVR and YYC inbounds. Maybe it arrives from one of those cities and then goes north from LAX.

YVR-LAX and YYC-LAX are both all Airbus routes
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Thread starter):
I find the departure and arrival times a bit odd. They would imply to me that this CRJ 705 is based at Los Angeles. Does AC Jazz operate any other flights to LAX?

Hey all,

There must be an interlocking route that arrives into LAX from somewhere in Canada ay approx 10am with a departure back from LAX to the original city at approx 1900hrs. Haven't scoured the sched to find it yet but I'm sure some bright spark will find it. Maybe one of the YYC or YVR flights is being down-guaged, perhaps coincidentally with a frequency increase.

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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:18 am

I know AC has tried this route intermittently before with the Airbus. I hope now it is sustainable with the CRJ-705. I think it will be. Wasn't America West flying this route for the past year or so?? I assume they cancelled it recently, like YVR-SAN.
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:28 am

This is not the first time that this route has been attempted......AC has tried this route before. Maybe the CRJ is the answer, although I have my doubts...for whatever reason, airlines seem to have difficulty making transborder flights out of Edmonton work (CO just cancelled service on the YEG-IAG route a few weeks ago).
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:07 am

The reason CO did not do well out of YEG was simple.

One only flight per day and in the last few months, they kept chaning the schedules.

When CO started the YEG route, Edmonton had very few flights to the US.

UA added ORD and is adding SFO on Feb 15

DL is starting SLC in a few days

While HP dropped LAX (not for performance issues), they added much more capacity to both LAS and PHX (more ferquencies and now most flights are mainline)

But AC was never interested in starting new flights out of YEG simply because of the proximity to YYC. if the HP CR90 did well, the Cr705 will do fantastic.

It's getting interesting out West right in Westjet's territory how AC can take advantage of these smaller planes....go get them AC!!!!!
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:15 pm

N1120A: I understand that. But on the schedule, is there a change and maybe a YYC or YVR flight will swap? Sabre doesn't even show the YEG flight yet, so maybe there will be a change.

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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:57 am

the schedule for the spring schedule has not been finalized as of yet, and you can assume that this aircraft will be better utilized when schedule is finalized. Rest assured the schedule will change prior to 1st day of operation. I believe the intention is to have this acft do an early morning from YYC to LAX rtrn to YEG back to LAX and then a PM departure back to YYC.
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 9):
the schedule for the spring schedule has not been finalized as of yet, and you can assume that this aircraft will be better utilized when schedule is finalized. Rest assured the schedule will change prior to 1st day of operation. I believe the intention is to have this acft do an early morning from YYC to LAX rtrn to YEG back to LAX and then a PM departure back to YYC.

Now that would make sense to me.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 7):
But AC was never interested in starting new flights out of YEG simply because of the proximity to YYC. if the HP CR90 did well, the Cr705 will do fantastic.

But I suppose that AC is now interested because they are looking to move away from the hub and spoke system to a new direct point to point service. Therefore the proximity to YYC is no longer relevant, if the demand and yield is there, fly it! I wonder if we'll ever see a new non-stop squeezed out of YYJ in its extremely close proximity to YVR. The cost to get to fly YVR to YYJ is just ridiculous. It would be nice to see more direct flights from YYJ.
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 7):
One only flight per day and in the last few months, they kept changing the schedules.

CO kept changing the schedule to try and generate more traffic for this flight, and it did not work so they dropped it.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 7):
It's getting interesting out West right in Westjet's territory how AC can take advantage of these smaller planes....go get them AC!!!!!

I would highly doubt calling a YEG-LAX route right in WS territory. WS main LAX route is from YYC and seems to be doing very well with the funneling of traffic from YEG, YXE, YQU, etc. into it. We will see in time how this route does, there is a reason AC dropped it a few years ago and it is the same reason HP did, if the route was profitable you keep it, if it is average or not profitable you drop it after a while. That is what happened here... Unprofitable from YEG-LAX direct.
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 9):
I believe the intention is to have this acft do an early morning from YYC to LAX rtrn to YEG back to LAX and then a PM departure back to YYC.

Will the flight crew and FAs be the same for the whole day, YYC-LAX-YEG-LAX-YYC, or will that be too long a workday for them?
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:54 am

Timeair: exactly what I was thinking. Any chance of seeing the 705 in San Francisco. When I left there by buddy at AC said they were looking at bringing them in to had freq. to YVR-SFO.

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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting Yeggerman (Reply 11):
I would highly doubt calling a YEG-LAX route right in WS territory. WS main LAX route is from YYC and seems to be doing very well with the funneling of traffic from YEG, YXE, YQU, etc. into it. We will see in time how this route does, there is a reason AC dropped it a few years ago and it is the same reason HP did, if the route was profitable you keep it, if it is average or not profitable you drop it after a while. That is what happened here... Unprofitable from YEG-LAX direct.

There likely isn't enough traffic to fill a 737 or an 319/320 (100pax+ plus per day, but there is likely enough to operate the CR7 (50-60+ per day). Jazz doesn't have to fill the acft, it just has to get a decent enough yield on the pax it does carry and with offering a Business Class product it should be able to. This flight will likely affect WS as some of those pax that now route thru YYC on WS will prefer non-stop on Jazz. Which would you rather do, a non-stop to LAX on Jazz or route thru YYC on WS if the fares are comparable?
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:16 am

Yeggerman....

According to AC,the flight will provide conveneint connections to YMM and Grande Prairie. I think WJ's YYC-LAX flights will be affacted.

Another thing to look for is whether WJ brings back SFO. UAL will be flying CR90 to YEG starting this coming Feb.
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:19 am

YYC-LAX-YEG-LAX-YYC is too long a day: YYC-LAX-YEG should call it a day.
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:24 am

My guess it timed to allow for connections from the really early morning arrivals from some South America and the South Pacific points and evening departures again to those points.
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:38 am

Quoting Accargo (Reply 14):
Timeair: exactly what I was thinking. Any chance of seeing the 705 in San Francisco. When I left there by buddy at AC said they were looking at bringing them in to had freq. to YVR-SFO.

Look for the 705 in SFO starting in the third week of December, was originally scheduled till spring, now just until early January. It's the same a/c that does the YVR-SAN trip.

Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 16):
YYC-LAX-YEG-LAX-YYC is too long a day: YYC-LAX-YEG should call it a day.

Maximum scheduled duty day is 14 hours
 
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 15):
UAL will be flying CR90 to YEG starting this coming Feb.

Since when does any CR9 fly in United Express colors?
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RE: AC Jazz To Launch Daily YEG-LAX

Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:53 am

N1120A Meant to say CR7...

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