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Indian Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:47 am

I would like to have an ongoing thread about Indian aviation, where news stories, observations, and experiences, which by themselves do not warrant a thread, can be posted. I request all of you to contribute.

Let me start by posting a news article on Spice Jet. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1319455.cms

Quotes:
The Delhi-based low cost carrier, SpiceJet, on Monday announced that it has raised $80m through an issue of foreign currency convertible bonds (FCCBs) in the international market. The subscribers to the bond issue include Goldman Sachs and Istithmar, the private equity arm of the Government of Dubai.

The company has placed orders for 20 Boeing 737-800 aircraft (10 firm & 10 option). The airline plans to add eight to 10 aircraft in ‘06. It also intends to grow aggressively to induct about 30 aircraft in next three years, according to a company release.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):

not a bad idea. I've observed that as both of us are in similar time zone, that way I am among the first to respond to your threads. Also we get to read the indian news site before the folks in India and are ideally suited to start the thread.
carrying forward I had created a blog about Indian Aviation news but somehow got lax about it. Let me put some stuff over there and then will post the link.
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:07 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
carrying forward I had created a blog about Indian Aviation news but somehow got lax about it. Let me put some stuff over there and then will post the link.

Thanks-much appreciated. Have you had your first snowfall in Toronto yet?
I lived in Rochester, NY for seven years and endured 100 plus inch of snow every year. Hope you guys have a mild winter this year.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:24 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):
Thanks-much appreciated. Have you had your first snowfall in Toronto yet?
I lived in Rochester, NY for seven years and endured 100 plus inch of snow every year. Hope you guys have a mild winter this year.

we had our first snowfall on Nov 18th. Have had couple of times since. I spend last winter at YOW and it is worse.
That Bufflo-Niagara region is terrible. I remember 2-3yrs back bufflo had terrible snowfall and snow ploughing vehicles had to be sent from Toronto. I'm sure you must be missing all this in the heat of LAX.
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 3):
That Bufflo-Niagara region is terrible.

Ahhh... good old lake effect snow. Like we don't get enough of that here in Chicago eh?
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:02 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 3):
I'm sure you must be missing all this in the heat of LAX.

You must be kidding. This time of the year the temperatures are around 67 degrees Fahrenheit high, 46 low-no heat. It does get down to 62 high, and 35-40 low in the middle of winter.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 4):
Ahhh... good old lake effect snow. Like we don't get enough of that here in Chicago eh?

Chicago is definitely colder than Buffalo-Niagara but much less snow. One winter in early nineties, I attended a trade show in Chicago flying in from Madras. I left 80 degrees F and landed on a day when the wind chill factor was about minus 45-the coldest I ever experienced.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:10 pm

 
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:22 pm

Hi guys,

I think this is a great idea. I'm down here in San Diego, originally from north India. Would be cool to keep this thread updated!

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Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:17 pm

Jet Airways to buy a second 737 simulator. Link:
http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1000740&CatID=4
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This is second full flight B737-800 simulator that the airline is installing for training pilots, after more than a decade. With the airline planning to induct 12 more B737-800 next year, it would require more than 60 pilots to be trained on simulators. The new simulator, the delivery of which is expected some time late next year, would meet not only in-house pilot training, but also the requirement of other airlines.

Currently, the airline offers simulator-training services to Air India on its B737-800 simulator, which was installed in the mid-90s. “We inducted three B737-800 in February this year. Since we do not have the facility to train pilots for 737-800 aircraft, we train them at Jet’s training centre. We have trained around 15-20 Air India Express pilots at their facility,” says Air India spokesperson Jitendra Bargava.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:23 pm

Good idea. I am all for it.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):
You must be kidding. This time of the year the temperatures are around 67 degrees Fahrenheit high, 46 low-no heat. It does get down to 62 high, and 35-40 low in the middle of winter.

Dude, I envy you. I used to live in Arizona and the winters there were a piece of cake. Now I live in the Washington DC area and we had a pretty bad snowfall yesterday. Driving to work was a nightmare this morning.

Oh well!!

Lets talk desi aviation..shall we?

Cheers

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Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:06 pm

Was passing by Kochi airport when i saw a paramount EMB170 taxing towards the runway.

Question:

Has Paramount airlines begun commercial operations? what are its routes currently? If anyone has tried it out pls share your views....

