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American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:07 pm

Whats with this new AE service into DCA. AA flies about 9 or 10 daily nonstops ORD-DCA. As of the next few weeks American Eagle will fly a few of those flights on CRJ700's. What was the reason for this? IS this AA's decison or whomever operates AE's decison. Oh yea by the way..who does operate American Eagle (transstates?)?? How are th CRJ700's comfortwise? ife? Thanks!
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:12 pm

Quoting ERJ145LR (Thread starter):
Oh yea by the way..who does operate American Eagle (transstates?)??

Negative. American Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR Corp, just like AA is. Trans States operates American Connection, based out of STL.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:47 pm

AA and AE are one and the same. The AMR corp makes these decisions. While they are 2 separate companies, workforces, equipment, etc they compliment the needs of the AMR corporation on the routes they serve.

The surprise here is that AA can no longer support all mainline service on such a high profile route.


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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:51 pm

What's funny to me is that this morning's 8:45 am UA DCA to ORD in an A320 was only about 40% full, while the AA flight DCA to ORD on what I presume was an MD80 that left about 20 minutes earlier was absolutely full.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:54 pm

I am quite surprised that AA is using regional jets albeit nicer ones into DCA. I would think that ORD-DCA would be a higher yielding domestic route and would warrant a first class section. Even if there are many upgraders, I would expect that there would be a lot of demand for first class seats on the MD80s. UA certainly has first class on all of its DCA flights.

On the other hand, the smaller capacity CR7s might be needed for frequency. AA must have a hard time competing with UA and its hourly ORD-DCA flights on mainline airplanes.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:41 pm

Aircraft allocation. They have to tightly use their fleet, so American Eagle is operating a pair of ORD-DCA flights that average low loads so that S80s can be deployed on other flights. American Eagle will also be starting two daily PHL-ORD flights.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:24 pm

Out of ORD, the following cities are shared by American Eagle and mainline AA:

ATL
BNA
BWI
DCA
DTW
IND
MSP
OMA
PHL
RDU
TUL
XNA
YUL
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
American Eagle will also be starting two daily PHL-ORD flights.

In between the US service to ORD, UA service to ORD (on 757s at times), and WN service to MDW... God forbid AMR would just give up a couple crumbs from their little slice of the pie and cut a frequency all together. And we wonder why places like ORD and PHL are the clusterf*cks they are traffic wise.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:13 am

They are doing the same thing in MSP. The currently have 9 daily mainline MSP-ORD non-stops while will become 5 mainline and 4 Eagle in the next schedule change even though TZ has exited the MSP-MDW market and FL is only adding 4. The MSP-CHI market is loosing about a 1000 seats a day.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:20 am

I don't like the idea of operating RJs on routes that carry a lot of business traffic. All it does is get the elite passengers mad, since there are no upgrade opportunities.

I know this runs counter to the business model, but I would try to cut down on the frequency on a route, such as ORD to DCA, PHL, or ATL, so that I have full mainline jets.

My other problem is that RJs have higher CASMs. If AA is running RJs that compete with Southwest, AirTran, etc., the AA is trying to match LCC fares with aircraft that are more expensive to operate.

What this does prove is that, as Gerard Arpey has said before, AA needs a 100-seat airplane. The retirement of the Fokkers is making things difficult at AA, since there is a gap between the 70-seat CRJ and the 136-seat MD-80.

Unfortunately, AA doesn't have the money to spend for planes, and there is no good solution, anyway. The 737-700 is too big. the 737-600 doesn't have the economics to fly shorter routes. And the Embrear 170/190 is another aircraft type, which AA doesn't want.