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Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting Flyhigh@tom (Reply 12):

Paramount is operating on CJB-DEL-CJB and DEL-COK-DEL sectors.
An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:22 am

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 13):

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/Vector123/DSC01889e.jpg
LINK
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:27 am

Praful Patel, Aviation minister replying to questions in Parliament. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1320127.cms

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There is no proposal to develop a new Greenfield airport in Delhi, Minister of State for Civil Aviation Praful Patel informed the Rajya Sabha on Tuesday. In a written reply, however, he said that the state government of Maharashtra has proposed to set up a new Greenfield airport at Navi Mumbai.

Replying to another question, Patel said Government of Kerala proposes to set up an airline to operate flights to Gulf region.

The Aviation Minister said that Government of Tamil Nadu has a proposal to set up an Aviation University at Madurai to impart training to pilots, engineers, air traffic control personnel, airfield safety operators, communication specialists, aerodrome managers and other allied disciplines.

He informed the Upper House that a few International airlines have decided to fly only in the day time during the ensuing winter season in Delhi.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:45 am

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 11):
Dude, I envy you. I used to live in Arizona and the winters there were a piece of cake. Now I live in the Washington DC area and we had a pretty bad snowfall yesterday. Driving to work was a nightmare this morning.

2 inches of snow in is not "bad" its just that people in DC dont know how to drive in the snow ..... ! My GF is here from Indiana - and she was laughin after seeing that most schools have had a delayed start this morning ......
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:16 am

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=59591

just caught this on IExp - cant help but think Mallaya is building castles in the air - the lineup of future (key word) purchases by KF Airlines is impressive enough to be unreal - but doesnt it sound like the roadshow to start selling KF in an IPO has already begun ?
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:23 am

Great idea...will definitely like to contribute...and ask Smile

Anyone has any inputs or drawings of proposed hub at Nagpur? Also, timelines for this....

Thanks
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
In a written reply, however, he said that the state government of Maharashtra has proposed to set up a new Greenfield airport at Navi Mumbai.

Is this a serious proposal? Bombay deserves a world class airport and I hope one is built looking forward to 2025. Would they keep the existing airport for domestic flights?

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
The Aviation Minister said that Government of Tamil Nadu has a proposal to set up an Aviation University at Madurai to impart training to pilots, engineers, air traffic control personnel, airfield safety operators, communication specialists, aerodrome managers and other allied disciplines.

Excellent Idea. If done well, it could attract foreigners for lower cost training and this sector, in about 10 years, could take off like software sector.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
In a written reply, however, he said that the state government of Maharashtra has proposed to set up a new Greenfield airport at Navi Mumbai.

A new airport at Navi Mumbai is a Utopian dream unless they build high speed expressways to approach the same from different parts of the city...else it will be a torturous journey....even the much touted Mumbai-Pune expressway starts only at Panvel and to reach the starting point is sheer torture....thereafter, smooth driving....

What the Govt. needs to do is overcome their love for votebanks  frown  and clear all the slums on the airport property.....will provide plenty of space for expanding apron and terminals.....the only challenge is runways....although there are two, they are intersecting....can a single runway at a time handle all the traffic? Or is it feasible to use the intersecting runways simultaneously for T/O's and landings (one on each...)?

What do you all think???
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:07 pm

What happened to Pomnath? Seems like his critical comments about VS product/service must have had its effect-last I heard VS was offering LHR-BOM RT for US$ 400 in peak season. Big grin

Did SRB put out a "Supari" on Pomnath.  tombstone   Big grin
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:20 pm

Jet Airways is planning a Freight airline in about 2-3 years. Link:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1319469.cms

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We are studying the various aspects of the cargo business and envisage having a freighter airline over the next two to three years, catering to the domestic and international markets.

At present, Jet offers cargo carriage facilities by letting out the belly space of its passenger fleet. It also has cargo facilities that are used by several courier companies, besides the postal department and international airlines.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:28 pm

Air Deccan to add 80 more aircrafts in about 6 years. Link:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=183067&cat=India

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Air Deccan, the commonman's airline known for providing low cost service in 46 destinations in the country, is set to expand the reach further by adding one aircraft to its fleet every month over the next more than six years.

''We have signed a contract for 80 aircraft to add to our existing fleet of 23 over the next 80 months,'' Air Deccan Managing Director Capt G R Gopinath said. One aircraft would be supplied every month, he added.

Capt Gopinath said with the expansion of the services, the airlines would be able to lower down the prices further.

[Edited 2005-12-07 06:40:02]
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:34 pm

Air Deccan planning a residential flying school near Bangalore Airport. Link:
http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14024547

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Low-cost carrier Air Deccan is planning to set up a residential flying school in Bangalore for training pilots, engineers and airhostesses. The proposed facility will be set up in a 15-acre land near Bangalore International Airport. They are in the process of acquiring land for the project.

The airline has tied up with Canadian firm CAE for training modules with two full-motion simulators, flight-training device and simulator maintenance service. For the first three months, CAE would provide training equipment and services for its Airbus A320 and ATR 42/72 fleets. This school will be a one-stop training solutions for Air Deccan as it will provide training for in-flight services, airhostesses, pilots and engineers. Moreover, this facility will enable the airline to save a substantial amount for training.

This flying academy is going to be critical for Air Deccan as it would enable the carrier to cut costs substantially and is all set to acquire 40 Airbus and 38 ATR aircraft in five years and is also innovatively planning to start services for routes such as Nasik-Nagpur, Chandigarh-Jammu, Kolkata-Ranchi, Hyderabad-Rajamundhri, Nagpur-Amritsar, Gwalior-Indore, Bangalore-Bellari, Kolkata-Jamshedpur, Kolkata-Patna and Nagpur-Ahmedabad.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:48 pm

Today the new 319s for 'Indian' arrive in DEL. I am taking a 2PM DN flight to BOM. Will try to locate the aircraft and see how the new scheme looks.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:01 pm

The new aircraft will be near the A320 (now A32X?) maint hangers next to the cargo area at least for the next two three days. That is where the presser will be held. I believe the first plane will be taking Delhi based journos on a joyride later in the day.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
What happened to Pomnath

Last heard he quit.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 25):
Today the new 319s for 'Indian' arrive in DEL. I am taking a 2PM DN flight to BOM. Will try to locate the aircraft and see how the new scheme looks.

Guru smsd about the Aircraft.Says it looks good.


Quoting Cricket (Reply 26):
I believe the first plane will be taking Delhi based journos on a joyride later in the day.

After B772LR,what about A319  
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 27):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
What happened to Pomnath

Last heard he quit.

Quit A.net? Why? I enjoyed his posts even though didn't agree with everything he said.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:12 am

Kinghisher to build a hub in Guwahati by basing five ATRs there. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1322866.cms

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The airline had signed a $350 million deal for 20 ATRs, which it would deploy on secondary routes. Kingfisher will set up a separate North-Eastern hub located at Guwahati with five of its new ATRs, and while an equal number would be deployed in South, North and Western regions.

"For the first time, I am going to build an aviation hub for North-Eastern region, which is still untapped," he said
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:18 am

Update on Kingfisher bid for Sahara. Link:
http://www.financialexpress.com/late...t_full_story.php?content_id=110840

Excerpts:
Mallya said it was difficult for him to comment on the exact status or the percentage of stake that he was going to pick up, but confirmed that he was not interested in just becoming a ‘financial investor’ in the beleaguered airline.

Leading private carrier Jet Airways is also believed to be interested in Air Sahara offer, along with budget carrier Spicejet.

Vijay Mallya-promoted Kingfisher Airlines has gained six per cent market share in domestic civil aviation sector, since launching operations six months. According to industry analysts, a majority stake in Air Sahara would give Mallya’s Kingfisher a presence on international routes. Under the existing norms, private airlines have to operate on domestic routes for at least five years before being allowed to fly to international destinations.

Moreover, it will provide kingfisher readymade infrastructure network, including additional landing slots at airports which Air Sahara presently enjoys.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:55 am

Kingfisher wins best new airline award

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NEW DELHI: India's private domestic carrier Kingfisher Airlines has been declared Best New Airline of the Year for the Asia-Pacific and Middle East by the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA).

The award was presented to Kingfisher Airlines chairman Vijay Mallya at a function in Kuala Lumpur on the sidelines of the second annual Asia Pacific and Middle East Aviation Outlook Summit 2006, a company statement said. ...

Good show!!
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:45 am

Any idea how the plans for the new Mumbai airport are coming along - The airport was supposed to be near Panvel - remember seeing signs that said the site was reserved for the bombay (mumbai) airport ..... anyone based in Bombay have a update on that ???