What is iroinic is that AA won't serve any food on mainline flights from ORD to DCA, PHL, ATL, BNA, etc., but Eagle has "Buy on Board". The 3-hour minimum for AA to have BOB makes no sense, when it shares a route with Eagle.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 9):
Unfortunately, AA doesn't have the money to spend for planes, and there is no good solution, anyway

They actually have more than enough money to be able to order new planes, they are just an extremely fiscally conservative company.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:35 am

MAH4546:

I know that AA has around $3.5 billion in cash and equivalents, but an order for 75 100-seat airplanes would cost between 2.0 and 2.5 billion dollars. When an order for aircraft would deplete about 65% of your cash reserve, you can't afford the aircraft.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 3):
What's funny to me is that this morning's 8:45 am UA DCA to ORD in an A320 was only about 40% full, while the AA flight DCA to ORD on what I presume was an MD80 that left about 20 minutes earlier was absolutely full.

That 20 minutes earlier may have made the difference in arriving for an AA connecting bank and missing a United one.

Just a thought... When I fly United via ORD its always to connect, and my flights from DCA are always packed.

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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
I know that AA has around $3.5 billion in cash and equivalents, but an order for 75 100-seat airplanes would cost between 2.0 and 2.5 billion dollars. When an order for aircraft would deplete about 65% of your cash reserve, you can't afford the aircraft.

That is assuming you are going to pay cash for the airplanes. Tell Northwest and Continental that they can't afford their recent widebody orders and deliveries, despite the fact they have less cash reserves. Even Southwest has less cash reserves than American Airlines. AMR Corp., especially with $3.5B in cash reserves, would easily be able to work out excellent finacing and/or lease rates to acquire more aircraft, but as I mentioned, they are fiscally conservative and rather wait.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
AA has around $3.5 billion in cash and equivalents, but an order for 75 100-seat airplanes would cost between 2.0 and 2.5 billion dollars. When an order for aircraft would deplete about 65% of your cash reserve, you can't afford the aircraft.

Who pays cash when they buy a car or a house? Nobody, you put down some cash, and finance the rest, or lease it. AA would / will do the same thing when the buy aircraft. Why would they pay all cash? Their reserves give them excellent negotiating power to obtain adequate leverage, at reasonable rates, to get new frames - when they decide the time is right.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:23 am

Im sure it will be a temp. I think by summer it will bring back the Super80.

I fly on AA all the time from ORD to either BWI or DCA.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:23 am

This used to be a mostly or exclusively Fokker 100 route, so the part about fewer aircraft is correct. What's interesting is that United recently upgraded one of their flights on the route to a 757.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 9):
I don't like the idea of operating RJs on routes that carry a lot of business traffic. All it does is get the elite passengers mad, since there are no upgrade opportunities.

IIRC UA is putting FC and Economy Plus on some of their newer, larger RJ's (E170 and CR700).

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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:00 pm

they did and they are. i flew an E170 on USX and thought that was nice, but then the E170 on UAX with E+ was even better.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:31 pm

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 6):
Out of ORD, the following cities are shared by American Eagle and mainline AA:

ATL
BNA
BWI
DCA
DTW
IND
MSP
OMA
PHL
RDU
TUL
XNA
YUL

Add CMH to that list. One daily M80 flight CMH-ORD.
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 9):
All it does is get the elite passengers mad, since there are no upgrade opportunities.

Screw the elite passengers!
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:18 am

That's why airlines are having a cash crunch.

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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:52 am

Big Orange:

If you screw the elite passenger, who is flying 25,000 to 100,000 miles a year, he will go to another airline. That could be a significant loss of revenue. If the elite flyer happens to have a lot of say in his company's air travel contract, that could mean the loss of thousands of trips and millions of dollars in revenue.

Supposedly, AA has picked up a number of elite flyers from UA, because they fly Ted routes for business.
 
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RE: American Eagle DCA-ORD!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting AA7573E (Reply 14):
Who pays cash when they buy a car or a house? Nobody,

A lot more people than you probably think. Higher-end car dealers typically see about 30-50% of their sales in cash. And there are a lot of wealthy home buyers without mortgages, who often also buy homes outright for their kids when they get married.