Thanks
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:59 pm

Quoting Desh (Reply 32):
Any idea how the plans for the new Mumbai airport are coming along

The Sign is in Place  Smile
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:35 pm

GMR and Reliance group are the only two bidders left after technical evaluations of the bids for Bombay and Delhi airports. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1323354.cms

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The government has decided to go ahead and evaluate the financial bids for the modernisation of Delhi and Mumbai airports with only two players —GMR-Fraport combine and the Reliance-ASA — left in the fray
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:39 pm

Update on Kingfisher bid for Air Sahara. Link:
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=110918

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Kingfisher Airlines Ltd, a six-month old carrier formed by India’s biggest brewery, said it’s valuing the country’s third-largest domestic airline Sahara Airlines Ltd at 53% less than the floor price recommended by an adviser.Kingfisher has proposed to buy Sahara, which runs New Delhi-based Air Sahara, for about $400 million, compared with Ernst & Young LLP’s valuation of between $750 million and $1 billion, said Kingfisher chairman Vijay Mallya.

Sahara’s profit margin may not exceed the 2% recorded in the year ended March, as increasing competition among four new carriers in the country crimped earnings, the airline’s president Ronojoy Dutta said in May
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:25 am

Jet Airways related news. Jet to fly to Singapore from Delhi and Bangalore starting in June 2006. Link:
http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/051208/15/3x4ee.html

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We should be starting flights between Delhi and Singapore and flights between Bangalore and Singapore should start after that," Executive Director Saroj K. Datta said at a briefing in Singapore.
Jet Airways, India's biggest domestic airline by marketshare, started flights between Chennai and Singapore Wednesday, marking the carrier's second Singapore route after it began flights from Mumbai to the city-state in April.

The airline expects to break even on the Mumbai-Singapore and Chennai-Singapore routes within a year of operations, Datta said. Jet Airways currently fills about 72%-73% of its passenger capacity on its Mumbai-Singapore flights.

Comments: 72% load factor seems low given that Jet flies a 737-800 on BOM-SIN route. Doesn't SQ fly a 747?
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:33 am

Jet airways projects US$ 3 billion revenue by 2010. Link:
http://sify.com/finance/equity/fullstory.php?id=14043394

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Jet Airways aims to become a $ 3 billion revenue company through organic expansion and make $2.5 billion capital investment by 2010, its top officials told a press conference in Singapore today.
The company is expected to invest $2.5 billion for acquiring 38 new planes as part of its domestic and regional expansion, said its Chief Operating Officer, Peter Luethi, who arrived in Singapore on the inaugural Chennai-Singapore flight yesterday.

Route Expansion:
He said Jet Airways aims to double flight destinations to the United Kingdom from the present two, and would expand its destinations in Europe to Brussels, Germany and France, as well as the Americas.

Comments:
ATQ must be top on their list for UK. Perhaps MAA or BLR will be second on their list.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:16 am

Praful Patel best aviation minister in Asia-Pacific. Link:
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=110882

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The Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (Capa) has given the ‘Aviation Minister of the Year’ award to the Indian civil aviation minister Praful Patel. Beijing’s international airport has got the airport of the year award. Low-cost airline of the year was Jetstar; new airline of the year award was given to Kingfisher Airlines and the turnaround airline of the year went to All Nippon Airways.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:23 am

Kolkata to Frankfurt direct flight soon on Lufthansa. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1324907.cms

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A direct flight linking Kolkata to Frankfurt in Germany will become operational soon and the city will also have a similar service linking it to New York, Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharya said on Thursday.

"We had talks with Lufthansa and (the flight has been agreed on). Kolkata and Frankfurt will soon be linked by a direct flight," Bhattacharya said.
"The Americans also want to start a flight to Kolkata. They will either introduce a direct flight to Kolkata or it will be a Kolkata-Mumbai-New York flight," he said.

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:13 am

Interesting aviation traffic figures for India. Link:
http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200512/edge02.shtml


Aircraft movements Passenger movements
(in millions)
Intl. Domestic Total Intl. Domestic Total
2001-02 1,07,824 4,02,108 5,09,932 13.62 26.36 39.98
2002-03 1,16,442 4,44,208 5,60,650 14.82 28.9 43.72
2003-04 1,32,934 5,06,042 6,38,976 16.62 32.08 48.7
2004-05 1,58,191 5,71,827 7,30,018 19.45 40.09 59.54
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:32 am

LAXDESI,

I'm on a day trip to LA and have to make it to LAX from Mission Viejo - how long a drive is this during the evening rush hour?

Thanks
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 36):
omments: 72% load factor seems low given that Jet flies a 737-800 on BOM-SIN route. Doesn't SQ fly a 747?

Well, 9W does not have the connection possibilities that SQ does (loads of pax connecting to onwards China/OZ/US destinations). The other point is that 9W may not have the X-factor that SQ does (PTVs, wide-bodies etc.).

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 39):
Kolkata to Frankfurt direct flight soon on Lufthansa

Wow - LH is sure expanding. I'm sure they'll manage to corner the market with their excellent connections from hub FRA. Does anyone know the initial frequencies and timings? I'm guessing it'll be operated with the 343 - LH's a/c of choice for non-747 stations in India.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:52 pm

Quoting Comorin (Reply 41):
I'm on a day trip to LA and have to make it to LAX from Mission Viejo - how long a drive is this during the evening rush hour?

Plan on about 1.5 hour between 4-7 pm block.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:11 pm

This is a surprise. Air Italy starts once a week flight from Amritsar to Verona, Italy on a 757. Link:
http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200512/market10.shtml

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Air Italy has launched its North India operations from Amritsar to Verona, Italy, from November 30. The Boeing 757 with a capacity of 220 seats will fly every Wednesday.


According to Ambarish Ullal, operational manager, Lago Tourist SRL, which is a sub-agent of New World SRL, which holds a contract with Air Italy for its entire seat capacity in this segment, "I am currently working on package deals for Indians coming to Italy. These would be all inclusive packages and with tourism promotion efforts in both countries, we should achieve good load factors."

The Verona to Amritsar (round trip) would be priced at 700 Euros and Amritsar to Verona would cost about 500 Euros. "While Air Italy is a full service carrier, it is more affordable than other European carriers. So far, the North Indian community in Italy had no direct flight options as a result of which it would take them over 24 hours to come to India. It will now take them seven," said Ullal.

"Italians love India, the culture, and the alternative healing therapies. Furthermore, the fare is virtually half that of other European full service carriers that sell a round trip at 1500 Euros," said Ullal.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:17 pm

Air India Express targets domestic services. Link:
http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200512/market18.shtml

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"When we envisaged this airline, we decided that it would fly to the Middle East and SE Asia. The board of directors also decided that following this, domestic operations will then become a priority. There are also some fundamental reasons for this. Air India Express will help us create a hub-and-spoke model thereby reducing our interline dependency and give more access to passengers from satellite cities to long haul destinations. Tapping the growth of domestic traffic is also a driving factor," says Thulasidas. The domestic sectors will be determined on the basis of which locations would Air India need a feed from. Some of the domestic trunk routes that Air India has been witnessing high load factors will also be part of the carrier's network.

Thulasidas says he is satisfied with the current load factors which he claims are far higher than the levels AI witnessed on the same routes. Despite fares on Air India Express being 25 per cent lower, the airline has already broken even and made a profit in under a year of operation, having launched in May this year.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:21 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 44):
This is a surprise. Air Italy starts once a week flight from Amritsar to Verona, Italy on a 757.

Big time! But somehow I'm not surprised that everyone wants to tap the expat Surdie population. 500 Euro is around Rs 28000, thats not cheap since you can get to Europe for far cheaper - via Uzbekistan for example. This flight would be around the edge of the 757's range I guess.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:31 pm

Why can't more airlines follow Air Italy model and provide once/twice a week services to smaller cities and relieve overcrowding at BOM and DEL. How about BA twice a week to Amritsar, Ahmedabad, and Pune?
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:48 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 39):
Kolkata to Frankfurt direct flight soon on Lufthansa.

I saw that on the TV last night.

The (more or less) exact statement was "Lufthansa and American Airlines to start direct Kolkotta - New York flights."

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:13 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 39):
A direct flight linking Kolkata to Frankfurt in Germany will become operational soon and the city will also have a similar service linking it to New York, Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharya said on Thursday.

Yet another overambitious CM - Wait for the formal annoucements.
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